senna has tradeoffs my ass

ScarnMichaelScar·11/19/2019, 6:22:32 AM·4 votes·1,354 views

what's her tradeoff? she outdamages other supports that aren't brand or velkoz, outheals everyone that isn't named soraka(and in some cases even her)while also dealing damage, has a better version of karma's mantra e(senna has a longer cd but who cares, she can shield the whole team easily while damaging the whole enemy team), and has decent range even before her passive kicks in. like for real. she might be fun, but she is pure cancer to lane against unless you run an all in support. the fact that she just came out and is sitting at a 50% winrate should tell you something. that something being that she's way too easy to pick up and win despite not having much practice with her.

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Illabethe11/19/2019, 6:58:58 AM5 votes

She has a permanent unchangeable portion of her attack speed (.2 of .625 base attack speed is locked and cannot be adjusted by attack speed bonuses). This results in nearly EVERY build on her having less than 1.0 attack speed over the course of an entire game. The most I've had is .97
She at best crits for 130% damage (146.25% if with IE), meaning she will NEVER hit per hit damage that's reliable as a killer.
ALL her abilities have a pause in mobility action which means she literally cannot orb like normal adcs, and is prone to literally every diver in the game, because she can't fight back.
Nami's heals and damage are higher. So is Sona's over a game duration. Senna is lucky to heal 4-5k Ally damage a game.
Her R's damage width is actually pretty damn small and people are learning to react to it. I've fired at 5 people who were all in its wave, and had all 5 dodge it.
She has legitimate counters, both in adc, support and in jungler. Any support who is a mage counters her. Any diving hooker counters her (she literally can't fight Pyke, and Nautilus destroys her, as does Leona) all generally destroy her.
She was heavily PBE played and nothing about her kit is complicated. That is why she's at 49.58%. The only basic thing people have to learn is to Auto>Q> Auto, and to use friendly minions/etc to collect souls/poke turrets/champs. People have far harder time learning to play against her than playing her. She's "Mastered" in 30 games. People take 100-200 games against her to learn to play against her.

I'm willing to bet her win rate actually goes down, not up.

iiGazeii11/19/2019, 6:28:58 AM4 votes

Vulnerable to all-ins

Difficulty dodging skillshots due to long attack frame.

Sustained healing is low due to long Q cooldown, high mana costs, and low mana pool.

CC is inconsistent.

Everything is a skillshot.

Done2511/19/2019, 6:40:38 AM2 votes

She's slow. Her one CC, a snare, is delayed, weak, and is blocked by minions. She has zero hard peel. She's extreamly frail. She has to be aggressive to farm souls off enemy champions, and that makes her vulnerable to Blitz, Pyke, Naut, etc.

Baby Ghoul11/19/2019, 9:34:14 AM1 votes

Senna should never outheal a Soraka. If that happens, then that Soraka played very poorly and that's coming from a Soraka main. I never fear facing her, but Soraka has a good laning phase when she isn't facing mages.

Senna is actually weak early game, which means she can be easily bullied by mage supports and she's completely countered by all-in supports like Leona, Nautilus, and Blitzcrank. The unfortunate part of Senna's release is that she didn't break the meta botlane. Mages and engage supports with broken hitboxes still rule the meta.

What I do think is a problem is that she does do a little bit too much damage, but also, so do a lot of other supports. That's the problem with the meta, the damage creep. Her damage isn't overbearing either because the thing that keeps her firmly in the support role is her slow auto-attack animation, so she can never contest a true ADC on her own.

Senna doesn't even break the top 10 of biggest problems I see in bot lane. It doesn't mean she's balanced, but she's not broken either.

Minimac200011/19/2019, 10:37:56 AM1 votes

I don't think I've lost a game to one yet. They all int because landing spells during a .8 s auto animation is incredibly easy Sure, she has strong things in her kit but her damage numbers aren't all that high. Maybe once people actually have more than 2 games on her she will be obnoxious but they can nerf her once that happens