71% win rate on 101 ADC Mordekaiser games, ask me anything about ADC Mordekaiser

Ahristocats·Aug 3, 2017·29 votes·3,871 views

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Hi, i am Rubick Sama, a mere league of legends player that also happened to main mordekaiser in the botlane i noticed that Mordekaiser especially in the ADC role is one of the least played champion, so i decided to make this thread to answer to all the questions i'm able to answer, to help people to pick him up and play him especially adc mains, yes adc mains the one who taught me how to play adc mordekaiser was My Final Hour a master tier adc mordekaiser player that also happens to be a dedicated vayne+lucian+other adc main.

i will also post some videos to give people some idea on how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s22IrzLbqDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QDoE5pq1dg

i invite other ADC Mordekaiser mains like Malicious Metal to answer to questions if they feel like, adding more experience to help people is always welcomed

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137 Comments

NyarlathοtepAug 3, 201712 votes

Why should i even consider picking morde adc(apart from whether i like him or not ofc). I mean as far as my experience tells me i could pick, for example jinx, and have poke, hard cc, be very strong at teamfights, become a lot harder to kill thx to lifesteal and being by nature ranged, she has way easier laning phase.

By experience ofc im talking about the last post you posted about morde adc(the post with the morde that you only push bot). Me and one of my friends we tried it out, and it was surprising effective. But it still begs the question, why?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20178 votes

no idea who downvoted you, this is a good question and i'm going to answer

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Why should i even consider picking morde adc(apart from whether i like him or not ofc)

in this meta you have a lot of engages, not only tanks are meta but divers too like j4 camille or kled, this means as a mordekaiser player you get to have engage in your team however if you play him top you won't have kled or camille in your team for instance

now moving on to why playing MORDEKAISER, dude is a counter to assassins and divers. and there are a ton of them in this meta especially with lethality

so if enemy has zed, mordekaiser will be logically a better pick than jhin who's immobile and squishy

second niche, mordekaiser enables divers mordekaiser W deals a lot of burst damage, so if you have vi or pantheon in your team, they can go in with your W, you do it again bursting a squishy target with their damage

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I mean as far as my experience tells me i could pick, for example jinx, and have poke, hard cc, be very strong at teamfights, become a lot harder to kill thx to lifesteal and being by nature ranged, she has way easier laning phase.

jinx laning phase actually isn't easier, if you put her against caitlyn she will struggle however if you put morde against caitlyn, with the right support (blitz and not janna for instance) he won't struggle at all, except at lvl 1 and 2

and jinx doesn't get to heal allies, yes people often forget this about mordekaiser heal, but if your support is brand or zyra for instance, you won't have enough sustain against caitlyn, while mordekaiser can heal him AND his support on monsters or minions no adc can bring sustain in a lane to his sup except mordekaiser

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By experience ofc im talking about the last post you posted about morde adc(the post with the morde that you only push bot). Me and one of my friends we tried it out, and it was surprising effective. But it still begs the question, why?

hope it helped

HeresyHorusAug 3, 20172 votes

dude is a counter to assassins and divers. and there are a ton of them in this meta especially with lethality

Not true, Mordekaiser is much more vulnerable to Assassins ( especially AD ones with item 3812 item 3156 ) than any ADC is cuz Assassins with their mobility can easily dance around ur Q and W ( Counterplay ) and ur autos do 0 damage after that cuz u are AP but they cant do the same against ADCs autos and get stat checked by their Damage and Lifesteal ( item 3046 combo make the stat check impossible to win unless the Assassin is way far ahead ).

Just look how u died in both 7:50 and 9:30 ... it clearly shows how pathetic a melee champ with no mobility and range can be if he is an AP champ like Mordekaiser , and while Darius is too similar to him he dont suffer like this cuz he is AD so he have natural scaling damage and can take lethality + AS runes and do damage while being tanky, a thing cant do with his short timed Q and being AP.

i really want Riot to change him to AD if they dont want to rework him or at least buff and fix his over 9000 bugs at least.

AhristocatsAug 3, 20176 votes

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Just look how u died in both 7:50 and 9:30 ...

i died because my support didn't have cc anymore, and enemy was a ranged champion, i also died because i got ganked i also didn't die from burst, but from dps idk why you're bringing this up?

once i get in teamfight i can't die to an assassin, i have R and W heal, exhaust, 3k hp and shield

also, morde doesn't need 3 Q to kill an assassin R+E+W+gunblade is enough with maybe one Q and that takes a second

VeryMediocreSuppAug 3, 20175 votes

This is probably a more subjective question, but what is your favourite support, if you have one? Besides blitz :P

AhristocatsAug 3, 20177 votes

Leona

safest lvl 1-lvl 3, because she can W taking less damage from poke, damaging minions with bonus armor and mr, morde uses W triggers her passive on minions and heals her

pushing the wave everytime and getting lvl 3 safely

TyrekGoldenspearAug 3, 20173 votes

Does ADC Morde know of the tragedy?

verysaltAug 3, 20172 votes

Nice man, I love OTP players :)

Malicious MetalAug 3, 201710 votes

I wouldn't call Rubick an OTP.

That guy can do well with almost anything, except maybe Sion.

Jeanne fan clubAug 3, 20172 votes

Is moredekaiser bot an early game pick where you need to take risks to be useful, or is it more of a late game pick where it doesn't matter if you get kills early, you just need items to carry.

I can't really tell to be honest, it really seems like it would be both considering an early dragon would probably mean you would get first tower easy, but he also has super good scalings for late game which throws me off a bit.

Oh, and if you could direct me to what runes/masteries you use that would be great

AhristocatsAug 3, 20174 votes

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Is moredekaiser bot an early game pick where you need to take risks to be useful, or is it more of a late game pick where it doesn't matter if you get kills early, you just need items to carry.

he's an early/mid game pick, spikes into mid game

falls off in late game like a caster ie: Lucian,jhin EXCEPT if he gets a late game clone

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but he also has super good scalings for late game which throws me off a bit.

he does, however to balance him he has poor base stats making him needing to buy defensive items, so he can't go full ap like a marksmen and use his amazing scalings

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Oh, and if you could direct me to what runes/masteries you use that would be great

Deathfire touch is a must honestly, at least according to My Final Hour and i played with it during all those games, it's really good in lane it increases your poke, and your all in in teamfights, your ult deals too much with it, and you can lifesteal from it with gunblade

some people play him toplane with stormraider, but that's because you don't have a support i think in the adc you have to take dft

For runes, if i have blitzcrank/leona i take heavy ap runes if i have something safer like rakan i go for full armor runes+scaling cdr to bet everything on migame

Report for WujuAug 3, 20172 votes

What do you ban when you play morde ADC ?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20175 votes

Tristana 100% ban, i recommand everyone who wants to play adc morde to permaban her first she's strong now if not overpowered, her statistics are beast

second, she has a strong poke, strong scaling, and her ult in both teamfight and laning phase can screw you, without talking about her long range jump that also cancel hooks

really needs to ban her

Report for WujuAug 3, 20171 votes

Thanks And if I'm premade with my supp, who should i tell him to ban ?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20172 votes

oh, that could be a lot of things braum, tahm kench, kalista, cait, morgana

all ban potential however they're only minor problem that can be dealt with

PennsAug 3, 20175 votes

i recommand everyone ~~who wants to play adc morde ~~to permaban her

ftfy

hehe

Imperial JapanAug 4, 20171 votes

How about Twitch? It seems as though he'd do the same thing (and opinions on Draven?)

AhristocatsAug 4, 20171 votes

immobile adcs, rather easy to burst if you have an engage support, it's harder to engage tristana she can cancel hooks and her ult can ruin your teamfight

Imperial JapanAug 4, 20171 votes

Ah right

Jinzo TorranceAug 3, 20172 votes

71% on 101 games, with most of them played with a duo support, yeah?

Pumping IronAug 3, 20172 votes

One single question. What should i do if my enemies are not braindead and they know how to play against me?

Kingdom CornAug 3, 20171 votes

What makes a melee champion good in the bot lane? Isnt playing him hard since you are possibly are going to go against 2 ranged champions so it will be hard to poke them? also you have low movement speed so how do u avoid ganks? :D

Malicious MetalAug 3, 20174 votes

Ganks are basically free triple kills for Mordekaiser. If he plays it right he can easily 2v3 from level 3 onward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgunzK4FMVU&lc=z13ohrwzevi0t1qyp04cifnj3zj5cjug10s

AhristocatsAug 3, 20174 votes

i think i'm able to answer to this question, as i was an ADC Darius main before his nerfs, and a dedicated Dota2 player

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What makes a melee champion good in the bot lane?

First, think about teamfights. You're going to face tanks in teamfight your team expects you to kill them as it's your primary role Darius for instance has Armor pen, huge ad steroid, and true damage nuke Mordekaiser has huge damage+ his ult deals 50% max hp damage in late game

Second, you need to survive against ranged champions League's marksmen are the strongest champions in 2v2 because they have one of the strongest poke, because this poke is avaible at level 1, and because in 2v2 you will reach lvl 3 after a year which means if you get poked too hard before lvl 3, you won't have enough hp anymore to fight

Darius was strong in the adc role (in high elo, i think he's still viable below ~~diamond 2 in the adc role) because he could fight them at lvl 2, and his 2v2 was unmatched by any adc as he healed on 2 champions with Q

Mordekaiser on the other hand, has shield, ranged spell to farm, and sustain, all of this makes him able to survive until lvl 3 where he can start to destroy people

Third, i would like to add that sieging power can be brought by any ranged champion i like to have orianna in my team for instance, her sieging is really strong

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Isnt playing him hard since you are possibly are going to go against 2 ranged champions so it will be hard to poke them?

what is hard is surviving until lvl 3, afterwards you don't poke them but you kill them

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also you have low movement speed so how do u avoid ganks? :D

W gives you bonus movement speed if cast on an ally that is nearby, so unlike toplane you can cast it on your support and get the fuck out you also can 2v3 in a lot of situations

Warlord RhinarkAug 3, 20171 votes

Why?

Burnt Iron KingAug 3, 20172 votes

For the glory of Satan of course!

RankOneUgandaAug 3, 20171 votes

thats your smurf account. what's to be proud at?

AhristocatsAug 3, 201711 votes

i'm afraid i'm not understanding you

how can a smurf be in diamond 1 with over 500 ranked games and be playing since season 1?

TyrekGoldenspearAug 3, 20177 votes

He's actually saying you are masters with a diamond smurf.

It's a compliment.

masterdomloAug 3, 20171 votes

would ppl in lower elo flame u for even trying?? (im s3-2, jumping to and fro)

AhristocatsAug 3, 20173 votes

people would flame you in all elos

people even banned my morde, until i had like 30 or 40 games with 80% win rate, to convince them that i'm good with it i linked them my op.gg and they let me playing him

now, i don't even need to they check by myself and let me playing it without saying anything

Very Hard EngageAug 3, 20171 votes

how many of those games were in the bronze-silver tier?

what do you do when the enemy team actually has a viable comp and you have no reasonable means of running straight at the enemy?

how do you handle being kited by an ahri?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20179 votes

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how many of those games were in the bronze-silver tier?

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what do you do when the enemy team actually has a viable comp and you have no reasonable means of running straight at the enemy?

you pick them off 1 by 1 with blitz/leona and kill them, it's solo queue after all

if your team has no tank, or no cc, then it's going to be hard tbh, but every champion has their weaknesses

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how do you handle being kited by an ahri?

she can't kite if she's cc'ed

Very Hard EngageAug 3, 20172 votes

so you're basically helpless in tons of 1v1s and need a decent support to make your choice viable, gotcha.

AhristocatsAug 3, 20174 votes

yes, that's like being

an adc...

MechakaiserAug 3, 20171 votes

Mordekaiser main here, I mostly play him in toplane. Many questions regarding the ADC playstyle, for context, I play in low Plat/high Gold:

-Have you tried Doran's shield start? I have heard that it can be better than relic shield, specially vs poke supports.

-When do you try to take dragon? Is it worth to try some sneaky drake, or do you only go for it if you have killed someone?

-Why no stormraiders? I always take DFT in toplane, but the few times I played as ADC I felt that I had enough damage without it, and prefered to take stormraiders.

-What are your thoughts on Morgana support? I have tried it with some friends and we had good results. The shield is nuts on Mordekaiser, her 3rd lv Q gives plenty of time to burst a squishy, and the all in with Morgana's R + your W is very strong in 2v2s or 2v3 ganks.

-This is important, when do you generally ger boots? After your Rylai's? Also, do you always rush Rylai's, or is Lyandrie's viable?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20173 votes

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-Have you tried Doran's shield start? I have heard that it can be better than relic shield, specially vs poke supports.

was good before nerf, now it's meh imo dark seal is strong to snowball, and it increases healing from potions

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-When do you try to take dragon? Is it worth to try some sneaky drake, or do you only go for it if you have killed someone?

i do it with my sup if i have the clone of an adc, i do it if i'm 6 and they don't have a ward with my jungler

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-Why no stormraiders? I always take DFT in toplane, but the few times I played as ADC I felt that I had enough damage without it, and prefered to take stormraiders.

you have a support to cc them, so you kinda don't need it, it also increases your poke you can try, but from my experience and the experience of my final hour it's better tbh

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-What are your thoughts on Morgana support? I have tried it with some friends and we had good results. The shield is nuts on Mordekaiser, her 3rd lv Q gives plenty of time to burst a squishy, and the all in with Morgana's R + your W is very strong in 2v2s or 2v3 ganks.

strong after laning phase in lane it doesn't have a lot of presence really, i tried it indeed

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-This is important, when do you generally ger boots? After your Rylai's? Also, do you always rush Rylai's, or is Lyandrie's viable?

yes, after rylai

MechakaiserAug 3, 20171 votes

Thanks for the rapid response!

AhristocatsAug 3, 20173 votes

i also didn't answer to you about liandry i generally do not build it because i need trinity force bonus ms to rotate faster in high elo

i build liandry after sterak if they don't have a lot of mr to make use of the flat mr pen i build it after void staff if they have a lot of health if not, i finish my build with gunblade

you need void staff in any situations anyway

but you're not forced to build trinity force if you don't need to rotate in lower elo

DunkinNoobsAug 3, 20171 votes

Why are you trolling your teams by picking adc Morde?

Kappa.

On another note, do you get blamed every time your team loses? I know I sure do when I play adc Morde.

AhristocatsAug 3, 20172 votes

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On another note, do you get blamed every time your team loses? I know I sure do when I play adc Morde.

wow, i see that a lot of people are concerned about this not anymore as i said at first yes i did, then when i got a lot of games with an insane win rate they didn't say anything anymore

WofyeAug 3, 20171 votes

When I see a Mordekaiser bot with me, do I have to warp my champion pool just for him? I'm a Soraka main, who also plays Sona and Janna as my backup (And I don't duo either), but I don't really care what kind of ADC I get.

So is it a problem for a Morde main to be placed with me?

I honestly dislike any player (Kalista mains, this mostly goes for you) who have strong preferences and definitely let you know they dislike you for your pick the instant you take it. Especially when they que up for a duo lane by themselves instead of getting a duo partner.

AhristocatsAug 3, 20173 votes

i mean if i'm the mordekaiser player i will let you pick anything and try to do my best but if you want to adapt to mordekaiser, then a tank or a ranged mage is the best

basically anything with kill pressure it's hard to kill someone with janna/soraka, you can do it with sona but only after lvl 6

notice me Sin piAug 3, 20171 votes

im a support main, and if i see an ally playing ADC mordekaiser, which support would u recommend when:

against mobility comp
against squishies
against multiple tanks
playing with poke-comp allys
etcetra

or is there a single champ that goes very well with morde all the time?

AhristocatsAug 3, 20172 votes

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against mobility comp

Alistar

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against squishies

leona/blitz

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against multiple tanks

trundle but his playstyle bot is special sooooooo, anyone no real special picks

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playing with poke-comp allys

Taric

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or is there a single champ that goes very well with morde all the time?

blitz and leona tbh, no real bad match ups EXCEPT some rare combinations of adc+sup

notice me Sin piAug 3, 20171 votes

what would be something that u wish ur support understood about mordekaiser but rarely happens?

I would highly prefer answers from a S3~P3 than a D1 morde main tho, as supports in diamond1 are infinitely better than me and therefore a D1 answer would be close to irrelevant for me, but an answer regarding D1 supports is better than no answer at all

AhristocatsAug 3, 20173 votes

i can heal them on krugs for free, everytime i ping my alistar to go on krugs he wastes mana on them while i just want a heal

IcyPepperAug 4, 20171 votes

how is it ADC Mord if you aren't building like an ADC tho