Here we go again. Another nerf for Aatrox.

Neriticc·Aug 30, 2019·7 votes·2,520 views

Like why can’t you guys do a small little tap nerf and see how it goes?

I get you want to nerf Aatrox healing from minions, but why in the actual fuck would you reduce it from 100% to 25% heal? What was wrong with lowering it to 75% heal?

You are also nerfing his ultimate again for the 100th time.

Stop this fucking bullshit now. Aatrox is one of the hardest champions to play even at a decent level and all you guys want to do is nerf him over and over again. A few patches will go by, then Aatrox will get hit with another big nerf.

You might as well remove this champion if all you plan to do is nerf, mini rework, nerf, nerf.

I guarantee you in a few patches time, Rito Bias Games will remove the knockups from Aatrox Crit Q zones.

41 Comments

Divin1tyAug 30, 20196 votes

Boards will still pretend that he is sooo easy and should be nerfed into oblivion. Most of them have not even a single Aatrox game. ^^

Jesi OniAug 30, 20195 votes

As I said before... They removed his revive to buff healing and now will nerf healing while laughing their ass off. He is not 53+ to get nerfed.

Want a nerf? Build item 3123

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

yes build anti-healing. that way when he still out heals your entire teams damage in 2 abilities THOUGH the debuff you have an even stronger argument for nerfing aatrox.

dude cmon, you have to know that his healing is ridiculous otherwise you wouldn't be defending it so hard

PyrosanAug 30, 20194 votes

Ya he's such a difficult champion to pilot at the moment his pickrate went from 13.46% on 9.13 to 16.38% in 9.17

Boy I do wish they would stop making the champion impossible to play

Divin1tyAug 30, 20194 votes

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Ya he's such a difficult champion to pilot at the moment his pickrate went from 13.46% on 9.13 to 16.38% in 9.17

Boy I do wish they would stop making the champion impossible to play

Because he still has a high WR? Just like Riven did with an even higher pickrate, around 55-57%?

Oh wait, Aatrox WR is around 50% and yet Riven is the complex and hard champ and Aatrox is the easy one. ^^

PyrosanAug 30, 20191 votes

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Because he still has a high WR? Just like Riven did with an even higher pickrate, around 55-57%? Oh wait, Aatrox WR is around 50% and yet Riven is the complex and hard champ and Aatrox is the easy one. ^^

Riven's overtuned she's not a good comparison champion to make atm Nothing's really balanced anymore so it's hard to make some actual comparisons, too much damage, too much CDR everywhere Riven's previous weaknesses do not exist anymore but she has fallen off substantially for now if you look at her global stats, unlike Aatrox

Divin1tyAug 30, 20194 votes

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Riven's overtuned she's not a good comparison champion to make atm Nothing's really balanced anymore so it's hard to make some actual comparisons, too much damage, too much CDR everywhere Riven's previous weaknesses do not exist anymore

So what you are saying is, you just got a hate boner for Aatrox, can't seem to dodge easy skillshots and rather nerf actually balanced champs, than really problematic ones?

PyrosanAug 30, 20191 votes

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So what you are saying is, you just got a hate boner for Aatrox, can't seem to dodge easy skillshots and rather nerf actually balanced champs, than really problematic ones?

I don't have a hate boner for the champion, I find Jax more problematic but Jax isn't picked in a competitive enviroment, Aatrox is being exploited in that atompshere and that's majority of the reason these changes happen

He's around 70% pick/ban rate in LCS, that's why he's getting nerfed He's the highest picked top laner by quite a big margin, (13%) he needs to be tuned down to the point he isn't exploitable so yeah i'm for aatrox nerfs. don't make it personal just because i disagree with you lol

NeriticcAug 30, 20194 votes

Irelia is also basically pick/ban status in pro play. Has she been nerfed every 2 patches?

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

irelia didnt just go through a huge kit overhaul, so no she wouldnt be getting as many patches. slow down for a bit and consider that he is in fact a problem as he is right now.

Moody PAug 30, 20191 votes

Aatrox is pick ban in competitive while Riven isn't? Crazy.

Jesi OniAug 30, 20195 votes

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Because he still has a high WR? Just like Riven did with an even higher pickrate, around 55-57%? Oh wait, Aatrox WR is around 50% and yet Riven is the complex and hard champ and Aatrox is the easy one. ^^

Agree... Riven dont even have to aim her q like Aatrox and her cc is instant point&click compared to his skillshot (and its not even a stun!). Don't forget that they removed "second" ultimate (revive) from his kit where Rivens work similar being a stat buff but still have additional ability.

Wish he was better than her... at least at one of this three advantages. Riven is a no-brainer compared to Aatrox.

Divin1tyAug 30, 20192 votes

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Agree... Riven dont even have to aim her q like Aatrox and her cc is instant point&click compared to his skillshot. Don't forget that they removed "second" ultimate (revive) from his kit where Rivens work similar being a stat buff but still have additional ability.

Yup. While I do agree healing champs are somewhat frustrating to play against, there are very easy solutions to it. Just dodge his spells (because you can, unlike Riven that can chain CC you with nothing you can do, no windup time [because hey, animation canceling is healthy] you actually can) and buy healing reduction.

Fuck it, just play Darius/Kled/Camille/Fiora/Irelia into him and watch him cry.

JaspersAug 30, 20194 votes

80%+ pick/ban in pro. You think these nerfs have anything to do with people in low elo playing this hard champ? While this figure stays like that expect nothing but nerfs... well until the worlds patch then he'll get an unexpected buff and be 100% pick/ban instead.

Divin1tyAug 30, 20192 votes

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80%+ pick/ban in pro. You think these nerfs have anything to do with people in low elo playing this hard champ? While this figure stays like that expect nothing but nerfs... well until the worlds patch then he'll get an unexpected buff and be 100% pick/ban instead.

He is a hard champ, that is the point. I wouldn't mind nerfs, when people just stop pretending his is very easy to play.

JaspersAug 30, 20191 votes

Being hard does not stop him from getting nerfs, being too powerful in pro play makes him get nerfs. The reason Riven went through months of 20% play and 53% win was because no matter how OP she was she never got pro play. Aatrox is pro play. It's the same situation Jinx is having, 20% play, 53% win, her ban rate rare goes above 6%. Not played in pro so just doesn't get nerfs.

Divin1tyAug 30, 20191 votes

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Being hard does not stop him from getting nerfs, being too powerful in pro play makes him get nerfs. The reason Riven went through months of 20% play and 53% win was because no matter how OP she was she never got pro play. Aatrox is pro play. It's the same situation Jinx is having, 20% play, 53% win, her ban rate rare goes above 6%. Not played in pro so just doesn't get nerfs.

Riven was played a lot in Pro Play, while she was broken, what are you talking about? :D

JaspersAug 30, 20191 votes

https://gol.gg/champion/list/season-S9/split-ALL/tournament-ALL/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/

4% for the entire season?

Not really comparable to 64% for the entire season (84% in Summer split) for Aatrox but she was nerfed and is now struggling while he was nerfed/changed again and is fine (if not has more play rate in pro).

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20193 votes

Riot doesn't balance ONLY for pro play. Otherwise patch notes for garen would never exist.

JaspersAug 30, 20191 votes

No, you are right, Riot do make changes to champs to help them, rejig their playstyles etc or nerf it their win rates are a little too high but Aatrox change here are pro play changes. In normal games, he has a fair win rate, highish play rate and fairly high ban rate but nothing too OP. Then in pro he's 80% plus ban. This nerf isn't because he's hard to play, it's because of pro.

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20191 votes

Except Aatrox will never be bad in pro play because of his q, just like akali or ryze getting nerfed into unplayable territory. When a champ is lade specifically for pro play it wasn't well designed.

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

its not about making him bad in pro play, its about making him balanced enough that hes not seen in every game or banned in every game. as both of these are a sign of excessive and hard to deal with power, they need to address it. period.

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20191 votes

Okay? He isn't pick or ban. You want to know who is? Kaisa. Literally related (pick or ban) in HALF of ALL games. Nearly HALF. Why nerf aatrox based on pick or ban when kaisa is clearly worse? Your argument is invalid.

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

saying my argument is invalid doesn't make it invalid, in fact it does more to discredit your own argument. id be inclined to believe you if not for every statistic on the internet that i could find disproving your random bs.

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20191 votes

I didn't say it's invalid to say it's invalid. "Garen is higheat pickrate" looks at pickrate. He isn't huh no he doesn't need nerfed because of pickrate. That's my point. Aatrox does NOT have the highest winrate or even playrate or even banrate! Saying that's the reason for nerfing is completely ignorant. So yes, it is invalid because you can't nerf someone based off pick or ban when others have much higher pick or ban. Or look at this.. kaisa pick rate is above 14% and aatrox is below 5%. What should you nerf? Aatrox? Or kaisa? If you're going off pick or ban.. hm? See your logic here? Aatrox shouldn't be nerfed if you go by pick or ban.

Ninjas FlossingSep 1, 20191 votes

who are you arguing against? clearly its not anything i said. you have manufactured a point using similar words to what i use that mean something else entirely. im done with this childish strawman.

RagnaveilAug 30, 20191 votes

I mean if he even did get a buff, this sustain nerf just kills his early game INSTANTLY.

boricCentaur1Aug 30, 20192 votes

Because being hard to play doesn't mean they should not get nerfs. Being easily and hard to play should have 0 factors in balance especially if the champion is statistically as strong as Aatrox.

If everyone plays him there is a pretty good chance of a problem.

ZemasuAug 30, 20191 votes

If they had to rework aatrox into this nerf machine i would have prefered if they kept the old and unpopular one, that everyone who played him loved

Divin1tyAug 30, 20192 votes

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If they had to rework aatrox into this nerf machine i would have prefered if they kept the old and unpopular one, that everyone who played him loved

And the one being a blatent stat check, who was unhealthy. No thanks. I prefer the Drain Tank you actually can outplay.

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20191 votes

The old one wasn't even unpopular. His winrate and playrate soared and was even picked or banned competitively, once he saw the daylight riot ripped it away from him and reworked him and begun to slowly rip him limb from limb until he'll be left in the gutters to die once again.

SchenixAug 30, 20191 votes

That's a little unfair, considering he was on the rework list and was being worked on before he spiked in the meta. That he was undergoing a rework might have even been why he spiked, more people trying to play him before he disappeared and realizing he worked relatively well and was sleeper powerful. Provided you learned how to land the buggy knockup.

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

i think he means the version he was on release. which im pretty sure didnt see a lot of pro play...

bluefire mark 2Aug 30, 20191 votes

I mean pre rework aatrox. Here's some statistics put together by someone else because im too lazy to do it myself. https://www.reddit.com/r/AatroxMains/comments/999hdh/aatrox_rework_is_the_greatest_fail_riot_games_has/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

Ninjas FlossingSep 1, 20191 votes

this argues against a point i didn't make. i didnt mention his play rates across all ranks. where is the statistic for pre-rework play rate in professional play specifically?

musixxalAug 30, 20191 votes

lol why does he get sustain on minions.

JuiceBoxPAug 30, 20191 votes

You are exaggerating on how hard he is to play. No high skill floor champion requires more than 50 games to master

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

50 games is not mastery, 50 games is familiarity which is different by a pretty wide margin.

RagnaveilAug 30, 20191 votes

Or they might remove the bonus damage from it and instead put it back into the ability itself. Right now, the damage increases naturally by 25% per Q use. Hitting a sweet spot increases the dealt damage by 50%.

Ninjas FlossingAug 30, 20191 votes

his healing was ridiculous, don't pretend otherwise. actually ill amend that aatrox has been ridiculous in nearly every way hes ever existed.