As Someone Abusing Fiora for the Freelo

Pierce The Veal··1 votes·336 views

I feel like the nerfs don't address her problems and instead just outright make her unviable.

To qualify, I have no attachment to Fiora. I'm only playing her recently because it's getting me easy wins. But because I play her, I can tell you what her problem is.

Her real problem is having basically 0 mana costs early game like holy shit. I spam everything and never run out of mana. But then that flips over late game. I run out of mana super fast. I think that a post earlier about flipping her mana costs on Q would be great. Make it cost something like 40 or even 60 mana at rank 1. At max rank it should have negligible or zero mana cost.

Here's why. Later on in the game, Fiora uses it to replace the attack speed that other attack damage carries normally get, so her Q becomes integral to her gameplay later on, but during laning phase, it just becomes a way to easily proc your passive without trying. If it actually cost something to do it, I feel it would put her in a place where she had to manage her mana. I feel like we should push her early game's mana costs to the point where she feels the need to purchase a corrupting potion.

Or, here's what we could also do. Up her mana costs on her Q a LOT. Refund a portion of the mana if it hits an enemy. Refund most or all of it if it hits a vital. Thus, forcing her to want to use it against vitals as intended, and additionally making her consider building tear for the mana management (muramana is actually pretty good on her late game believe it or not).

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Rexxiee3 votes

+20 mana cost on Q, but give her more mana regen p/lvl (so late game she can cast them more often), and remove the AS slow from parry.

That would balance her without making her trash.

But yeah the pbe notes kinda suck, shes just going to be trash against anything that isnt completely immobile since shes effectively going to have no ult against anyone that has any kind of mobility or a lot of cc since they can just run away (no way you're gonna force anyone to fight you either with the passive ms nerfed).

For example how a fight against jax is going to go, after changes: You start fighting, ult, he Qs away waits the duration out and then he goes back in and destroys your ass.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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+20 mana cost on Q, but give her more mana regen p/lvl (so late game she can cast them more often), and remove the AS slow from parry.

That would balance her without making her trash.

But yeah the pbe notes kinda suck, shes just going to be trash against anything that isnt completely immobile since shes effectively going to have no ult against anyone that has any kind of mobility or a lot of cc since they can just run away (no way you're gonna force anyone to fight you either with the passive ms nerfed).

For example how a fight against jax is going to go, you ult after changes: You start fighting, ult, he Qs away waits the duration out and then he goes back in and destroys your ass.

Yeah pretty much.

sobi9992 votes

Seems like a good idea to me.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Seems like a good idea to me.

Thanks :D

Rewt1 votes

I havent seen the nerfs and cant find then on FF@20 so ill just say what ive wanted nerfed about this champ.

The passive is changed to physical damage. done.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I havent seen the nerfs and cant find then on FF@20 so ill just say what ive wanted nerfed about this champ.

The passive is changed to physical damage. done.

Would need some number buffs in return though.

Limrick1 votes

I'd argue the problem is that she has in-kit healing and synergizes well with lifesteal items on top of it.
item 3074 gives her AD, lifesteal, waveclear, and even a little HP regen. item 3812 gives her AD, physical vamp, burst reduction, and CDR. She buys both, and she gets to be tankier, do more damage, clear waves faster, have another auto reset, heal super quickly, and use more abilities. After that she can just build full tank and she's an unkillable hypercarry. She needs the healing in her kit either removed or seriously nerfed.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I'd argue the problem is that she has in-kit healing and synergizes well with lifesteal items on top of it.
item 3074 gives her AD, lifesteal, waveclear, and even a little HP regen. item 3812 gives her AD, physical vamp, burst reduction, and CDR. She buys both, and she gets to be tankier, do more damage, clear waves faster, have another auto reset, heal super quickly, and use more abilities. After that she can just build full tank and she's an unkillable hypercarry. She needs the healing in her kit either removed or seriously nerfed.

I could see this working.

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