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Jarvan's Shield, and Jinx's W on the PBE

The Ecdysiast··1 votes·1,394 views

So I know when Jarvan's been strong, he's been too strong.

I also know that as far as I know, that was only ever when Warrior's was the only viable jungle item for a month or two.

One thing I've always hated about Jarvan is that he has the only shield in the game with a flat amount that scales with nothing.

Seeing a change to a percent of his maximum HP on the PBE is awesome. It'll reward a tankier build so he doesn't just rely on an unlikely early-mid lead to do anything.

As for why they've allowed Jinx's W to critically strike: people have been using items intended for assassins and casters on ADCs-- even one whose kit is supposed to heavily favor a critical strike build.

So-- like the recent change to Miss Fortune's Q-- they're adding incentive to play and build an ADC with critical strike chance-- as is intended.

But the changes to Kat's and Lux's ultimates look ridiculous, plain and simple.

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HeresyHorus1 votes

allowing adcs spells to crit is total bullshit.

i once had a game as MF on aram and did aorund 90k damage to champs mainly from my R. and the best part was i still had more DPS than jinx too.

whats the point of picking mages for spell damage if ADCs surpass them in both Spell damage ( single and AoE ) and auto attack damage ?

with this buff jinx W will deal 525 (+350% AD) with item 3031

a jinx with item 3031 item 3046 item 3036 item 3153 item 3814 item 3047 will deal 980 damage with her W BEFORE all the % damage amps form masteries and lethality + armpen, from 1500 range + %70 slow for 2 sec + true sight and on a 6 sec cd.

and u will still be effective as a DPS god too against squishies and tanks.

it is just stupid.

GankedByWindows1 votes

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i once had a game as MF on aram and did aorund 90k damage to champs mainly from my R. and the best part was i still had more DPS than jinx too.

ARAM. There is nowhere to dodge/position around MF ult in ARAM. Not comparable to SR at all.

whats the point of picking mages for spell damage if ADCs surpass them in both Spell damage ( single and AoE ) and auto attack damage ?

This is straight up hyperbole. Even if you build for it, there is no way Jinx or MF is bursting harder or faster than someone like a Syndra or a lux.

with this buff jinx W will deal 525 (+350% AD) with item 3031

a jinx with item 3031 item 3046 item 3036 item 3153 item 3814 item 3047 will deal 980 damage with her W BEFORE all the % damage amps form masteries and lethality + armpen, from 1500 range + %70 slow for 2 sec + true sight and on a 6 sec cd.

This...actually makes the arguement that it won't be bad. In that build (Which is 6 items where a hypercarry like Jinx should be very strong), Jinx has forgone hurricane. So she doesn't have AOE crit rockets anymore, and is doing less than those rockets would've done but to only one target. AND that is before armor, assuming of course it hits at all since it gives an indicator and is slow. Oh, and you have to hope that the 50% crit goes off.

and u will still be effective as a DPS god too against squishies and tanks.

She has forgone a lot of damage to get more on W this way

HeresyHorus1 votes

ARAM. There is nowhere to dodge/position around MF ult in ARAM. Not comparable to SR at all.

FYI ARAM lane width is a lot bigger than SR lanes in which most fights happen, so u got more room there to dodge by walking unless u can jump across walls in SR.

also have u seen the enemy comp in that game ? 4 of them have ranged cc to interrupt my ult but why they couldnt do it ? item 3814 combind with my E 1000 range %60 AoE slow + R range + zil just settings in front of me like a mannequin made it extremely hard for them to reach me or walk away form my ult, and the one time they did it by focusing ALL thier flashes and dashes just to get me jinx got a Quadra uncontested without losing a sliver of health.

This is straight up hyperbole. Even if you build for it, there is no way Jinx or MF is bursting harder or faster than someone like a Syndra or a lux.

Really ? personally i find it hard to diffrentiate between fast burst and slow dps when ALL adcs do +800 damage per auto per 0.5 sec.

have u seen a 600 AD Jhin auto damage ?

what about Draven Caitlyn Vayne Graves Quinn ? and Tristana Twitch who can opt for more raw damage thanks to built in attack speed steroids ?

they ALL scream BURST in my ears.

Jinx has forgone hurricane. So she doesn't have AOE crit rockets anymore

here u go item 3031 item 3085 item 3036 item 3153 item 3814 item 3047 thank for showing me a better build to make jinx even more the BURST DPS machine than i thought her to be with my stupid build.

please.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

GankedByWindows1 votes

There is no flanking in ARAM. They must go through your front line, which is why they can't use their CC on you.

Yes really. Syndra doing 1400 in half the time with a smaller indicator and no travel time isn't faster than Jinx that has to rely on crit? I've seen the rest do that yes. That means it is full build when adcs are supposed to be at their strongest.

You switching the build doesn't mean much. It still only does under 1k before armor in the very absolute best case assuming you and your opponent are on even ground (No level advantage), and you're giving up a massive amount of attack speed and crit to hope that you get one crit on a W.

HeresyHorus1 votes

There is no flanking in ARAM. They must go through your front line, which is why they can't use their CC on you.

I feel that u dont play / know ARAM well, the lane being so huge combined with summoner 32 + reduced CD on summoner 4 makes it so easy ( and even retarded when u have champs with dashes ) to maneuver to the point where flanking is useless.

Yes really. Syndra doing 1400 in half the time with a smaller indicator and no travel time isn't faster than Jinx that has to rely on crit?

OMG dude, for Syndra to ready her 7 orbs ult ( the only way she could ever deal +1000 damage with_** just 1 ability **_) she needs at least **10 seconds **( 4 Q casts with max CDR ), this along with her W orb grab is enough indicator for even a brain-damaged monkey to doubt that some shit is happening. oh and Syndra ult have more travel time than Jinx W and half the range ( even less when not maxed out and do remember that point and click spells use center-center targeting which means 750 range = 700 range when compared to edge-edge ).

You switching the build doesn't mean much.

It means that an ADC who is supposed to be a single target DPS oriented role is able to do AoE Burst with no penalty to its damage.

also u dont need 2.5 attack speed when things die from 2-3 autoes from u, so dont bring the shitty "u dont get max attack speed" argument again as u get enough with item 3153 + 1 Zeal item + As quints.

as an ADC main urself u should know there is a break point where getting more attack speed ( depends on the champ base attack speed ) rather than raw damage will reduce your overall damage, otherwise u are either a trash ADC main or u are just being a hypocrite in ur argument.

It still only does under 1k before armor in the very absolute best case

jinx W with that build level 18 will do 665 base damage.

665 x 2.5 = 1663. 1663 x 1.13 = 1880 ( best case %damage amps from masteries ). 1880 before armor ( this build have LDR + 35 letahlity ).

there is a video posted here recently and it shows numbers very close to this.

please remember that is just 1 ability and she is still the AoE Burst DPS shit she is with her autoes.

Ralanr1 votes

Not that I really disagree with giving ADCs more incentives to build crit. But did Jinx really build lethality?

HeresyHorus1 votes

on AD caster champs or those with attack speed steroids i go with lethality reds + quints, otheriwise i go with lethality reds + attack speed quints.

and i always go with 18 in cunning tree for the + flat pen and either TLD ( on AP champs ) or SrS ( on AD champs ). and i cant see any reason why not to build item 3814 on ADCs, its too good of a generalist item.

offense + defense + utility ( movement speed ).

Ralanr1 votes

Ok, so short answer: No, Jinx didn't build lethality.

Why encourage her to build crit when she wasn't stopping?

HeresyHorus1 votes

mindless and needless buff to cater for adc mains.

thats why.

also building lethality does not equal getting the max 75 lethality.

i find my self having 45 lethality on ADCs and that combined with item 3036 is some major armor pen even against squishies which is bullshit when u can still get crit, attack speed and life steal too ( and even cdr when u go item 3812 ).

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