"Final Hour (R) grants 25 range"
welp, i do think that vayne needs buff. But removing a weakness of a champion is really not the way to go.
she is going to have mobility, self-peel, high damage, and now decent range.
Critmaster Garen7 voteswhy does she need a buff? does she really need to get back to 50% play rate? its just been a couple of month. shes nowhere near weak.
shes just not picked a lot right now because she loses lane matchups, but still carries like she always did by lategame. why does vaynes lategame of all things need buffs?
why does this champion even still exist in her state? part of the reason she is such a strong solo/dyn que carry is because not a single ability in her kit has counterplay. every ability she has is either a static stat boost, passive or mobility tool. even her e is a direct targeted disengage that you cant outplay.
Ahristocats4 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6qsMr9X0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-14T00:31:27.905+0000)
every ability she has is either a static stat boost, passive or mobility tool. even her e is a direct targeted disengage that you cant outplay.
i find it funny when vayne is strong, because your m8 tell you "don't feed vayne",
well good luck not feeding a champ that runes faster than rammus while moving towards you.
Critmaster Garen3 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6qsMr9X0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-07-14T00:38:58.422+0000)
every ability she has is either a static stat boost, passive or mobility tool. even her e is a direct targeted disengage that you cant outplay.
i find it funny when vayne is strong, because your m8 tell you "don't feed vayne",
well good luck not feeding a champ that runes faster than rammus while moving towards you.
this is another issue i have with her. the intended counterplay to 3 hit mechanics is to step out of range and force your opponent to switch targets, to deny the third proc.
but in vaynes case this is a false choice - something that usually goes strictly against riots design philosophy. if you try to move out of vaynes auto range you immediately trigger her passive and grant her mobility, effectively giving her free damage, as shes ripping you a new one in your futile attempt to run away from her to deny that third hit.
for some reason vayne deals the highest amount of true damage of every champion with barely any condition attached and 0 counterplay to her kit.
PiVoRx4 votesThat feeling when you think champion needs nerfs.. but Riot prepares buffs instead.
Dominick Destine2 votesThat feeling when you think champion needs nerfs.. but Riot prepares buffs instead.
+1
VivaLaKitten4 votesthe last thing Vayne needs is a buff
EndlessSorcerer3 votesVayne has "low range" because she can't affect anything outside of her autoattack range (unlike almost every other ADC).
While the buff to her AA-range isn't really necessary, it doesn't change the fact that she would still have low effective range.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesit doesn't change the fact that she would still have low effective range.
then why riot is doing it?
kek
ACENOX2 votes
show me, show me her low range now with this buff.
67chrome1 votesStill: being able to out-range a wide range of champions with her auto-attacks that were previously on even ground is kind of a big deal.
I've found it's also useful to think of attack range more as an Area rather than Radius. Seemingly minor differences like 550 vs. 650 are worlds apart when looking at Vayne and Caitlyn after all.
Defended4 votesStill: being able to out-range a wide range of champions with her auto-attacks that were previously on even ground is kind of a big deal.
I've found it's also useful to think of attack range more as an Area rather than Radius. Seemingly minor differences like 550 vs. 650 are worlds apart when looking at Vayne and Caitlyn after all.
''Seemingly minor differences like 550 vs. 650 are worlds apart when looking at Vayne and Caitlyn after all.''
Except Vayne gets movement speed toward enemy champions so if vayne wants to fight you, You are not running.
warpenguin5553 votesThats probably getting pulled. https://twitter.com/ManWolfAxeBoss/status/753350708171198465
Lady Hammerlock2 votesCAN YOU GUYS READ TWITTER OR SURR@20 RIGHT FFS
THEY SAID THEY'll VERY LIKELY BE PULLING THAT CHANGE
Dunkrius2g1 votesYou guys are also forgetting about the fact that her passive grants 30 movement speed and 90 with ult. So getting to that range is even easier than ever. Add on that 25. All i know is that buff will end up getting her nerfed. Oh yeah add on her Q
CasterGilgamesh1 votesthey will most likely be pulled...