Kind of bothers me that he counters an entire pool of champions. Not only that, statistically he has 2 counters for mid lane that are actual mid laners. And its more of a 49% wr which is hardly a counter. Then the other "counters" are fucking bruisers like ??????????????? Riot games ?? But no no, god forbid they touch him, but nerf liss and other champions. Jesus fuck this game makes me so frustrated
GaleWonder49 votesyeah kassadin needs to be nerfed, preferably by -5 movementspeed
Z3Sleeper6 votesI think that would really gut his mobility. Would probably lower his winrate by 1.5% and make him unplayable and then make him immune to further nerfs.
Chewedon4 votesThat's a reference to Irelia nerf am I right? :D
Original Sin2 votesyeah kassadin needs to be nerfed, preferably by -5 movementspeed
nah man -0.25 cd on his ultimate. OR even better, -3ap
rtbf755493552 votesMaybe 5 dmg off his first item
Prometheus5961 votesWait, are you serious, wow... No offense, but that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can't just nerf an item because it makes a certain champion op. That could gut other champions that use that item. Unless the item is completely op for multiple champions, IE 
you should NEVER nerf it, because of the adverse effects it can have on other champions.
rtbf755493551 votesIts a meme, do you honestly think 5 damage makes a difference [zombie-brand-facepalm] guess you weren't around when riot Nerfd Warrior enchantment with 5 damage
Prometheus5961 votesI know its a fucking meme, but still, when people mention stuff like that it scares me, sometimes I think Riot might be actually listening to our shit.
hewhodoesnotcare1 votesWait, are you serious, wow... No offense, but that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can't just nerf an item because it makes a certain champion op. That could gut other champions that use that item. Unless the item is completely op for multiple champions, IE
riot did that with the jungle cuz of funneling and soon nerfing xp again
Prometheus5961 votesYeah and it was bad then and bad now, sure funneling was annoying, but it was such a unique and cool strategy. What ever happened to the Riot Games that said they didn't want to force a meta.
Noor Sakata6 votesLaning with him is no longer an issue , thatguy brings fleet and tp , sustains forever, at level 7 or 8 , you can't even trade with him , he will win all trades
My only hope against him i Talon , every Kassadin player bans him , and if he doesn't ? I can pick Talon into him but guess what , he survives on 10% then presses R to run
Hayaishi26 votesKassadin should be gutted into the ground while he awaits a rework.
Poske1 votesKassadin should be gutted into the ground while he awaits a rework.
Fun fact Riot always breaks Kassadin by the end of season because there are bunch of Kassadin mains in balance team (Around 4-5) Blatant favorism and the only way some Rioters which balance a game can reach high elo is breaking Kassadin then abusing him
Kassadin was on a strong side even before a buff...
However Lissandra is quite problematic, She is better assassin then Ahri and Le blanc (Zoe can prob compete after last buff) are while not being tehnicly classified as an assasin on top of having good lockdown and CC.
Z3Sleeper5 votesThey kept buffing him and buffing him until surviving lane was no longer an issue and his late game was so buffed he no longer needed to rely at all on an offensive rune/item build and could itemize into more defensive options while still being a hypercarry assassin.
Queue the Fleet Footwork, Ravenous Hunter, Taste of Blood Kassadin.
AmWhaleIRL4 votesYeah Kass Laning Phase is actually SO damned easy right now. Picked him up for a bit and got 2 Penta Kills across 3 Games after having the easiest Laning Phase.
Bisaknosp3 votesno idea why they even buffed him several times in a row when it wasnt needed at all champ is busted just like talon and ekko
Prometheus5961 votesneither of those champions are busted, there is a reason that they aren't pick in competitive, if they were op, they would be picked.
LeftyRaydy2 votesTalon and Ekko are busted you say....... I am an Ekko OTP and (plat 2) and I have a whopping 54% WR. One of the best Ekko's in the World Pokeball (reached challenger) has about a 54% wR. That is pretty balanced for a champion who has about a 50% WR overall. How do you think Ekko is busted I would love to hear this.
MLDzXnRRR3 votesThe problem is in the runes. Kassadin still deals way less damage than any other AP or AD assassin, and his mobility is in the range of a flash, not across the whole screen like it used to be. Let's get him nerfed, Ok, people will just start picking the next best assassin midlaner - whether it will be LB, Talon, Zed, Fizz, Diana, Yasuo, Irelia whatever... You will always have a reason to complain about something. The thing about Kassa is that he can't do much in terms of any outplay - the best combo is to retreat, then go-in again, killing the target, but this is a mindgame, not something in terms of champion mechanics.
LeftyRaydy1 votesThis is wrong. I know the only time I can vs Kassa is Early laning phase, because before he even gets a lot of AP his base damage and damage he gets from having Mana is absolutely disgusting.
Succubús GF2 votesHis full rotation is easily at the level of assassins like kat or ahri. He also counters all aps. You are just wrong and the fact that you even dismissed it sucks
MLDzXnRRR1 votes[{quoted}](name=Toki Lily,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79GJEEGQ,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2018-11-13T07:29:18.044+0000)
His full rotation is easily at the level of assassins like kat or ahri. He also counters all aps. You are just wrong and the fact that you even dismissed it sucks
It's not hard to do the math, if you want to talk. He requires very big mana pool to do big dmg with stacked R and needs E charged. Ahri is not an assassin - she was years ago, before kit changes and when DFG was in the game. Kata - easily outdamages most champions in the game (or at least it used to, I'm not sure after the balance changes in recent years - she may be even higher in the list that consisted of Viktor, AP Ezrael, Fiddle, Nunu and similar ), if can freely channel her R.
Succubús GF2 votesIt's not hard to do the math, if you want to talk. He requires very big mana pool to do big dmg with stacked R and needs E charged. Go ahead and do the mathe of kat's FULL rotation in comparison to kassadin's full rotation at lv 16.
Ahri is not an assassin - she was years ago, before kit changes and when DFG was in the game. She is an assassin mage hybrid, but still an assassin so you are just wrong
I feel like you are just trolling honestly but like you are REALLY wrong here. Feel free to look up stats too
Sergeant HbA1c1 votesThe problem is in the runes. Kassadin still deals way less damage than any other AP or AD assassin, and his mobility is in the range of a flash, not across the whole screen like it used to be. Let's get him nerfed, Ok, people will just start picking the next best assassin midlaner - whether it will be LB, Talon, Zed, Fizz, Diana, Yasuo, Irelia whatever... You will always have a reason to complain about something. The thing about Kassa is that he can't do much in terms of any outplay - the best combo is to retreat, then go-in again, killing the target, but this is a mindgame, not something in terms of champion mechanics.
A Kassadin did 1k+ damage to a tank in one of my games while they built MR. And he didn't have a pen item. Something is screwy if he doesn't need to even use more than one ability.
Seleena2 votesI actually thought his laning phase is supposed to be weak, while yes it may not be as strong as certain other champs it's not a bad laning phase for such an annoying mid to late game champion.
MrDrBudd2 votesHe just kept getting random buffs every so often from out of no where last year and I knew it would come to this.
Prometheus5961 votesdude, he's gotten like one buff, get over it.
MrDrBudd1 votesLook up his patch history since last year and you'll realize how wrong your comment is.
Dr Dog2 votesnext patch be like, now his w costs TWO mana, think hes fine for another year
Illabethe1 votesTry playing Leona vs him and Laugh when you can isolate him and prevent the run with clutch roots.
Shrîke1 votesOnce he reaches late game it feels like theres nothing you can do :/
Prometheus5962 votesThat's what he is designed to do, he is designed to scale. If you don't like that then I assume you want, Riot to nerf every hypercarry in the game as well, right?
Sergeant HbA1c1 votesThat's what he is designed to do, he is designed to scale. If you don't like that then I assume you want, Riot to nerf every hypercarry in the game as well, right?
Scaling champions are meant to have a pathetic early game. Look at any Plat+ game and kass is pick/ban tier because of his insane output for little to no input.
very dudebag1 voteswe can
Eranell1 votesI think they have a nerf for Fleet Footwork planed right now to lower the AP scaling so at least some of his sustain should go down.
Mael Jade1 votesPlease, he only got 13 buffs in a row since patch 7.7 (12 ignoring the increased mr/lvl that came with runes reforged) and a single micro-nerf, making his Q draw minion aggro. Every single ap ratio and base damage has been changed by now while FF +the sustain runes from domination are giving him a free laning phase and transition into late game...why should Riot nerf him?
It wasnt me dude1 votesI thought you were going to complain about the fact how when he hits level 16, he can teleport like every 1 second lol I'm disappointed
Fear the Kayn1 votesHe's rather weak until later in the game, unlike 
or 
which are strong but fall off late. The ultimate counter to Kassadin is closing out the game before it reaches late game.
NuggetMilk1 votesdoesn't he fall off eventually?
(I mean like the fleet footwork/domination build)
Sergeant HbA1c1 votesdoesn't he fall off eventually?
(I mean like the fleet footwork/domination build)
No he doesn't. He literally just builds pure AP with the occasional RoA. Other times he's "just a squishy" assassin that can 100-0 you in three hits. Three hits, mind you, that occur within .1 seconds of each other.
Look at all that counterplay.