Can we stop acting like graves is still incredibly OP?

Marshbouy·Aug 21, 2016·4 votes·2,272 views

Please? He stopped being omgopnoskill a while ago. Stop acting like he still is.

44 Comments

colesyAug 21, 20163 votes

because being a tank bruiser assassin marksman is balanced i guess

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

He's only assassin if you build him assassin. Just because he fits into multiple classes does not mean he is OP.

colesyAug 21, 20161 votes

buys death's dance, pd, red smite and has 32% damage reduction, 12% damage assigned as dot, gets free resists on e, deletes squishies, 1v1s tanks.

he's fucking retarded.

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

You are drawing issue items. putting all the items you mentioned on a wide array of champions would weild the same results.

colesyAug 21, 20162 votes

not really. graves gets two guardian angels of free resistances off his e in addition to being able to just lifesteal facetank literally everything.

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

but that doesn't mean he's op. Other champions have stat steroids and can do the same

colesyAug 21, 20162 votes

no, i can't actually think of a champion other than graves who does basically every role all at once.

MarshbouyAug 21, 20163 votes

BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE HIM OP Elise mage support assassin Azir long range DPS AP marksman Rengar tank fighter assassin. Orianna mage support carry. A lot of champions fit into multiple roles or have complicated role sets. That does not mean they are op, it just means they are unique.

EndlessSorcererAug 21, 20164 votes

Urgot Damn straight it is.

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

LOL true

adidasAug 21, 20162 votes

There is not a single Diamond+ soul that would say graves is remotely weak.

Anyone who denies graves being extremely strong/op is completely arrogant.

I cant believe OP said ''pantheon doesnt fall off''.. I dont even know what to say to that

MarshbouyAug 21, 20163 votes

this is the biggest strawman i have ever seen in my entire existence.

I never said he was weak. I said that he is not insanely strong. People are claiming that he can one shot a tank, heal 1/4th his health in a single auto, and draintank 1v3.

I said that subjectively pantheon doesn't fall off. I said that to show the commenter how stupid his argument was.

adidasAug 21, 20162 votes

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this is the biggest strawman i have ever seen in my entire existence.

I never said he was weak. I said that he is not insanely strong. People are claiming that he can one shot a tank, heal 1/4th his health in a single auto, and draintank 1v3.

I said that subjectively pantheon doesn't fall off. I said that to show the commenter how stupid his argument was.

I remember one time i was playing Shen and had 280 armor.

I melted by graves in about... 1-2 seconds i was less than half.

I still think graves is absurd but not insanely busted broken as much as other champions Zac Akali Irelia Jhin

Not totally busted but he still needs nerfs, his armor and mr will be around 190+ each without building... any... armor... or mr

MarshbouyAug 21, 20163 votes

You didn't even respond to anything i said and just used anecdotal evidence to support your stupid opinion. He is 50% winrate in top and jungle. Stop complaining.

adidasAug 21, 20162 votes

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You didn't even respond to anything i said and just used anecdotal evidence to support your stupid opinion. He is 50% winrate in top and jungle. Stop complaining.

Who said i was trying to respond to you? LOL

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20161 votes

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There is not a single Diamond+ soul that would say graves is remotely weak.

There also isn't anyone who said that in this thread. Having trouble keeping up?

adidasAug 21, 20161 votes

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There also isn't anyone who said that in this thread. Having trouble keeping up?

Everytime i see you post i gather a bit of autism

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20162 votes

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Everytime i see you post i gather a bit of autism

My majesty is hard to take in, I can see why your mind can't take it.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

Uh, no. Laning against him in top lane with his stupid lifesteal phantom dancer BS is still fucking awful to play against, and nothing will change that

MarshbouyAug 21, 20164 votes

laning against any other top lane bully is the same.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

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laning against any other top lane bully is the same.

At least I can farm without being harassed under tower by them

MarshbouyAug 21, 20163 votes

Illaoi Pantheon scuse me?

GULAG 4 UAug 21, 20161 votes

Btch I throw shit all and dive you ggez cause you can't ff at 5 minutes

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:31:48.569+0000)

Uh, no. Laning against him in top lane with his stupid lifesteal phantom dancer BS is still fucking awful to play against, and nothing will change that

I'd rather lane against two Graves than a single Pantheon.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 21, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:31:48.569+0000)

Uh, no. Laning against him in top lane with his stupid lifesteal phantom dancer BS is still fucking awful to play against, and nothing will change that

graves win rate top lane is 50.09% which is 26th as of patch 6.16 http://na.op.gg/champion/graves/statistics/top

Kahl Drogo98Aug 21, 20161 votes

I think this is a very subjective point of view. If you know how to play against him well, or rather don't know how to play him, then obviously you're going to think that he isn't op. but if somebody doesn't know how to play against him then they are going to think that he is op. Also if you know how to play him well, he, like every champ, will be op in the right hands

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

everything is subjecitve then. subjectively i think that pantheon should be removed from league of legends becasue he is too op and oppressive. Reality says otherwise.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

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everything is subjecitve then. subjectively i think that pantheon should be removed from league of legends becasue he is too op and oppressive. Reality says otherwise.

At least Panth falls off

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

well subjectively i think that pantheon doesn't.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

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well subjectively i think that pantheon doesn't.

You can subjectively think his damage doesn't fall off, but it's designed to. Graves doesn't fall off because his build path gives him deceptive tankiness and survivability while also giving him late game scaling damage. Not to mention he's mobile, has a defensive steroid, and synergizes stupidly well with Warlord's bloodlust

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

and he also has to be melee range or close to melee range to get his damage off. he also falls off if you have a competent assassin/tank/peeler. pantheon also has mobility, defensive steroids, and synergies stupidly well with TLD.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

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and he also has to be melee range or close to melee range to get his damage off. he also falls off if you have a competent assassin/tank/peeler. pantheon also has mobility, defensive steroids, and synergies stupidly well with TLD.

Does pantheon offer a huge range slow circle that also removes vision entirely from you? THAT doesn't fall off at all

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

he offers an AOE slow. and a point and click stun.

the point of what im saying is that just be subjectively you think something is op doesn't mean it is. Graves is balanced, so is pantheon.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

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he offers an AOE slow. and a point and click stun.

the point of what im saying is that just be subjectively you think something is op doesn't mean it is. Graves is balanced, so is pantheon.

Balance =/= Not making me want to pull my own hair out while playing against him. I hate playing against Pantheon, Graves, Yasuo, Irelia, all of those champions, but in lane, besides Irelia, Graves gets to have the most sustain out of all of them. He can just do whatever he wants and come late game he'll just splitpush all day, and you can't answer it because he'll just jump on you and kill you. He's a constant pressure threat because of his wave clear and ability to shred towers like paper. He's a worse tryndamere

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

A lot of champions can shred towers like paper, jump on you and kill you, etc. That doesn't mean he's op just because he can do it while be ranged.

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:55:17.471+0000)

Balance =/= Not making me want to pull my own hair out while playing against him. I hate playing against Pantheon, Graves, Yasuo, Irelia, all of those champions, but in lane, besides Irelia, Graves gets to have the most sustain out of all of them. He can just do whatever he wants and come late game he'll just splitpush all day, and you can't answer it because he'll just jump on you and kill you. He's a constant pressure threat because of his wave clear and ability to shred towers like paper. He's a worse tryndamere

He's a Tryndamere that doesn't duel half as well as Tryndamere, isn't half as durable as Tryndamere, doesn't push turrets half as well as Tryndamere, and actually he's nothing like Tryndamere at all, what are you talking about?

Graves scales very poorly as a duelist. Most fighters with any dueling ability can crush him 1v1 as the game goes on. As such, he's only as good a split pusher as the average top laner, and not nearly as competent at it as Jax or Tryndamere. Graves should push his early advantage and use it to win team fights with his team.

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:35:53.610+0000)

At least Panth falls off

So does Graves. =)

PermabannedGarenAug 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kahl Drogo98,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:33:36.960+0000)

I think this is a very subjective point of view. If you know how to play against him well, or rather don't know how to play him, then obviously you're going to think that he isn't op. but if somebody doesn't know how to play against him then they are going to think that he is op. Also if you know how to play him well, he, like every champ, will be op in the right hands

That's not subjective. The idiot who doesn't know how to play against him is just wrong.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 21, 20161 votes

man dont know you all champs are op and broken. the tanks are too tanky and do too much damage, the assassins have too much burst and no counter play, the adcs do too much damage and the supports poke to hard and provide too much utility and the amount of cc in the game is overpowered.

JbelsAug 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:46:17.068+0000)

man dont know you all champs are op and broken. the tanks are too tanky and do too much damage, the assassins have too much burst and no counter play, the adcs do too much damage and the supports poke to hard and provide too much utility and the amount of cc in the game is overpowered.

You're forgetting that most champions as individuals have drawbacks. Burst should be Grave's drawback. He should die to burst. But he doesn't, because he just needs to auto you while you're in his face and he can get back 1/4 of his health for each

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMF Jbels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6TvfVWot,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-08-21T15:50:38.947+0000)

You're forgetting that most champions as individuals have drawbacks. Burst should be Grave's drawback. He should die to burst. But he doesn't, because he just needs to auto you while you're in his face and he can get back 1/4 of his health for each

so your talking about graves having lifesteal and gaining hp through lifesteal? cuz non of his passive or abilites give him hp regen.

also if you go for extended trades with graves his passive stacks armor/mr and if you dont have burst he will out trade you. but that is why you dont go for extented trades, fight him in closed/tight spaces. but you can do a combo and take some of his hp back off and do it enough til you get to a point of all-in and killing him.

MarshbouyAug 21, 20162 votes

he just needs to auto you while you're in his face and he can get back 1/4 of his health for each

that is such a demonstrable lie. also item 3123 exists.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoAug 21, 20161 votes

if i was playing Graves top which i dont, but thought about it as an ad caster bruiser a couple of seasons ago and never quit figured it out. but after rework it kinda works. but as i said if i was Graves top i would build item 3072 item 3812 item 3053 item 3142 item 3083