Garen's at 53% wr with a 14% pick rate in plat +

Rexxiee·Jul 4, 2018·11 votes·2,326 views

Nerfs when? Disgusting stats for a champ whos so braindead easy to play, he needs to be nerfed hard, same thing with mundo.

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JamareeJul 4, 20188 votes

Why? He is easy to beat in lane and simple, first time in ages he has had a decent win rate, let him have it.

HaIlMonitorJul 4, 20184 votes

He is a pure stat check champion. That is bad in general.

JamareeJul 4, 20186 votes

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He is a pure stat check champion. That is bad in general.

He isn't a stat check, that would imply that you need something beyond good gameplay to beat him. Ranged shits on him so hard it isn't funny, and melee champions each have ways of dealing with him as well.

RexxieeJul 4, 20182 votes

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He isn't a stat check, that would imply that you need something beyond good gameplay to beat him. Ranged shits on him so hard it isn't funny, and melee champions each have ways of dealing with him as well.

AAtrox was less of a stat check champion than garen curretly is, and he was completely reworked still.

Nerf garen.

JamareeJul 4, 20182 votes

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AAtrox was less of a stat check champion than garen curretly is, and he was completely reworked still.

Nerf garen.

Aatrox was reworked because he was shit.

ParoeJul 5, 20182 votes

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Aatrox was reworked because he was shit.

Thats actually not true. In NA he was terrible, but in EU and KR he was A tier - even saw some EU LCS play fairly regularly for awhile.

JamareeJul 5, 20182 votes

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Thats actually not true. In NA he was terrible, but in EU and KR he was A tier - even saw some EU LCS play fairly regularly for awhile.

That is only recently, which took whole new runes, his counters being weak, ADCs being shit, and certain items being dumb on him.

ParoeJul 5, 20182 votes

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That is only recently, which took whole new runes, his counters being weak, ADCs being shit, and certain items being dumb on him.

... No this was years ago. Long before runes reforged.

He was a competitive top in other regions, just not in NA.

JamareeJul 5, 20181 votes

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... No this was years ago. Long before runes reforged.

He was a competitive top in other regions, just not in NA.

I would like proof for this one.

ParoeJul 5, 20181 votes

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I would like proof for this one.

I dont actually know if theres a site that archives ranked stats. Sorry :c

MOLTinaTORJul 5, 20181 votes

Yeah he was good when you're ahead, when you're not you're just dead weight. there were champions that did what he does better. He was not that good back then before the runes changes and the reworked Rageblade. Main reasons why he was viable.

HaIlMonitorJul 5, 20181 votes

Teemo main: The champ I main shits on him, so everyone else just sucks and I like my free elo!

Give us a break man, lets ask all the Riven, Irelia, Rengar mains what its like to "Lane" vs that ball of stats.

Critmaster GarenJul 4, 20185 votes

hes at 53% winrate 6% pickrate in plat.

almost 51% winrate in plat**+**

rivens stats are almost the same. maybe she needs the nerf hammer too?

Chembaron YamadaJul 5, 20181 votes

Garen is an extremely statchecky champion, tho. I don't think such a champion should be this strong in that elo.

saltranJul 5, 20181 votes

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hes at 53% winrate 6% pickrate in plat.

almost 51% winrate in plat**+**

rivens stats are almost the same. maybe she needs the nerf hammer too?

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Riven/ Lmao Riven at 53% winrate??? If that was true there will be toons of threads crying on the Gameplay Boards about how OP is Riven

BALDG1VEN BOOMERJul 5, 20183 votes

What's your point? Most people playing him because of missions and what do you expect when you give a simple to play champion to people who are more mechanically inept than that.

Chembaron YamadaJul 5, 20181 votes

Except you don't have to play him for missions at all?

D357R0Y3RJul 5, 20182 votes

you know, garen mains asked a buff to meddler in his post XD

stat checking champion getting buffed to viability and giving cancer to everyone DrMundo Garen

this is riot game for you

341123545652Jul 5, 20182 votes

But Miss fortune is allowed to stay at 53% winrate and a disgusting playrate? Despite being even easier to play than Garen? Riot loves their ADCs dont they

RexxieeJul 5, 20181 votes

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But Miss fortune is allowed to stay at 53% winrate and a disgusting playrate? Despite being even easier to play than Garen? Riot loves their ADCs dont they

riot loves adcs, thats why they just trashed the whole role LMAO.

AtheosisXJul 5, 20182 votes

If you are stat-checking Garen you fucked up. You kite him, you don't fight him, at least not straight up unless you are playing a duelist or some of the other juggernauts.

ValiantKillerJul 5, 20181 votes

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If you are stat-checking Garen you fucked up. You kite him, you don't fight him, at least not straight up unless you are playing a duelist or some of the other juggernauts.

Darius and Urgot say yummy

KICK OUT AT 2Jul 5, 20182 votes

Laning vs garen is just a test of your toplane capabilities. You either know how to play top champs and beat him or you don't and you get smacked.

ankoanko19Jul 4, 20181 votes

sheesh i remember the boards being so eager for garen to be good. all of his counters got hard nerfs while he was already at a decent spot, it is not really weird to see him being good.

DanjengJul 5, 20181 votes

Garen lowkey was strong for a while since he got buffed a whole lot for multiple patches. It's only now that he got his new skin that people are starting to realize that Garen's actually pretty damn decent.

CauseSCIENCEJul 5, 20181 votes

I would just nerf his tankiness past lvl 11, i just cant handle it

AekamiJul 5, 20181 votes

Garen's at 53% wr with a 14% pick rate in plat +

First thing, stop inventing numbers. Garen is at 50.8% winrate in Plat+, with a 5% pickrate. Don't invent numbers just because you don't like the champ. You can check by yourself on op.gg : HERE For the record, here is also a screenshot at current writing time : Screenshot

Also, the problem with Mundo and Garen is NOT the champions themselves, they are not actually overpowered. The problem is that champions that would usually do well into them are currently nowhere to be seen, or on the weak side.

An easy example : if gnar was to be buffed, then Garen and Mundo's winrate would drop. There are many champions that can be played into them that are "just a tad too weak overall". There are also champions who do very well into them who are simply generally not popular thus not played, like Teemo into Garen, or Kled into Mundo.

And you forgot that the reason a "dumb champion" like Garen has so many free stats is because his kit is dumb. It's easy to outmanoeuvre, to outplay, etc. Look at most champions, then look at Garen. This thing has no dash, no CC, no synergy with anyone, all it can do is run at you. So to compensate for that, he needs more baseline stats.

And then there's also the fact Riot tends to balance towards higher elo, where people know how to kite properly, how to predict what the opponent is going to try to do, etc. And Garen being as limited as he is, predicting him isn't all that hard.

Now, I do think his true damage "someone is a vilain" passive should be removed, as it is a passive that punishes the ennemy for playing well (getting a kill) and there is no interaction available between the marked target and Garen. There is no way to do something to actively "lose" the passive.

RexxieeJul 5, 20181 votes

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First thing, STOP inventing numbers. Garen is at 50.8% winrate in Plat+, with a 5% pickrate. Don't invent numbers just because you don't like the champ. You can check by yourself on op.gg : HERE For the record, here is also a screenshot at current writing time : Screenshot

Also, the problem with Mundo and Garen is NOT the champions themselves, they are not actually overpowered. The problem is that champions that would usually do well into them are currently nowhere to be seen, or on the weak side.

An easy example : if gnar was to be buffed, then Garen and Mundo's winrate would drop. There are many champions that can be played into them that are "just a tad too weak overall". There are also champions who do very well into them who are simply generally not popular thus not played, like Teemo into Garen, or Kled into Mundo.

And you forgot that the reason a "dumb champion" like Garen has so many free stats is because his kit is dumb. It's easy to outmanoeuvre, to outplay, etc. Look at most champions, then look at Garen. This thing has no dash, no CC, no synergy with anyone, all it can do is run at you. So to compensate for that, he needs more baseline stats.

And then there's also the fact Riot tends to balance towards higher elo, where people know how to kite properly, how to predict what the opponent is going to try to do, etc. And Garen being as limited as he is, predicting him isn't all that hard.

Now, I do think his true damage "someone is a vilain" passive should be removed, as it is a passive that punishes the ennemy for playing well (getting a kill) and there is no interaction available between the marked target and Garen. There is no way to do something to actively "lose" the passive.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Garen/

Not inventing anything

Critmaster GarenJul 5, 20183 votes

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https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Garen/

Not inventing anything

no, youre cherry picking.

how about the fact, that those are daily stats over the course of 7 days, and his pickrate went from 15% a week ago, because of his fucking skin, down to 8% yesterday and is likely to continue to drop off.

his winrate has been varying between 53% and 52% which are both acceptable and far from op.

and you chose to pick the highest peak values in both cases.

if you like, we can start talking about how riven has on average a 55% winrate when you have 50 games under your belt with her. if you want to cherry pick, fne. two can play that game.

https://champion.gg/champion/Riven/Top?league=

if you have a problem with garen in your games, because he counters your 1 trick, do the same the rest of us do and ban your counter.

HaIlMonitorJul 5, 20182 votes

Those are not cherry picked though? On every single graph he has a high pick and winrate on Lolalytics.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Garen/

Even 7 day Diamond....

his winrate has been varying between 53% and 52% which are both acceptable and far from op.

No that isn't true he cant outplay people and shouldn't be sitting massively high when the champ plays itself.

Critmaster GarenJul 5, 20181 votes

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Those are not cherry picked though? On every single graph he has a high pick and winrate on Lolalytics.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Garen/

Even 7 day Diamond....

No that isn't true he cant outplay people and shouldn't be sitting massively high when the champ plays itself.

its fucking cherry picked. youre not doing statistics by picking the highest variance values, unless youre full of shit.

the average values are on the top right. for diamond, it shows 51.4% and a still inflated pick rate of 9%. such a winrate is not outside the norm. hes good right now, but not op.

we both know garens pickrate only was this high a week ago because of his new skin. you can see from op's own data, that it was only that high on a single day and massively dropped off the following days to below 8% today as the hype is dying down.

while between 52% and 53% even for plat is slightly on the strong side, its fine. garens winrate in experienced hands doesnt break 54% winrate either.

most champions have unsurprisingly a specific winrate curve for people with few games played on them vs. people with a lot of games played on them. usually starting below 50% and ending up at 55% for experienced players with a lot of games on the champion.

while Riven average winrate is below 50%, her winrate for players with a bunch of games played on her is 55%.

so were talking about 54% winrate for experienced garen players and 55% winrate for experienced riven players. this means between two skilled players riven is objectively still the stronger champion.

HaIlMonitorJul 5, 20181 votes

so were talking about 54% winrate for experienced garen players and 55% winrate for experienced riven players. this means between two skilled players riven is objectively still the stronger champion.

No one cares about highest/average winrate mains though. If they balanaced of mains only that would be bad for the game.

Well except for you, but that is probably just so you can bitch about "HeRp A dErP mAh ChAmP SuRkS" Maybe learn a more impressive champ instead of relying on spinning it to win it.

NemeBroJul 5, 20181 votes

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Nerfs when? Disgusting stats for a champ whos so braindead easy to play

Easy champs have inflated win rates by virtue of being so easy.

Unless you're suggesting that him being easy means he shouldn't be allowed to be good at all. No, I'm afraid not friend. Make more crybaby threads.

MOLTinaTORJul 5, 20181 votes

There's a champion that counters them both. Say Hi to Yorick . How can they be so OP when there's a shit ton of champions (and ways) that counter them? Garen is probably having that high of a pick rate because of the awesome new skin.

Critmaster GarenJul 5, 20181 votes

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There's a champion that counters them both. Say Hi to . How can they be so OP when there's a shit ton of champions (and ways) that counter them? Garen is probably having that high of a pick rate because of the awesome new skin.

had. op posts his statistics and forgets to mention, that garens pick rate was 14% on the day his skin was released, and dropped down to 8% since then.

also, that he took the highest winrate spike on a single day he could find in the past 7 days, and not the average.

MOLTinaTORJul 5, 20181 votes

Cherry picking at it's finest [zombie-brand-clap]