Nerf her 500 times to make her unplayable.
Real fucking fair. Fair indeed.
Akali has to play the circle minigame to deal damage, while "I'm Neeko, I E + Q + R and deal more than 3x Akali combo, and get buffs".
Akali needs 180+ energy to get a small healing from Q, while "I'm Sylas, I point and click W and heal for over 500 healing, and still get buffs".
Akali next patch is getting gutted.
PhearBunny5 votesOther champions have to expose themselves inorder to 1shot you. Akali was doing it with with absolute zero risk. Akali also has unlimited sustain- other assassins do not.
JackMcSnipeyz3 votesGutt her and start over, sorry the rework fucked your main, but at this point they need to strip her power and buff steadily until she's not cancer to fight but still has power.
MiracleMorg943 votesNice comparisons there....comparing an ASSASSIN to a MAGE and a AP BRUISER. Goodness. Totally different things here dude.
Those two have to expose themselves and take a risk to kill you. Akali is an assassin who takes zero risk and has the safety measures to escape. That's what an assassin IS.
Next time, compare assassins to something that is actually similar. -.-
And Akali deserves her nerfs. Neeko may need numbers tweaks on her ult and Sylas is still to be determined because he was just released, (and I don't support the buffs so soon, people are still learning how to play him, once they do he will be OP and then nerfed like Ornn and Azir), but Akali deserves everything she's getting right now.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesThis "assassin" fights more like a bruiser, my friend.
MiracleMorg942 votesNo, she does not. She's pure damage with escape tools, which screams all assassin only.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesShe has built in sustain, she duels really well, while her teamfights are mediocre. She has a slow burst pattern that does less damage than any other assassin, meaning she has to engage, disengage and then reengage in order to 100 - 0 burst someone, usually more than that, unless she's fed.
She's got more defensive tools than other assassins, she's got low cooldowns, and is AA oriented due to her passive. I guess, if we're looking at Riot's "official subclasses" she's more of a skirmisher, like fiora, than an assassin, except unlike other skirmishers, Akali doesn't exist lategame.
MiracleMorg942 votesUnless there's been an updated subclass list, the one I see has Akali in assassin only, not skirmisher.
Technically Zed does the same thing unless he's fed. Some assassins just have a different delete pattern unlike Fizz or what not. And duh- assassins are MEANT to have weak teamfights AND weak lategames. That's their trade off for their get in, kill, get out mentality. While mages trade off mobility and very quick burst for better teamfights, but have safety tools in their kit instead and have strong lategames.
I stand by what I said, pure damage and escape. Akali is pure assassin.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesRiot made those subclass lists almost 2 years ago, Akali was an assassin back then, and technically she is still listed as an assassin, that is not what I was arguing. She is still an assassin, in name only, gameplay wise she plays more like a skirmisher by needing drawn out fights to get a kill.
Akali doesn't get in, get a kill, then get out unless she's fed, usually she has to get in and weave in and out of shroud to get a kill. My points for her having the lowest damage and the most backloaded burst out of any assassin still stand. She has more consistent, sustained damage and less burst, with more defensive tools to outplay an enemy champion.
If she were a better assassin she'd probably be better midlane, unfortunately for everyone, she isn't.
MiracleMorg941 votesEarly game every assassin basically has to engage/poke multiple times before they can get a kill. Just like when they are fed, they burst quickly. Akali is no different.
With that said, she's not a skirmisher. She's still high on the damage list and burst from what I've seen.
I've barely seen her top lane, and most of the times I've played her it's been in mid so there's that. Assassins get shit on in top anyway so you shouldn't be taking them there in the first place.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesI wasn't referring to earlygame when I said she has to weave in and out and poke repeatedly. Even when fed, unless she's over an item ahead then she will still need more time to kill than any other assassin. I'm not saying she doesn't have burst, what I am saying is she needs more time and effort to get a kill than any other assassin, save maybe Katarina.
She currently does better top than mid due to being countered by most mages, the matchups top are usually easier to abuse. She has a higher winrate toplane, with a slightly lower playrate than mid.
I'm saying she plays more like a skirmisher than an assassin, she isn't a skirmisher, but atm she isn't really an assassin either. She's in a weird in between kind of limbo.
MiracleMorg941 votesI meant to say most of the times I've played AGAINST her is in mid with like one in top. I don't play her because I like her old version better than this one.
I still haven't seen the slower killing with her though and I've seen her a lot recently and that her play doesn't seems to be anything like a skirmisher either.
Prestige AkaIi1 votesIt's more noticeable when you play her tbh, not that I'm trying to be that guy who's like "Oh you'd only know if you play her" but I don't really know how to explain it. I also play Fiora and her playstyle just feels kind of similar in laning and teamfights.
I'm gonna try to explain my thought process anyway though. Her execute is the only ability that gives her a quick burst pattern, the majority of her damage comes from her Passive. Her passive makes her have to leave a circular area that appears around the enemy after she hits them with an ability, then she has to go back and chase, so it forces her to slowly whittle down the enemy's health with repeated abilities and AAs, similar to that of a fighter/skirmisher, like Fiora.
I prefered old Akali more, but I'd argue this version of Akali is healthier once they find a good direction for her. The shroud nerfs are a good base to start with, but she's likely going to need some buffs to bring her back to a healthy WR with a lower BR. I'm not happy with removing the heal though, it's something that stayed from previous Akali and I'll miss it once it goes, hopefully they decide to just move it to her passive or something, and not completely remove it.
Haven't had a good comment thread like this in a while, it's been fun. Let's me distract myself from all the classwork I have to do.
Paroe1 votes[{quoted}](name=Prestige AkaIi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LjrITpu,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-31T18:08:17.052+0000)
It's more noticeable when you play her tbh, not that I'm trying to be that guy who's like "Oh you'd only know if you play her" but I don't really know how to explain it. I also play Fiora and her playstyle just feels kind of similar in laning and teamfights.
I'm gonna try to explain my thought process anyway though. Her execute is the only ability that gives her a quick burst pattern, the majority of her damage comes from her Passive. Her passive makes her have to leave a circular area that appears around the enemy after she hits them with an ability, then she has to go back and chase, so it forces her to slowly whittle down the enemy's health with repeated abilities and AAs, similar to that of a fighter/skirmisher, like Fiora.
I prefered old Akali more, but I'd argue this version of Akali is healthier once they find a good direction for her. The shroud nerfs are a good base to start with, but she's likely going to need some buffs to bring her back to a healthy WR with a lower BR. I'm not happy with removing the heal though, it's something that stayed from previous Akali and I'll miss it once it goes, hopefully they decide to just move it to her passive or something, and not completely remove it.
Haven't had a good comment thread like this in a while, it's been fun. Let's me distract myself from all the classwork I have to do.
By simple virtue of most of the current iteration of Akali being conditional mobility or easily outplayed, shes already healthier than all of her previous iterations. If the shroud had been created by anyone not named CT she would have been lauded as a great champion rework. The CT hate goes way to deep, people are even starting to take the warwick rework away from him and are attributing it to someone else despite CT doing the actual designing.
Paroe2 votesNice comparisons there....comparing an ASSASSIN to a MAGE and a AP BRUISER. Goodness. Totally different things here dude.
Those two have to expose themselves and take a risk to kill you. Akali is an assassin who takes zero risk and has the safety measures to escape. That's what an assassin IS.
Next time, compare assassins to something that is actually similar. -.-
And Akali deserves her nerfs. Neeko may need numbers tweaks on her ult and Sylas is still to be determined because he was just released, (and I don't support the buffs so soon, people are still learning how to play him, once they do he will be OP and then nerfed like Ornn and Azir), but Akali deserves everything she's getting right now.
"zero risk" So its zero risk to be squishy and melee with skill-shot reliant mobility? And a predictable, easily outplayed defensive tool that is now unreliable to boot?
Lets face it. Akali is not broken, she is not strong, she is not in a good place. The only reason people like you loathe her is because CT touched her so you have to hate her with every fiber of your being. You people are not capable of stepping back and being a little objective, and its led to Akali being dumpstered to the point where shes honestly the weakest champion in her entire class.
Compared to the previous iteration which you people seem to think was healthy and balanced, the current iteration (pre gutting) of akali has COUNTER PLAY, WINDOWS OF POWER, AND CLEAR OPPORTUNITIES TO OUTPLAY. Which is something that champions of late (camille, Irelia, Jax...) simply lack.
But CT touched her so shes broken and needs all the nerfs right? You shouldnt have to LEARN how to play against her! Why, you should be able to curbstomp every Akali even in masters as a bronze player simply by right clicking her! She doesnt deserve things like skirmish tools! She doesnt even deserve to have the ability to heal a piddly 20~30 HP when she hits an entire wave with her Q!
SEKAI1 votes"zero risk" So its zero risk to be squishy and melee with skill-shot reliant mobility? And a predictable, easily outplayed defensive tool that is now unreliable to boot?
Lets face it. Akali is not broken, she is not strong, she is not in a good place. The only reason people like you loathe her is because CT touched her so you have to hate her with every fiber of your being. You people are not capable of stepping back and being a little objective, and its led to Akali being dumpstered to the point where shes honestly the weakest champion in her entire class.
Compared to the previous iteration which you people seem to think was healthy and balanced, the current iteration (pre gutting) of akali has COUNTER PLAY, WINDOWS OF POWER, AND CLEAR OPPORTUNITIES TO OUTPLAY. Which is something that champions of late (camille, Irelia, Jax...) simply lack.
But CT touched her so shes broken and needs all the nerfs right? You shouldnt have to LEARN how to play against her! Why, you should be able to curbstomp every Akali even in masters as a bronze player simply by right clicking her! She doesnt deserve things like skirmish tools! She doesnt even deserve to have the ability to heal a piddly 20~30 HP when she hits an entire wave with her Q!
Akali wasn't the champion who was 5th most pick/ban AND being the MOST BANNED champion in S8 Worlds for no reason.
This means that the fact she appears so high on the pick/ban was almost exclusively because she was basically banned every game. In fact, she was basically only played in the first QUARTER of the S8 Worlds and all the other time she even came into attention for the remainder for the tournament, it was because she was banned outright (this says volumes); this is also why her ban count in S8 Worlds is almost 5 times the pick count.
Not even pros want to play against her. In fact, she is the #1 priority champ the pros avoid altogether via banning in S8 Worlds. Surpassing even Irelia, Aatrox, Urgot, etc.
Do you not think there is a very real problem with this? Or do you still kid yourself to think that Akali hate is just normies whining and that she's oh-so full of counterplay, or whatever?
Paroe1 votesAkali wasn't the champion who was 5th most pick/ban AND being the MOST BANNED champion in S8 Worlds for no reason.
This means that the fact she appears so high on the pick/ban was almost exclusively because she was basically banned every game. In fact, she was basically only played in the first QUARTER of the S8 Worlds and all the other time she even came into attention for the remainder for the tournament, it was because she was banned outright (this says volumes); this is also why her ban count in S8 Worlds is almost 5 times the pick count.
Not even pros want to play against her. In fact, she is the #1 priority champ the pros avoid altogether via banning in S8 Worlds. Surpassing even Irelia, Aatrox, Urgot, etc.
Do you not think there is a very real problem with this? Or do you still kid yourself to think that Akali hate is just normies whining and that she's oh-so full of counterplay, or whatever?
Worlds was not only months ago, Akali was a new champion who was a power pick against the meta at the time in worlds. Can i have your resources that show Akali was both successful in worlds and had the highest pick/ban in worlds last year?
Regardless, the counterplay to Akali - which even the pros have learned to do nowadays - is walk away when she drops her W, or play a highly mobile non-targeted champion who can stick to her. I mean.. Dude, theres a MASSIVE reason why Akali is one of the worst chamions of her type. Heck, nocturne and Vi are in better places than Akali right now!
kaizzaaa2 votesyeah i cant even play akali anymore after her nerfs
GreenKnight3 votes[{quoted}](name=Lyra Monroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LjrITpu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-30T11:44:15.888+0000)
yeah i cant even play akali anymore after her nerfs
Good, one less Akali to be annoyed by.
VolatileAkali2 votesYou hate everyone who likes their champions?
GreenKnight3 votesYou hate everyone who likes their champions?
I hate reworks, not players.
VolatileAkali3 votesWell it's not like we wanted this out come. We still want to play her.
GreenKnight3 votesWell it's not like we wanted this out come. We still want to play her.
I didn't want a rework. And yet, i have to see this shit every time i get into the lobby. You'll endure those nerfs, just like i have to endure seeing idiotic reworks in client.
VolatileAkali2 votesI'll not endure it, I prefer not wasting a whole year waiting for a false hope of Riot buffing/fixing my champ. I can play Destiny 2, Anthem and Rainbow Six Siege. I am not loyal to any company.
GreenKnight2 votesI'll not endure it, I prefer not wasting a whole year waiting for a false hope of Riot buffing/fixing my champ. I can play Destiny 2, Anthem and Rainbow Six Siege. I am not loyal to any company.
Why bother playing reworks then? Most of them barely work.
VolatileAkali1 votesAfter 8.24b nerfs I learned Akali a lot more and I was winning and still am. The thing is after the nerfs of 9.3, she might be unusable at mid and top will be so hard to lane.
Neriticc1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lyra Monroe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6LjrITpu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-30T11:44:15.888+0000)
yeah i cant even play akali anymore after her nerfs
She is literally unplayable in her current state and the next patch is the nail in the coffin. I can't even outtrade a Sion in the early game with 0 tank items, while Sion presses Q and deals more dmg than my 2x Q + Passive auto.
sphinxthelion72 votesYup....meanwhile sylus is running around 2 shotting peeps, healing 50% of health while having a passive shield!!!!!
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesYup....meanwhile sylus is running around 2 shotting peeps, healing 50% of health while having a passive shield!!!!!
Sounds like an opponent problem, considering the fact that it hasn't been 2 weeks since his release.
sphinxthelion71 votesSounds like an opponent problem, considering the fact that it hasn't been 2 weeks since his release.
I dont think you understand the game enough to understand why a kit like sylus is bad for the game. He is extremely safe while dealing massive damage. That is toxic to the game.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesI dont think you understand the game enough to understand why a kit like sylus is bad for the game. He is extremely safe while dealing massive damage. That is toxic to the game.
And I never saw it being a problem when playing as Sion.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesYeah...The heal nerf was too much.
The shrouded loss kinda fucked her, since it completely took away her ability to dive (imagine not being able to dive as a lane assassin lmao), but taking away the heal completely removed her early game outside of shitting on mages who try to fight in melee range, since she has no real way to deal with poke pre-Gunblade anymore.
And since her late-game is nothing great to speak of (better than the average assassin - still only a tier above "shit" tho)...That kinda just removes her from all stages of the game.
Neriticc2 votesYeah...The heal nerf was too much.
The shrouded loss kinda fucked her, since it completely took away her ability to dive (imagine not being able to dive as a lane assassin lmao), but taking away the heal completely removed her early game outside of shitting on mages who try to fight in melee range, since she has no real way to deal with poke pre-Gunblade anymore.
And since her late-game is nothing great to speak of (better than the average assassin - still only a tier above "shit" tho)...That kinda just removes her from all stages of the game.
Sometimes I feel like why bother playing Akali, when you could play LeBlanc or Kata or another AP assassin, do much more than Akali does in all stages of the game and still be able to one shot.
The shroud was the only thing going for her and now it is being removed for tower dives, now Akali is completely done.
Bjørnetjenesten2 votesAkali had her moment, it was all good fun and they prob made som $ of her new skins.. but she belongs in the gutter, such a cancerous playstyle, kit and design.
They need to focus on other champions, not this gamebreaking abomniation..
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