Reminder to Riot Stashu that you still haven't kept your word. #3

TheUltimateSpear··21 votes·1,304 views

Okay, maybe not DAILY reminders. Don't want to clutter the boards. But definitley frequent reminders.

Okay, but before Riot Stashu and Riot general acts like they're not ignoring Cassiopeia's fans, let me snip a direct quote from Riot Stashu, one of his last posts before he disappeared from the boards about seven months ago.

We're still waiting. Futilely waiting, yes, but still waiting.

11 Comments

Leu077 votes

This has become futile, it's been three posts demanding an explanation for such a simple thing and not even one rioter has appeared saying something like "Stashu is no longer working in Riot Games" or something, anything! Do they really just ignore this kind of things? what kind of customer service do they have? Like really, we won't bite (not me at least), just give an explanation, a "We feel we have reached the desired goals for Cassiopeia and we believe she is in a good spot right now, no future plans for her" would work too, even if we don't agree, it's better than being ignored, this is disrespectful.

TheUltimateSpear4 votes

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This has become futile, it's been three posts demanding an explanation for such a simple thing and not even one rioter has appeared saying something like "Stashu is no longer working in Riot Games" or something, anything! Do they really just ignore this kind of things? what kind of customer service do they have? Like really, we won't bite (not me at least), just give an explanation, a "We feel we have reached the desired goals for Cassiopeia and we believe she is in a good spot right now, no future plans for her" would work too, even if we don't agree, it's better than being ignored, this is disrespectful.

Exactly. Even if the rework is considered a success, Stashu still owes Cassiopeia's playerbase an explanation about why he went back on his word, and disclosure. Not even a matter of success or failure, but of respect and professionalism.

Caustic Crusader5 votes

I quit the game based on Stashu's bullshit. Played a few games recently just to keep my username reserved after not having played since URF this year, and Cassiopeia is STILL THE SAME. It was basically a perfect storm of bullshit that got me to quit. My favorite character's design was thrown out the window, made into an unfun kit, and buffed until it was functional, so there's some loyalty lost. Feedback was outright ignored, as there was endless commentary on how badly people hated the changes in testing stages, and how the buffs/nerfs that followed didn't help matters. That's outright disrespectful. The ability to refund characters following a rework was taken away a bit before, and I'm stuck having paid IP and RP for a character that I now despise, with skins that I didn't want to keep. That was the breaking point for me.

Good to see nothing's changed back at Rito HQ! Ignore the problem long enough, and it'll go away. The most unfortunate thing is, it seems to be right. I can barely find any posts inquiring about Cass's status and how it'll be fixed, she's received only minor numbers changes since I last checked, and Stashu is still ducked the fuck out. Is he fired? I'm willing to wager that he's no longer with the company, since the most recent instance of him interacting with anybody that I can find is from December, in that very same post you've highlighted.

I joined the game after the Karma rework, but now I understand how they've felt all of these years, and it's fucking horrible. Riot, it's obvious you don't care at all for the average player. After all, their desires interfere with eSports revenue. Just, please, for the next champ you rework and destroy, maybe keep the fans in the back of your mind and try to sympathize with them.

I can already see it clear in the back of my mind; the Mordekaiser rework! Done by an intern who mains Master Yi, Mordekaiser is now a fast-moving Melee carry whose early game faults are made up for by a terrifying late game.

If you don't get the joke, it's because Cass was reworked by an intern, or at least someone with the expertise, know-how, and attitude of an unpaid intern, who mains Ryze and basically was changed to fulfill the AP hypercarry archetype that Ryze did.

The Queen Viper1 votes

They didn't destroy Cass per se... only changed her playstyle.

Of course she might not be that fun to play anymore, however when it comes to her power-level, she's still just fine though.

Personally I disliked the rework and still do a bit ... however after that people like Faker and Easyhoon started to play her, so I don't mind anymore.

Canastus3 votes

I highly suggest adding some eyecatching thumbnail to your thread, there are several cute and funny Cass images to choose from. At least that helped me when I made my own threads. Just trying to help you get some more attention.

TheUltimateSpear2 votes

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I highly suggest adding some eyecatching thumbnail to your thread, there are several cute and funny Cass images to choose from. At least that helped me when I made my own threads. Just trying to help you get some more attention.

No, that's quite alright. Think I will, although I'm a terrible artist, I'll just have to find one. Did you draw that yourself? Because it made me chuckle. :P

Canastus1 votes

I'm an artist myself but the Cass pics I've been using so far aren't mine, though. I'm mostly a fan who has his own big Cass fanfolder with all things related to the snakelady, that's plenty of material for me to choose from.

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

(Just my two cents on the problem)

Like I mentioned previously on your last post (Remember me?) the League community is not the friendliest (This sounds familiar), and Stashu's comment that you've underlined is probably the best reason we can get for why people like Meddler and Co, refrain from making promises on the boards.

They try not to make promises because most of their promises are taken to heart, probably due to the lack of communication they've had so we cling to whatever they say like dogs to a bone. And when they arrive at a setback, people continue to cling to those promises, refusing to acknowledge much else. As we've seen before Cass is EXTREMELY hard to balance with her current kit.

It's either going to be Machine Gun or Unhealthy Poison Spam, because its hard to equally waver the power. She's either been horrible or horribly OP, mainly due to her kit. "So just make her a new kit" I hear some of you say. If only it was that easy, since there is a great deal of effort that goes into making a kit. Here's some questions that you'd might ponder trying to make a new kit for her

  • How do I make her a DPS Poison Mage without making her oppressive

  • How do I keep the assets of her kit while moving her away from the unhealthy parts

  • How do I keep the TRY (I cannot stretch this word enough(I know you're there Karma mains)) to keep Current Cass players interested in her

Those are just a few of the questions that might come through someone's mind while trying to rework a champ. Now what happens.... when you can't answer those questions? You stumble upon something that frustrates you because you just cant figure it out. You can't solve this problem so time passes and soon players start wondering what happen to the promise that they've been clinging too. They were promised something was being done, so they don't understand why it isn't.

This is my personal belief of what is going on (Which means mine, not yours, my belief) of why Stashu has been pretty quiet about the whole thing. Sometimes people run into problems, and imo, it was a mistake to have said to the community what he did.

It was a pretty big mistake that's left a lot of Cass mains clinging to an old promise (no offense OP), but what was a bigger mistake was to not say anything else about it, in terms of "We've had to hold back on Cass for a while" or something to that point. Lack of communication is what caused this clinginess to the promises we get out of Riot, and lack of communication is continueing to make this worse.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

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Lord Dusteon5 votes

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He's not complaining that Cass is weak. He's complaining that Riot Stashu promises continued communication and working towards her being an actual poison mage instead of an E machine gun, then left and has not replied at all.

Please, educate yourself about the topic before speaking about it.

DrCyanide2 votes

When have these complaints ever been about her being strong?

They're all about how she's an E spamming machine that doesn't feel like a poison mage, and unless there was an item change that increased poison damage, the item changes have nothing to do with the conversation.

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