And instead of nerfing the damage proc, instead of removing some AD, can you just remove stinger from its build and have it build out of recurv bow instead? This way it only loses 10% AS and 10% CDR, bringing it back in line. When champs like Ekko are building this over 
, I see a problem with the item. And the item was fine until you changed it giving it 20% CDR
Sincerely,
A concerned Jax player
TheProAndrew10 votesi still thinking that "FERVOR" is the problem
King of Mongoose7 votesnerf nasus
HateDaddy17 votes[{quoted}](name=King of Mongoose,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-08-30T18:57:22.526+0000)
nerf nasus
STOP
King of Mongoose4 votesnerf the freelo dog
General Esdeath 3 votesJust play 
and stomp him level 2 or 3.
Zedex1 votesMAYBE kill him at 2 or 3, then proceed to get ganked because hes last hitting under his turret/
General Esdeath 4 votesOr freeze the lane. That works great too.
Junkο2 votesOr learn to freeze? Not to mention Nasus is useless early so even if you get ganked Nasus can't really do much against you.
Sahn Uzal6 votesIdk about a 
...
If Trinity Force needs to get nerfed though...
I'd rather see it lose it's CDR than the other options...
-a Gangplank player
HateDaddy27 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-30T18:47:52.859+0000)
Idk about a
-a Gangplank player
It has two items that give 10% CDR, you can't have it build out of these two items then have the item take you from 20% CDR to 10% CDR, that's way too counter-intuitive
Sahn Uzal9 votesIt would need to have Recurve Bow's onhit passive :V
HateDaddy24 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-30T19:59:13.158+0000)
It would need to have Recurve Bow's onhit passive :V
I wouldn't mind that tbh
Sahn Uzal14 votesWell no ofcourse you wouldn't, you play Jax. The champions abusing the Fervor TriForce synergy wouldn't mind at all.
HateDaddy13 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-30T20:33:15.751+0000)
Well no ofcourse you wouldn't, you play Jax. The champions abusing the Fervor TriForce synergy wouldn't mind at all.
Many of these champions have/would benefit much more from the attack speed/CDR from stinger than they would the 15 on-hit from Trinity
1011001110002 votesNot to mention Recurve's 15 on-hit doesn't even translate to some of the items it builds into. 
You could just change Stinger to Recurve, take out 10% AS and 10% cdr, and functionally the item'd be fine.
ProfDrDeath18 votesErr. Do you actually know what these items do?
has an on-hit passive that deals physical damage, with the minimum damage being 15.
has a passive that gives you 15 physical damage on-hit.
Gary B Enkelis1 votesI didn't know that about and it's not in the item description in the Custom Item Set list nor the website.
http://gameinfo.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/items/
The wiki says Minimum 10. Where did the other 5 go? http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Blade_of_the_Ruined_King
SlowRoastedPoros1 votes "Basic attacks deal 6% of the target's current Health in bonus physical damage (max 60 vs. monsters and minions) on hit. Life Steal applies to this damage."
"UNIQUE Passive - Wind's Fury: When basic attacking, bolts are fired at up to 2 enemies near the target, each dealing (25% of Attack Damage) physical damage. Bolts can critically strike and apply on hit effects.
UNIQUE Passive: Basic attacks deal an additional 15 physical damage on hit."
I dont know if you're drunk or something? lol
Gary B Enkelis2 votes???
That says nothing about doing 15 damage minimum. Does it?
Toastersaot3 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-30T18:47:52.859+0000)
Idk about a
-a Gangplank player
Also, remember, Recurve Bow has On Hit physical damage as a passive.
-Another Gangplank player
World Ender5 votesHonestly, I agree that it needs changes, but I think a is the wrong component. 
would be much better IMO, it gives extra burst damage but less attack speed, and would honestly make the item a lot more unique again, rather than just a ball of CDR and attack speed like it is now.
HateDaddy1 votesHonestly, I agree that it needs changes, but I think a
Fair point
4th3t0s3 votesWhy not just revert the change back to zeal? If anything, the small amount of crit made it a more versatile option for a large pool of champs; the massive 20% cdr if anything is what's causing the bullshit with
/
/etc.
Irelia Bot2 votesYou had GP and Yasuo loving it and everyone else who built trinity only dealing with that unreliable stat.
Duke of Sloths5 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=0019000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-31T02:49:33.098+0000)
You had GP and Yasuo loving it and everyone else who built trinity only dealing with that unreliable stat.
Corki liked the Crit.
4th3t0s3 votes
: Did someone say crit?
Omnem Occido4 votesSame with Ez.
Rebonack5 votesIf Trinity gave 30 AD, AS, and OnHit damage I would be absolutely stoked.
It was a real shame when Riot made it so Trinity no longer gave 30 of ALL THE THINGS.
serpensortia19 votesBuff Wit's End to 42's as well. Seriously these thematic items are too cool. Pls rito.
Rebonack2 votesBuff Wit's End to 42's as well. Seriously these thematic items are too cool. Pls rito.
I'm in full favor of Wit's giving 42 IAS, OnHit, and base MR. If the price needs to go up a little then so be it.
Irelia Bot1 votesRemove the MR shred and reduce it 2400 with everything being buffed to 42 and it might be considered by more then Warwick.
morris13 votesWhy? On-hit items provide mostly magic damage and champions that get it, Warwick included, also do natural magic damage.
Mazohist4 votesMeanwhile at Riot HQ:
Meep Man4 votesWhy not remove the 5% Movement Speed boost on it that comes out of nowhere?
Limrick3 votesGood luck buddy, tried this last month, people are too blind to see that Triforce is the true problem.
HateDaddy8 votesGood luck buddy, tried this last month, people are too blind to see that Triforce is the true problem.
It's one variable but it's not the single problem. I'm just concerned to see bruiser Ekko still be a thing despite the fact it's been nerfed time and time again. I even see many full AP Ekko builds go Trinity force still.
Ekko has in incredible synergy with sheen and quite frankly, I'd argue the biggest and most consistent contributor to these bruiser or tank off builds at their cores has been giving sheen CDR
jaymc11304 votesIt's one variable but it's not the single problem. I'm just concerned to see bruiser Ekko still be a thing despite the fact it's been nerfed time and time again. I even see many full AP Ekko builds go Trinity force still.
Ekko has in incredible synergy with sheen and quite frankly, I'd argue the biggest and most consistent contributor to these bruiser or tank off builds at their cores has been giving sheen CDR
Ever since Sheen got CDR I've been buying it after completing a Runic on Eve. The power spike for 1050 is MASSIVE. Agree 100% here. Sheen and bami cinder are both item pieces that dramatically effected the meta this season simply because of how strong these items are as a rush purchase for about 1k gold.
General Esdeath 3 votesI'd rather see it lose the CDR because the AP wasn't that bad on champs like 
and 
-A player
Sona x Rubick2 voteswhat about nerfing the cost? before 4000 gold used to be a lot, but now with everything it gives i think it would be fair.
HateDaddy7 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6YjBrjMF,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-08-30T19:21:58.686+0000)
what about nerfing the cost? before 4000 gold used to be a lot, but now with everything it gives i think it would be fair.
Would increasing it's cost increase stop champions from Ekko or any champion in line to abuse fervor + trinity with a bruiser build. I highly doubt it. It's largely an on-hit item/AA oriented item, it shouldn't be giving 20% CDR, hell I'd argue it shouldn't even give 10% CDR,
Votable Jester12 votesI'd say it's less of an on-hit item than an on-spellcast item. The parts of it that suggest on-hit are the attack speed, ad, and rage passive. The cdr, mana, and sheen effects suggest weaving spells and auto attacks together. HP and movement speed are neutral.
Bladerunner77774 votes1:) Trinity falls off late
2:) Increasing price makes it purchased later
3:) Trinity falls off faster
it's largely an on-hit item/AA oriented item
wtf?
BlâckLotus1 votestrinity doesnt fall of late game,it just gives you a slight disadvantage when you have a trinity and boots and the enemy with a slight lead has 2 completed items.trinity is the best choice a champion can have for a full build.
Bladerunner77772 votesTF lets you deal a lot of damage when you get it
It's not that you're doing less damage lategame, the difference is that Tanks usually have good defenses at this point so you can't kill them and ADCs are dealing WAAAAAY more damage than you lategame so you can't really compete with that.
Because of this, fighters will usualy go Triforce > Tank (Hecarim, Skarner) or Triforce > Bruiser (Irelia, Vi). Triforce is usually all the damage these champs need to kill squishies which is why they need the durability to not blow up in one hit.
TL;DR Fighters that build TF > Tank/Bruiser fall off lategame because they do less damage to tanks and don't have enough damage to compete with real carries
NOTE: I didn't include Yasuo, Jax, Xin Zhao, etc. Those champions generally build multiple damage items after TF so they don't fall off
Yasuo building TF is kinda aids though, I think he is way more balanced when his optimal build is full crit + squishy. This warrants a Yasuo nerf and not a TF nerf.
Same with Ekko, he should be nerfed before TF gets nerfed. He's like a traditional Triforce champion except way more slippery and he has no drawbacks which is stupid.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votes16 out of 20 champions in the top 20 winrates are ranged. lets nerf melees even more. great idea.
HateDaddy8 votes16 out of 20 champions in the top 20 winrates are ranged. lets nerf melees even more. great idea.
don't be absurd, that's such a hilariously stupid statistic and doesn't at all represent who the most powerful champions in the game are right now
Watch out for that Aurelion Sol jungle and his 0.4% pick rate
ProfDrDeath4 votesFinally someone says it.
These low pick rate champions are prone to having increased winrates, by virtue of their players knowing what they are doing, the people they are playing against not being familiar with the champion and the champions in question being strong against the popular picks.
55976771DEL21 votesWhy you don't return the 20 critical chance back? O.o it would be better change just get Zeal back, make it cost more with Zeal because it did cost more when Zeal was back there.
Rintam3 votesThey changed the price for aesthetic reasons, not balance reasons. Trinity force costs 3733 all together, it used to cost 3800. It is only 67 gold less. Stinger is 1100, Sheen 1050 and Phage 1250. Together, this adds up to 3,400. This makes the cost of trinity force itself 333.
