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Being Bad at the Game: A Discussion about toxicity

Reksee··16 votes·12,408 views

A lot of people will tell you about the horrible teammates they sometimes get, and how bad it can be. But, it's not much better for those bad players. By bad player I don't mean that Zed that built four item 3070 and went 0/11/4. I meant that player that has stats akin to 1/7/6 on a non support. I will admit I have those kinds of stats sometimes, and I know that players better than me are having a bad time, but they give me any sympathy. They will say things like "ping dumbasss" while not specifying whatsoever what to ping. They act as if flaming me for how bad I am will miraculously make me not go 1/7/6 on Zilean. I told them at the start of the game that I would sometimes forget to ult on Zilean and yet when I do forget they act like it would have changed the course of the entire game, despite the three enemies on top of them. I just don't get why people act like saying "dumbass" or "idiot" is going to fix anything, because it won't. When I was AurelionSol and got bursted by Jhin midlane my Lucian decided it would be a good idea to rub it in, I was seriously tempted to report them. I'm sorry that this post has gone on and on, but the underlying message is. If you have someone on your team who is having a bad day, don't flame. Actually give them useful advice because that will reduce the chances of something happening again, and it will not make their day worse. Thank you!

34 Comments

Kemboreth3 votes

we can all act like this game doesn't have a serious problem with pandering to bad players and making sure they dont get offended

Vivial Moon3 votes

Flaming others makes me feel better tho, after all I need a outlet for my frustration and anger

Baka Red1 votes

If you say so, at least until you get punished, I guess. Why are you playing the game if you get frustration and anger out of it?

Vivial Moon1 votes

In my 2-3 years of playing, I’ve never been punished. I play this game even tho I get frustrated and anger because this game is at least more interesting than other games.

Kanyoupipu1 votes

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Flaming others makes me feel better tho, after all I need a outlet for my frustration and anger

AMEN, if you're going to throw the game for 4 other players, atleast let them vent as you waste their time. What they say are meaningless words from strangers on the internet, why do you care? You on the other hand actually wasted 15-40 minutes of their life they can never get back.

Phieldworker2 votes

To be frank I think it’s because people don’t look outside of themselves. Especially in a video game. Everyone is trying to win and do their best but when it’s more stressful people think inwardly.

By thinking inwardly they forget that flaming isn’t going to help team morale and better the match. They aren’t trying to make you feel bad(there are people who just don’t care and will try and annoy or hurt you) but because they are in the moment they get upset and don’t think about their actions towards you.

3TWarrior2 votes

1/7/6 is akin to 7/7/0 unless they do nothing but hit one ability but even then it can change it from an escape to a kill for another carry

I've seen people who just pounce on every kill they can get, even when I did all the damage and deserved the kill...

Reksee1 votes

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1/7/6 is akin to 7/7/0 unless they do nothing but hit one ability but even then it can change it from an escape to a kill for another carry

I've seen people who just pounce on every kill they can get, even when I did all the damage and deserved the kill...

While I know that does happen I mean legit being bad and not dealing very much damage.

Natsu E Dragneel1 votes

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1/7/6 is akin to 7/7/0 unless they do nothing but hit one ability but even then it can change it from an escape to a kill for another carry

I've seen people who just pounce on every kill they can get, even when I did all the damage and deserved the kill...

hey how bout the new run it down mid pyke im going to ult the kills my adc needs to scale into the game and the junglers and then die so i go 15/20 pyke and we lose....wonder why? its not the pyke who refuses to give 1 kills to hes team then ints but since hes score is somewhere even no problem hes fine

Unlimited Chill1 votes

When Pyke picks up a kill with his ult the last champ to hit them gets the kill gold too (I think as long as they would have gotten an assist) so a Pyke getting a kill with ult and giving assist is worth more to the team than the dying loses...technically.

3TWarrior1 votes

depends upon who he ends up giving the kill gold to

if he feeds his ADC but feeds their feast or famine mid laner, gonna be a blood bath

since his ult is based on kills, his bounty resets after all

Unlimited Chill1 votes

Agreed completely, it just seemed like the previous guy didn’t know about the gold share.

ChoAteMyBaby2 votes

I come across this a lot like today for instance. I was in a game with a premade team on pbe and we were playing arurf my score was 4/4 mid but for some reason I was the problem even though they fed top 0/9. And get this the enemy team had a jungler and we didn't. Jungler harassed me more often then they were going top. In fact when it comes to premade teams I am always coming across this issue. They can do no wrong no matter what my score is. i can go 17/2/36 and still get flamed just because we are losing and they're premade. this is one of the many reasons I only come back for Arurf / A4O as opposed to play consistently through out the year.

Power Cosmic2 votes

Just try to get better. Ap Mid is a way easier place to learn the game than support. Also I would recommend not doing ranked, but ultimately the choice is up to you.

Midg3t2 votes

I told them at the start of the game that I would sometimes forget to ult on Zilean and yet when I do forget they act like it would have changed the course of the entire game, despite the three enemies on top of them.

Just because you think it wouldn't change the course of the entire game, doesn't mean it's true. And i find it rly funny how you're wondering why they were flaming you when you straight up said that you will forget to fucking ult xD Like honestly, what did you expect? That they will praise you?

Reksee1 votes

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Just because you think it wouldn't change the course of the entire game, doesn't mean it's true. And i find it rly funny how you're wondering why they were flaming you when you straight up said that you will forget to fucking ult xD Like honestly, what did you expect? That they will praise you?

I would expect for them to not entirely depend on my ult as I have the reaction time of a cat on its tenth life

Midg3t1 votes

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I would expect for them to not entirely depend on my ult as I have the reaction time of a cat on its tenth life

Since Zileans ult can be game changing, yes they should depend on you to be able to save them. If you cant do that, why are you playing that champ? Either, harshly said, git gud or play another champ.

Saezio1 votes

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I would expect for them to not entirely depend on my ult as I have the reaction time of a cat on its tenth life

well then don't pick a champ that 90% of his value as a support is that ultimate. Even if you do all the rest perfectly you can only get up to 10% so, if you plan on not using your ult play another champ. NOT MALZA

ı Sona ı2 votes

Remember to mute players who are being toxic.

if you would like tips on some of the characters you use there are probably some videos on youtube of them.

Dewott6102 votes

or those teammates who in a losing game point to 1 tiny misplay at the end that wouldn't really matter since we were already gonna lose and pin the entire game on it saying its your fault for missing 1 skillshot or something

TacosDeluxe2 votes

I've actually been hesitant to get back into playing because of A) the toxicity and B) I don't want to be a cause of people having a bad time I've only been able to play a few games here and there since like...2017 since i didn't have a computer of awhile and I'm so far I don't wanna be THAT player but I also don't want to sink hours into A.I. matches just to hopefully play catch up either

BoringLittleF2 votes

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I've actually been hesitant to get back into playing because of A) the toxicity and B) I don't want to be a cause of people having a bad time

Dude, you don't owe them shit. The dicky tryhards will always have a bad time no matter how much you try and how sincerely you apologize. And you won't be able to catch up through A.I. matches, as they are very predictable. So mute the chat and have fun - given you're actually interested in the League, because 2019 is looking good when it comes to fun single player games.

R107 Games1 votes

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If you have someone on your team who is having a bad day,

You mean bad game? How the hell I'm i suppose to know if one of my teammates is having a bad day?

Oh wait, let me pull up my crystal ball for a sec.

don't flame. Actually give them useful advice because that will reduce the chances of something happening again, and it will not make their day worse.

In my experience and observations, being nice just leads them to stop trying. I like putting pressure on my team sometimes so they'll keep trying and will discourage them from making mistakes.

Being nice is not always the solution.

Reksee2 votes

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You mean bad game? How the hell I'm i suppose to know if one of my teammates is having a bad day?

Oh wait, let me pull up my crystal ball for a sec.

In my experience and observations, being nice just leads them to stop trying. I like putting pressure on my team sometimes so they'll keep trying and will discourage them from making mistakes.

Being nice is not always the solution.

But calling people a "dumbass" is going to do even less

R107 Games1 votes

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But calling people a "dumbass" is going to do even less

Sometimes it does more, sometimes it does less, it's based on mentality.

If my team can take criticism and are thick skinned, then flaming may be optimal. If my team can't take criticism and are thin skinned, flaming may not be optimal.

ExpStealer1 votes

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Sometimes it does more, sometimes it does less, it's based on mentality.

If my team can take criticism and are thick skinned, then flaming may be optimal. If my team can't take criticism and are thin skinned, flaming may not be optimal.

Criticism ≠ flaming. A thin skinned person will take pretty much anything for flaming, so you're right in that regard.

Madjack011 votes

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bPEmfiGH,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T19:34:08.775+0000)

Sometimes it does more, sometimes it does less, it's based on mentality.

If my team can take criticism and are thick skinned, then flaming may be optimal. If my team can't take criticism and are thin skinned, flaming may not be optimal.

So you actually do have a crystal ball?

Natsu E Dragneel1 votes

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A lot of people will tell you about the horrible teammates they sometimes get, and how bad it can be. But, it's not much better for those bad players. By bad player I don't mean that Zed that built four item 3070 and went 0/11/4. I meant that player that has stats akin to 1/7/6 on a non support. I will admit I have those kinds of stats sometimes, and I know that players better than me are having a bad time, but they give me any sympathy. They will say things like "ping dumbasss" while not specifying whatsoever what to ping. They act as if flaming me for how bad I am will miraculously make me not go 1/7/6 on Zilean. I told them at the start of the game that I would sometimes forget to ult on Zilean and yet when I do forget they act like it would have changed the course of the entire game, despite the three enemies on top of them. I just don't get why people act like saying "dumbass" or "idiot" is going to fix anything, because it won't. When I was AurelionSol and got bursted by Jhin midlane my Lucian decided it would be a good idea to rub it in, I was seriously tempted to report them. I'm sorry that this post has gone on and on, but the underlying message is. If you have someone on your team who is having a bad day, don't flame. Actually give them useful advice because that will reduce the chances of something happening again, and it will not make their day worse. Thank you!

then you run into the people like you a support zilean who somehow got a kill probably at 0/6 or something close literally resetting your gold value meaning more gold for enemy and someone actually trying to help you and trying to give feedback and not saying this is you but the zil screams stfu or something in all caps or just doesn't talk and continues to do things someone trying to help them with

ÈvilMorty1 votes

Honestly these days I get flamed for picking non meta champions.

HavokDash1 votes

I just got reported and flamed for healing and crowd control as soraka. They claimed me healing them and CCing the enemy was greifing/trolling.

So Guess when I support, I wont heal and wont use any CC. Because I wouldnt want to grief or troll my team. So guess I will be playing alot of No-heal sorakas (No W, No R). I dont want to be reported for trolliing now....

Vlada Cut1 votes

Sadly they are too unreasonable to be reasoned with.

ZaFishbone1 votes

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A lot of people will tell you about the horrible teammates they sometimes get, and how bad it can be. But, it's not much better for those bad players. By bad player I don't mean that Zed that built four item 3070 and went 0/11/4. I meant that player that has stats akin to 1/7/6 on a non support. I will admit I have those kinds of stats sometimes, and I know that players better than me are having a bad time, but they give me any sympathy. They will say things like "ping dumbasss" while not specifying whatsoever what to ping. They act as if flaming me for how bad I am will miraculously make me not go 1/7/6 on Zilean. I told them at the start of the game that I would sometimes forget to ult on Zilean and yet when I do forget they act like it would have changed the course of the entire game, despite the three enemies on top of them. I just don't get why people act like saying "dumbass" or "idiot" is going to fix anything, because it won't. When I was AurelionSol and got bursted by Jhin midlane my Lucian decided it would be a good idea to rub it in, I was seriously tempted to report them. I'm sorry that this post has gone on and on, but the underlying message is. If you have someone on your team who is having a bad day, don't flame. Actually give them useful advice because that will reduce the chances of something happening again, and it will not make their day worse. Thank you!

There is no excuse for building 4 item 3070 . At that point you are just trolling and deserve a ban.

Reksee1 votes

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There is no excuse for building 4 item 3070 . At that point you are just trolling and deserve a ban.

I mentioned I wasn't talking about those people. Those peeps are trolling but trolling is a whole other monster alltogether.

Kikiyu1 votes

Agreed! Yelling and flaming isn't going to fix a mistake, it's not going to magically make the person better. Yes, it may make you feel good, but it's no use to your team and can lower the morale of everyone. With me, if morale gets really low, I sort of give up. I'll keep playing but my heart wouldn't be in it, and I tend to try less because it would seem that I'm just screwing everything up all the time.

If you're pissed and want to flame, please just yell irl (don't do that if you have voice chat though). That's what I do. I just scream at the person in my room, instead of typing abuse (I haven't used voice chat yet). If you use voice chat and are pissed, put on some angry music, punch the wall, throw something, no reason to be a flamer to someone.

I try and offer people help and advice calmly if they're having an issue, it helps everyone learn and become better at the game. If they don't want to take your advice, that's on them now. You tried to help and assist them to play better for the team, and they choose to ignore you.

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