BlitzCrank Is OverPowered

Woook3r··2 votes·966 views

Just saying...slow his missile speed and shorten the cast time.

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luckmallory2 votes

Annoying is different then overpowered. his problem is that either he has 0 impact on a team or the most in the game considering his entire reliability is on one ability. If he lands a pull they win the team fight, if he misses they most likely lose. Thats why they let him keep that power

Woook3r1 votes

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Annoying is different then overpowered. his problem is that either he has 0 impact on a team or the most in the game considering his entire reliability is on one ability. If he lands a pull they win the team fight, if he misses they most likely lose. Thats why they let him keep that power

So why is he a god tier support since season three or so with no real nerfs to speak of?

ReshiKillim3 votes

Because his kit is actually quite balanced and has less problems than other supports.

Woook3r1 votes

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Because his kit is actually quite balanced and has less problems than other supports.

I think balanced champions arnt always found in god tier...but what do i know.

Cenobite Azaziel1 votes

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Because his kit is actually quite balanced and has less problems than other supports.

A 3 second chained CC/burst because you didn't burned a flash isn't what I call balanced.

ReshiKillim1 votes

Morg has a 3 second CC on one ability, Sion can stun for longer, Ashe can stun for up to 4.5 seconds, Shaco can fear for up to 9 seconds if he's an LCS box master, etc.

When fighting Blitzcrank, a Banshee's veil is your friend.

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

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Morg has a 3 second CC on one ability, Sion can stun for longer, Ashe can stun for up to 4.5 seconds, Shaco can fear for up to 9 seconds if he's an LCS box master, etc.

When fighting Blitzcrank, a Banshee's veil is your friend.

Morg has root. You can still AA, you can use your skills. Blitz displaces you near him (no cc reduction), knocks you up (again no CC) , and silences you. Btw, even if you flash after you got hooked, his E will knock you up, granting him enough time to W and R you. He doesn't have to be a LCS master to do that. IT is simply how his kit works. A no brainer kit that invalidates anyone with low/no mobility. Hell, even with mobility blitz will come to you with W, E, R and then Q. Btw, ashe stun max duration is 3.5 seconds.

And the shaco example... it is just way to much stupid to comment. Sorry. Ain't gonna show you the glaring problems, gap intervals, the duration isn't 9, isn't viable but if you can't see the obvious I'm not gonna waste my time. Have fun playing the 10000 stacks nasus/veigar.

ReshiKillim1 votes

For the Ashe part, that was entirely my mistake. Go me and my S1 remembrance of abilities~

Blitz grab is pretty nasty, yes. But there are items and teammates that can protect you from that, as well as some champions who want to be pulled into the enemy team. Because they're strongest there. (Gotta ask for competent teammates though.)

As for Shaco, It's actually true. Shaco can reach 9 seconds of CC with boxes (Provided you don't have CC reducer like tenacity). 1.5 second fear x 6 (Number of boxes you can have down at one time with 40% CDR)

And I've seen and performed such a feat, it just requires very precise and strategic box usage. At the end of it all, you say: Calculated. Because that's what it is when you do that as Shaco. There's no way to do it other than extremely sharp calculations.

But there are players who can and DO do that. Because like Vel'koz mains, some people like geometrical play styles.

(Note: AP Shaco is a thing too, hence the Shaco with 40% CDR.)

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

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For the Ashe part, that was entirely my mistake. Go me and my S1 remembrance of abilities~

Blitz grab is pretty nasty, yes. But there are items and teammates that can protect you from that, as well as some champions who want to be pulled into the enemy team. Because they're strongest there. (Gotta ask for competent teammates though.)

As for Shaco, It's actually true. Shaco can reach 9 seconds of CC with boxes (Provided you don't have CC reducer like tenacity). 1.5 second fear x 6 (Number of boxes you can have down at one time with 40% CDR)

And I've seen and performed such a feat, it just requires very precise and strategic box usage. At the end of it all, you say: Calculated. Because that's what it is when you do that as Shaco. There's no way to do it other than extremely sharp calculations.

But there are players who can and DO do that. Because like Vel'koz mains, some people like geometrical play styles.

(Note: AP Shaco is a thing too, hence the Shaco with 40% CDR.)

There is no reason to play AP shaco top lane. It sure is fun but it really is niche pick. I played it with the "illuminati"pattern. There are way to many variables one being the most important thing of them you enemy player not being dumb. The movement pattern because of the fear etc... I doubt the CC will be continuous like blitz pull combo.

Shaco rude goldberg machine (pitagora suichi, whatever name you prefer) can exist and probably works if you find a willing player, but it ain't a matter of balance like blitz crank combo. It isn't something that everyone can pull off and makes your game experience miserable.

Specific champions can turn blitz life miserable. Counter picking ain't counterplay. It is the same reason a lot of champions are getting reworks. See the old nidalee spears. One Q and it is a 4x5. "But you can side step it or your tank can eat up the spear".Still, nida got reworked and her Q damage got nerfed because the low risk high reward pattern. Blitz Q has so much impact in the game that probably should be his ult.

Woook3r1 votes

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There is no reason to play AP shaco top lane. It sure is fun but it really is niche pick. I played it with the "illuminati"pattern. There are way to many variables one being the most important thing of them you enemy player not being dumb. The movement pattern because of the fear etc... I doubt the CC will be continuous like blitz pull combo.

Shaco rude goldberg machine (pitagora suichi, whatever name you prefer) can exist and probably works if you find a willing player, but it ain't a matter of balance like blitz crank combo. It isn't something that everyone can pull off and makes your game experience miserable.

Specific champions can turn blitz life miserable. Counter picking ain't counterplay. It is the same reason a lot of champions are getting reworks. See the old nidalee spears. One Q and it is a 4x5. "But you can side step it or your tank can eat up the spear".Still, nida got reworked and her Q damage got nerfed because the low risk high reward pattern. Blitz Q has so much impact in the game that probably should be his ult.

I think your point about nidalee is a really good point. And if you swapped his q and his ult that would be interesting. He would be really good at clearing waves so could probably still go mid...but support blitz would be dead.

Woook3r1 votes

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For the Ashe part, that was entirely my mistake. Go me and my S1 remembrance of abilities~

Blitz grab is pretty nasty, yes. But there are items and teammates that can protect you from that, as well as some champions who want to be pulled into the enemy team. Because they're strongest there. (Gotta ask for competent teammates though.)

As for Shaco, It's actually true. Shaco can reach 9 seconds of CC with boxes (Provided you don't have CC reducer like tenacity). 1.5 second fear x 6 (Number of boxes you can have down at one time with 40% CDR)

And I've seen and performed such a feat, it just requires very precise and strategic box usage. At the end of it all, you say: Calculated. Because that's what it is when you do that as Shaco. There's no way to do it other than extremely sharp calculations.

But there are players who can and DO do that. Because like Vel'koz mains, some people like geometrical play styles.

(Note: AP Shaco is a thing too, hence the Shaco with 40% CDR.)

If you pulled this off its because you got lucky not becaue you are good at doing it. If you were good at this (referring to the shaco chain cc), you would be in the lcs playing shaco. But it was luck and you are not....btw, morg's kit is semi toxic whatever you might say.

ReshiKillim1 votes

I can consistently get 5-7 seconds of CC off on most people.

8-9 seconds only really happens when someone falls into a trap in the jungle, where it's easiest to chain for extreme CC. Or when someone does something really stupid.

And I agree, Morg's kit is annoying as hell.

Woook3r1 votes

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I can consistently get 5-7 seconds of CC off on most people.

8-9 seconds only really happens when someone falls into a trap in the jungle, where it's easiest to chain for extreme CC. Or when someone does something really stupid.

And I agree, Morg's kit is annoying as hell.

So you are using something like a typical set up for the boxes? Like a pattern or a small set of patters that work in a given position or set of given positions over and over? If so, congrats. If league was an academic community you could write a paper on this...

ReshiKillim1 votes

Several sets of patterns, I alternate depending where I am on the map. It involves a bit of mathematics for effectiveness, like Vel'koz does.

There are quite a few other Shaco mains that can do it effectively, though most of them are higher tier than me (And generally better at playing non-AP Shaco as well).

Note: Box placement strategy becomes unneeded when there is a Blitz/AP Shaco duo lane. Or just lategame in the same team (Pref duo bot) because Blitz just has to grab people and they die of death.

Woook3r1 votes

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Several sets of patterns, I alternate depending where I am on the map. It involves a bit of mathematics for effectiveness, like Vel'koz does.

There are quite a few other Shaco mains that can do it effectively, though most of them are higher tier than me (And generally better at playing non-AP Shaco as well).

Note: Box placement strategy becomes unneeded when there is a Blitz/AP Shaco duo lane. Or just lategame in the same team (Pref duo bot) because Blitz just has to grab people and they die of death.

how the fuck are you supposed to play with shaco support? I played a game with a shaco support and I was playing lucian. The main problem that I had with my support is that I would ping to attack and then go in, immediatly as is my style, and shaco would stand in a bush and wait till I died then come out and throw a knife for the kill, then blink away. Are you supposed to play the lane really passively or something? Why did my shaco think that engaging was such a bad idea? We clearly had the dmg to get kills on vayne. We just werent getting the kills onto me.

ReshiKillim1 votes

Well, that's just his bad. Shaco support can play offensively, all the more so if the enemy has a self-pulling engage supp. (E.G: Supp Shaco loves Leona players)

Even when behind, he can spam shivs at people to make the lane annoying as hell as long as he builds properly.

The abilities to max first, depends on who you're up against as Support Shaco. The biggest trouble as support Shaco is pokers like Karma or Supp Xer.

Shaco support can play passive aggressive, defensive, aggressive depending on the matchup and whether or not your lane is ahead or behind.

Done properly, people will be killing themselves on boxes when trying to get to Shaco and his ADC.

Heck, you can even do a trio-lane if you know what you're doing. All you need for it is: A good Blitz, an AP Shaco who knows how to play, and a moderately decent ADC.

Last time I went this trio-lane (Around two weeks ago) it ended up with us having 18 kills and 4 deaths in botlane by 20 min.

luckmallory1 votes

He isn't really god tier, there are a ton of supports that are way more ridiculous and provide tons more to their ADC's

Just look at Janna, that bitch is stupid broken. You can't even touch the ADC

Woook3r1 votes

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He isn't really god tier, there are a ton of supports that are way more ridiculous and provide tons more to their ADC's

Just look at Janna, that bitch is stupid broken. You can't even touch the ADC

Sure, nerf jana. Shes also got great pick potential with a flash ultimate.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

he's fine, and honestly a majority of tier lists are absolute crap there aren't even really tiers of champs anymore besides useable and nerfed to much with the occasional to strong outlier like when skarner needed to be hotfixed

Sukishoo1 votes

o yes, so overpowered.... side steps grab OH NO WHAT WILL HE DO NOW!

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