Does anyone else think Lucian needs better defense for 500 range?

xxxMadLionxxx··32 votes·1,817 views
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Don't get me wrong, Lucian has decent mobility. But when I look at Vayne, I realized she is able to survive close combat skirmishes not only because of her mobility, but also because of her stealth/self peel. I think Vayne has great defense because stealth allows her to disengage and re-engage on her terms. That means incoming targeted abilities/auto attacks have a chance to be canceled if they are not cast in time when Vayne enters stealth mode. Not only that, but once she enters stealth, enemies have to either wait for her to reappear, disengage, or target someone else. This allows Vayne to redirect enemy focus away from her. Plus Vayne gains about 100 bonus speed while facing targets with her ult

Now when you look at Lucian...

You say yea he is mobile, but does he have the ability to redirect enemy focus? No. Can he cause targeted abilities to cancel if not cast in time? No. Does he have self peel? No. Does he have CC? No Does he have extra movement speed? Yes but very conditional. W has to land and target has to be hit to refresh buff constantly.

He does have a long range ult, but that's useless in close combat. Plus a huge cooldown. His q poke is only good in lane and has a delay.

My point is, riot wants Lucian to get close into the battle without any real tools to survive.

I think his W needs more defense utility as Lucian has no cc. I'm not talking more movement speed, but a unique mechanic that will help him survive.

What I suggest is, if a target is hit by Lucian W while facing him, they get a debuff called double vision. If Lucian cast his dash while enemy is facing him, they see a double version of Lucian. 1 version is an illusion of Lucian where he cast the dash, and the other is Lucian himselt at the end of dash location.

The illusion last 0.25-0.5 seconds, and will take incoming damage from targeted abilities/ auto attacks instead of Lucian while he dashes.

I realize this is a little op but it has counter play. First the enemy has to be facing Lucian when W lands to gain double vision debuff, then they also have to be facing him when he dashes for the illusion to be produced. The illusion also does not last very long.

Also, Lucian is a Gunslinger who uses light to fight his targets. He should have some kinda visually blinding/dazzling/illusion like debuff to compensate for no CC. Because Lucian damage definitely does not compensate for his lack of CC. This will also make him unique and give him his own niche.

Attached is a link of what the illusion Lucian might look like.

27 Comments

Shahamut6 votes

Lucian's W is an expensive, low damage, low utility waste of mana. Just my opinion. The animation is cool, love the cross shape explosion, but it does nothing.

It needs reworked or buffed or both. Maybe do something like after it deals damage, that cross shaped luminates the area for a few seconds granting vision and slowing enemies hit/passing through it.

I dunno, just something.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

Yes. Agreed, the W has little value in his kit. That why I was suggesting more defensive utility to him in close combat.

50000000000000001 votes

It's good for passive proc.

Tails Doll2 votes

And that's about it.

Nahara3 votes

Honestly, I really wish they would give Lucian the ability to cleanse slows off him when he uses his dash.

The Loveless1 votes

Shame someone downvoted without posting.

I don't think he needs more defense, but a range increase would work wonders. He has no cc so he shouldn't be gimped as hard as he is. I'm also not sure more damage is the answer.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

Thanks for reading. I'm not saying he needs more damage. I'm saying Lucian has no CC and his damage does not compensate for that. So he need better defense/utility to makeup especially at close range combat

Godaren1 votes

I think he needs some of the old nerfs reverted to his burst. His kit is fine and I'd rather not see more vayne esqe adcs but the numbers on his abilities could use a buff. His dash is fine for peel some adcs dont even have that

Hayaishi21 votes

I think he's fine and vayne needs a rework

BiggerBurgger1 votes

Im a lucian main, if you play lucian right you can be a monster in teamfights but it is difficult to do. The only thing I would say to change for him is his w. It is utterly useless. Can you get a speed buff? yea! can you get vision? yea! But it kinda falls off when you compare it to ashe's hawkshot. I would say give his W a slow,

ImSoFull1 votes

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Im a lucian main, if you play lucian right you can be a monster in teamfights but it is difficult to do. The only thing I would say to change for him is his w. It is utterly useless. Can you get a speed buff? yea! can you get vision? yea! But it kinda falls off when you compare it to ashe's hawkshot. I would say give his W a slow,

I'd say something like ezreal q or jinx w but a big bullet instead that slows the target

Earl Eulrich1 votes

I think his mobility already does a good job there - what he really needs is to get his strong laning-phase back. Right now he just needs too long before he can start pressuring good opponents in lane (bfs+lvl7), and without a good laning-phase his midgame is rather terrible.

TauNoob11 votes

Sounds good in theory but remember that people are very predictable in their movements. It's also the same reason Leblanc's passive isn't used with much success.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

Thanks for reading. I think LB passive is very good. For 1 she gets stealth for 1 second and then she creates a clone. At that point, you may have lost your right target, but not only that, skill shots like Lucian ult may get blocked by clone instead of the real LB. In team fights it gives LB the chance to slip away

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

Put him back to 550 and he would be fine probably. Vayne gets to be 550 and so does Ez

alfavhunter1 votes

Let his W slow enemies hit by it as well 1 second slow for 50/60/70/80/90% that decays over the 1 second

JedenVojak1 votes

W used to have an AD ratio. I don't know why they got rid of it, since it's clearly not good right now.

I GANK LANES1 votes

no, but i do think he needs 550 range back; and i don't even paly him

ElegantDoge1 votes

I think he should have his 550 range back or something like the op is suggesting.And i was one these guys raging as hell on Lucian when he cames out because he was really anoying.But too much nerfs is just too much..he didn't need the range nerfed.

Inphernal1 votes

Bring back the slow-breaker on E

g07h4xf001 votes

Sivir also has 500 range and Urgot has less.

/thread

Thats a Bingo1 votes

He wasn't designed to get in close to the fray. He was designed to kite around his enemies and stay just around the outskirts of the battle, using his abilities to weave damage and mobility during a fight.

However, the problem was that he was INCREDIBLY dominant in the laning phase and there was almost no way to fight him. So Riot nerfed his range. However, they turned him from being the guy who danced around the outskirts of battle to Lucian Bolt. It was incredibly hard to hit and catch him and his consistent passive procs would kill you. So they had to nerf that.

By the time they finally nerfed the right thing (30% AD second shot at Level 1), they nerfed his mobility. He's still pretty good in my opinion; but he no longer fits in every team composition. You'll either be untouched or ganged up on. They've recently buffed him, which actually fixed almost all of Lucian's laning phase problems. I'm hoping for more, but I hope they don't go overboard with it.

xxxMadLionxxx1 votes

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He wasn't designed to get in close to the fray. He was designed to kite around his enemies and stay just around the outskirts of the battle, using his abilities to weave damage and mobility during a fight.

However, the problem was that he was INCREDIBLY dominant in the laning phase and there was almost no way to fight him. So Riot nerfed his range. However, they turned him from being the guy who danced around the outskirts of battle to Lucian Bolt. It was incredibly hard to hit and catch him and his consistent passive procs would kill you. So they had to nerf that.

By the time they finally nerfed the right thing (30% AD second shot at Level 1), they nerfed his mobility. He's still pretty good in my opinion; but he no longer fits in every team composition. You'll either be untouched or ganged up on. They've recently buffed him, which actually fixed almost all of Lucian's laning phase problems. I'm hoping for more, but I hope they don't go overboard with it.

Thanks for reading. Agreed, he was not designed for that, but if riot intends to keep his range at 500, he really needs some better defense.

BroLane1 votes

No. I didn't even read. Lucian is fine.

Squidblimp1 votes

Or, he could just not have 500 range. Lol.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

His defense was supposed to be that he would burst the fuck out of you if you got too close to him. Then Riot decided he doesn't get to do damage anymore until late game and now here we are.

BuzzinTate1 votes

What if his dash had dodge chance (to spells)

During Lucian has a chance to gain immunity to spells (10/20/30/40/50 percent)

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