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Game is so bad for solo laners now that not even faker can solo carry his team anymore

Rexxiee··103 votes·5,170 views

As seen in the finals when skt got 3-0'd, as good as faker is hes just a mid laner on this jungle/bot lane dominated meta, jungle decides the first 10 minutes while bot decides the game after that.

Solo laners are basically just there to spectate the jungle/bot 3v3 while afk shoving waves and hoping their team doesnt int, theres never 1v1s anymore because junglers just permagank without falling behind so you cant snowball.

Make supports less overpowered so mages,bruisers and assassins can function and maybe carry games again, make junglers actually fall behind if they spam ganks on you.

Another point that makes bot too strong is that games are too short, you simply dont have time say as a top laner to impact the game before an ahead bot breaks your base in 15 minutes because towers are completely worthless (i see first towers fall 6 min in a single push all the time, its stupid), before this issue didnt exist because towers existed and laning lasted 20 minutes, so every role had time to impact the game, buff towers for gods sake.

#MAKESOLOLANESGREATAGAIN #GIVEBACKCARRYPOWER

95 Comments

Salson36 votes

To be honest Mid is just the best lane looking at map alone. Short to avoid ganks, solo exp and good roaming potencial. In a balanced game, Mid is the best role/lane i.e. 'The Godlane'.

Then some idiot decided 'Mid should be removed from the spotlight'. So they nerf half the midlane roster and remove the 15% AP from blue buff.

Now, we get this shit. Midlaners are free to fight for position of Support #3 againts toplaners, just after 20 Shields Support and Dragon Buff Securing Support.

Divewing29 votes

Why pick something and try to carry when you can play Malz and be a CC bot for your ADC

Salson3 votes

Because it's a video game and I like playing video games.

Playing and auto-piloting Malz isn't the same though.

Divewing6 votes

You're right. 100%.

But playing mid and being the ADC's bitch-slave is also not the same.

RainXBlade5 votes

No wonder Faker had to go Ardent Karma at Worlds. He needed to support the ADC more than to try and win mid lane.

HavelDaRock5 votes

Don't forget utility summoner spells like ghost and teleport since your only jobs are to

A) TP and push your lane like a zombie

and

B) ghost you run down to your bot lane and press R on someone :D

ISN'T MID LANE SO REWARDING?

The Last Ballad8 votes

No no no, it goes "bot lane dictator", then "buffed super ranged minion", "jungle pest removal minion", "enemy deletion minion", and "super tanky minion".

Get it right.

Ralanr22 votes

Didn't Faker get caught out the final game before the last fight and that's why they lost the teamfight?

Memeguel4208 votes

SKT might of had another chance in that fight but Bang ulted Ruler away saving him for the 3rd time in that game .

Automated Riven3 votes

They would have won that fight if bang hadnt done that. He was full heath the whole fight and it would have been a 4v4 with a trade for karma vs varus. Varus was worth so much more then karma.

Melledoneus9 votes

Blank had horrible positioning and was indecisive as to whether he wanted to stop jerking it in the bush next to river or join his team.

SSG used that to their advantage and Sej flash-ulted Faker.

NineTailedMystic6 votes

It was a Varus Flash R.

Melledoneus2 votes

Right. My mistake.

But my point still stands that Blank's horrible decision-making skills was a major cause of their loss.

Fairyfleur2 votes

Faker also played Karma and built support items; that's no way to solo carry your team.

If Faker was fed and on someone like Taliyah, yeah, I could see OP's point, but he was basically a second support.

Azadethe1 votes

{quoted}

Faker also played Karma and built support items; that's no way to solo carry your team.

If Faker was fed and on someone like Taliyah, yeah, I could see OP's point, but he was basically a second support.

Karma if played by a pro can deal 50k damage in a short game, on support items.

Fairyfleur2 votes

Faker did about 20k damage that game; Bang did 40k.

xToxicOsirisx21 votes

Why do people still have the mindset that you're supposed to be able to solo carry the game. Riot has been actively trying to get rid of that? Just cause you won lane doesn't mean you should win the game. Don't be surprised when your struggling if 40% of your team (botlane) is losing. if 20% of your team won lane, but 40% of their team won lane, who is winning?

If you win lane as a midlaner, you should be trying to roam and snowball other lanes. Top has tp so they can influence other lanes. They need to use that.

People need to stop thinking of bot lane as one champion. It's two.

I will agree with you. I think junglers should not be rewarded for spamming ganks, unless they're constantly getting kills. There needs to be a strategic choice between ganking and farming.

XxDRAGONsAK47xX13 votes

Dude.

ADC is literally a solo carry role

xToxicOsirisx14 votes

If it was a solo carry role, you wouldn't need your team to protect and peel for you 24/7.

PB4UAME5 votes

Good thing they don't? I see ADCs who never kite, just stand still auto attacking, and 2-3 shotting everyone, healing to full off every hit with ludicrous lifesteal, and melee drain tanking divers, juggernauts and assassins.

Hell, even in fucking worlds, there were ADCs who got ulted 3+ times, while in the front of their team, and they barely dropped below Half fucking health

Executioner13 votes

Sounds like a team using their shields on a adc and peel. Oh my gosh!

JustSaiyan693 votes

Allowing specific players to take over games without having their whole team build solely to peel for them or for the enemy team to just wait around and stall makes the game better by far. This new game style ain't working out. Worlds was boring as fuck because of it, nobody enjoys it.

I think it's quite fair to say this isn't the best way for league.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

The fact that there are almost no marksmen that can survive being jumped on proves you wrong - only Tristana and Xayah have the ability to.

Marksmen don't exist without a team to peel for them. No matter how much crit or lifesteal you throw at them.

Hell, a Twitch can't actually 1v1 a Rammus. How tf do you expect an ADC to 1v5?

Akali is SO HOT15 votes

The game was objectively better when you had an easier time solo carrying games because you actually had an impact on the outcome of the game instead of just hoping your bot lane doesn't feed and lose it all.

xToxicOsirisx3 votes

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that Riot has been trying to make solo carrying less effective. They've made it so you can't just win the game by being fed off your lane opponent and auto winning teamfights with your lead. Now you just have to actually spread your gold lead to other lanes and help them get ahead as well.

Divewing4 votes

Except that's the opposite of what's happened.

Now people just get a lead and 5 man it down mid because if the other team dares to try stop you they get slaughtered by your slightly-further-ahead-than-theirs adc.

KennysDreamGirl2 votes

its not the opposite..bot lane just happens to be the best lane to spread your lead onto xD

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

Lul it would be the local Akali main that wants snowball meta

The game being dependant on botlane is sukkish especially with how itemization limits your options in that lane but tons of mid players have felt like they could pick anything as long as they're good at killing or roaming since the focus isn't on their lane and small amounts of fight influence swings the sidelines.

And I'll say its objectively worse when snowbally solo laners are stronk and beat your whole team through a statcheck because they won their lane. And if you read boards that's literally everything people are bitching about with botlane, including you. A game design where you generate a lead to be strong enough to fight and get your team stronger is healthier than "I won lane I get to shit on everyone now"

HavelDaRock2 votes

The for solo players is just better period when you can carry your team to a win.

Yes this is a team game but individual players should be rewarded for dominating a lane or a fight.

Right now Damage is way more expensive than defensive items which is what leads to boring stuff like Xayah/Janna (just watch SSG pilot this lane, it looks absolutely cancerous) and leads to really depressing games where even if you're 5/0 the enemy team can just zone you out and wait you out until they can afford that adaptive helm, if you're ap, or that bramble vest, if you're ad and you're not much more irrelevant.

This game needs to reward performing players more, stop allowing such a wide berth for comebacks (via builds, more than skill) and lets people carry.

Season 8 already seems to be considering that as a route based on the rune changes, and I hope they go for it because allowing specific players to take over games without having their whole team build solely to peel for them or for the enemy team to just wait around and stall makes the game better.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Why do people still have the mindset that you're supposed to be able to solo carry the game.

Stop lying to yourself.... All here don't complain about not being able to solo carry, its about the fact best bot lane win. Nothing else. He used Faker as exemple just cause.... Faker.

If you win lane as a midlaner, you should be trying to roam and snowball other lanes. Top has tp so they can influence other lanes. They need to use that.

No, if u win as midlaner u should roam bot, if u play to u should tp bot, if u are bot u should win bot.

Devölution9 votes

Everyone keep bitching about mages,midlane etc.But the real struggle is in toplane.Not tanks,but brusiers are weak and cant influence the game much.

Its like Support>ADC>Jungle>Mid>Top

PhearBunny3 votes

pfft. Mages are fine. Azir is the best champ in the game by 500 miles, and Karthas/Aurelion have bot lane impact.

Rexxiee6 votes

{quoted}

pfft. Mages are fine. Azir is the best champ in the game by 500 miles, and Karthas/Aurelion have bot lane impact.

Azir is just broken by design, 1 champ =/= the whole lane.

SweedishGunner3 votes

I mean the nerf he got hit him pretty hard. Still no idea why they took damage from his late and not his early though.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

IDK about competitive, but in solo que toplane tanks are in WAY worse state than toplane bruisers. There are exactly NO tanks in top 10 winrate toplane champions, and if you look at playrates there is only Gnar - who is called a tank in his mega form, but even than plays and builds much more like an AD bruiser.

The Last Ballad7 votes

This team game is so bad that a single person cannot carry it!

I feel like you missed the point of this being a team game.

PB4UAME16 votes

So it is okay that the ADC is the only one who gets to carry, but not okay when the solo laners (they ones designed to carry the early-mid game, and the ones you should be snowballing off of) try to have a meaningful impact, or the ability to heavily influence games?

Fuck all of that noise. Every champion should have the same level of impact. ADCs should mean just as little as supports, never should one class or especially role rise above THE ENTIRE REST OF THE TEAM TO THE POINT THAT IF AN ADC GETS 2+ ITEMS, THEY ARE VIRTUALLY THE ONLY ONE ON THEIR TEAM TO MATTER

Teklm6 votes

If every role has the same impact on the game then snowballing bot lane would be twice as effective as there is twice as many champions down there. Not only would you get 2 players ahead, you get 2 players behind. Yes ADC is silly right now, but in a game where every player is equal, the duo lane by definition has to be the most important. You probably realise that.

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

{quoted}

If every role has the same impact on the game then snowballing bot lane would be twice as effective as there is twice as many champions down there. Not only would you get 2 players ahead, you get 2 players behind. Yes ADC is silly right now, but in a game where every player is equal, the duo lane by definition has to be the most important. You probably realise that.

The issue is that the snowballed solo laner has to use his lead to become support #2 instead of carrying the game. Why can't the shields/heals/boosts be stacked on a fed Darius or Udyr instead of a Twitch? Instead of carrying, they still end up as a tank/peeler for ADC lategame. Heck, you know something's wrong when even Yi is buying the occasional knight's vow to support the ADC.

PB4UAME2 votes

Here's the thing though, that's not true.

Bot lane is still only 40% of the team.

I'm sure you've seen jungler and top lane duos who dumpster the enemy top, take his tower, slaughter their jungler, take rift, take the enemies jungle, and basically own the top side of the map.

If all the rolls were equal, this would be just as strong, or potentially stronger based on the time of game, the level of snowball, and the champions in question, than the enemy bot lane who might be winning their lane. As it currently is, that is not at all the case, and the enmey ADC will likely still destroy both top laner and jungler in a combined 7 seconds or less.

If you have mid involved in the top lane rotations and slaughter, now you have 60% of your team, and that should under all circumstances be more important than any similarly fed bot lane, but right now, that is still not the case. The ADC alone is worth the two solo laners and the jungler in a fight, as soon as they get 3+ items.

Teklm1 votes

Yeah I agree. To be honest my response was more so to people saying getting mid/top ahead should be just as important as getting bot ahead, but as long as there's two champions down there that isn't really feasible unless extreme snowball is a thing (which this board does not want) or ADC/support is less important then other roles. Pretty much I'm trying to say bot being ahead is always going to be more important then mid or top because there's double the players down there.

Your example of the jungler crushing top side is a different story. That should be equally as powerful, but it isn't (or at least wasn't; I don't know what preseason changed) because the game is trash right now. On the flip side however, a jungler crushing bot side should still be the more effective because at that point 60% of the team is ahead. A jungler getting both top and mid ahead and owning the top side of the map should probably flat out win the game through map control, but again game is trash right now.

What I'm trying to say is, in a balanced game where every player is equally important, bot lane will be more important as there's more people there; and that's okay as long as each individual player has a similar impact on the game. Right now that isn't the case, and in hindsight that's moreso what you were saying so my response was pointless anyway.

PB4UAME1 votes

It's far more complicated, but, if everyone were truly equal, a fed top, mid and jungler should strictly speaking be more poweful than an equally fed botlane + jungler.

There are 3 vs 2.5 gold streams, and 3 vs 2.5 exp streams to be considered, 2 lanes and a jungle vs 1 lane and a jungle, as well as the influence on twice as many towers, twice as much of the map, and having control for vision over a much greater area.

Yet again, that isn't even remotely the case, and no one seems to even think about or acknowledge the above factors, because. . . they largely don't even matter any more. League is PROTECT THE ADC OR FUCKING DIE instead of a goddamn strategy game like it started off.

Smitty Manjensen7 votes

Sorry to say this but this thread proves that if they balanced the game by the boards it would be a cesspool of shit. Can't believe people are upvoting this thread plus other who are complaining they can't carry the game 1 vs 5, especially that akali main was hilarious complaining she can't carry it alone anymore, although that's arguable. Also your precious Faker is playing in a professional environment unlike us who are scrubs, so it's much much much different and using him and those games as an example for regular play doesn't really work. Plus he was playing Karma, there are better carry mid laners then her, and as has been mentioned he got caught in the last teamfight. Thank the god Riot is moving away from 1 guy carrying everything.

Titanium7010 votes

And why do you think SSG banned every single roaming mid and had no problem giving faker his Cassio?

It's exactly because of this. Pro - Noob it doesnt matter. If you want to have something similar to impact as a Mid these days you better put up you tent at bot since this game will never be decided by you winning your lane. There is no point in trying to snowball against your opponent. If you kill him once and try to shut him down even more - you're wasting your time.

As soon as your Kit allows you to - you push the wave and roam bot, and than roam bot and than roam bot.

Picking a scaling hampion? To bad - you're now unable to to win your bot. Better role the dice and hope you got the better bot!

In this Meta - Midlane is the extend Support OR the second JGL, but definitely no a real Mid-Laner.

Teemo Did 9117 votes

faker lost because he was throwing as well ... SSG were dominating and they 100% deserved to have it . plus faker abused galio 5 times in a row which makes it questionable how confident he is about how good he is .

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

faker lost because he was throwing as well ...

No... Wtf were u looking at ?

SSG were dominating and they 100% deserved to have it .

Yeah totaly, nobody disagree with this.

plus galio abused galio 5 times in a row which makes it questionable how confident he is about how good he is .

??? Wtf, no he abused galio cause this picks is strong as hell, and he was confident to his ability to carry with this... SSG seems to agree with this cause they perma banned it. SSG perma picked Malz too... is there any1 to questionnel crown level just for this ???

MysticDreams122 votes

From what I remember, SKT banned Galio every match of the finals. They didn't want to risk SSG getting him if they tried to leave it open for Faker.

Malicious Metal5 votes

Sure, let's fucking ignore that they were playing on the patch where Ardent was bloody busted as hell.

Seriously, these boards are just a cesspool of circle jerks that twist and spin shit until it fits into their narrative.

Raoul4 votes

{quoted}

**Make supports less overpowered **

Wait what?

Morendabanus5 votes

support items are retarded levels OP

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