Try to figure out who's getting nerfed in next patch

D357R0Y3R·Aug 7, 2018·5 votes·1,731 views

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think really hard legend says even Einstein failed to find the right answer

52 Comments

VekknaAug 7, 20186 votes

If I had to guess between those two, I'd say probably Sejuani

Need Gold 4 TentAug 7, 20182 votes

Wrong pic, that's not Irelia.

AltiverseAug 7, 20185 votes

AhRi Is So WeAk RiTo PliZ BuFf

wildfox99Aug 7, 20181 votes

who ever said that except for ahris?

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20185 votes

I mean, I'd rather Zoe over Ahri. Ahri is pretty telegraphed. You know what she's going to do and when and can react. She doesn't hide in the fog of war two miles away lobbing a two in one damage enhancer+CC that stays on the ground as a big AOE. She doesn't have the range for that. She also doesn't get to kill you with just empowered AAs and your own summoners.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

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I mean, I'd rather Zoe over Ahri. Ahri is pretty telegraphed.

insert meaningless talk about how Ahri is balanced

yea, everytime now and often, every fucking time Ahri had 54% win rate you had people trying to defend her

and it doesn't help that favoritism of riot that nerf her months later and let her dominate the meta for a while

Beatrice fallsAug 7, 20182 votes

How often do you see Ahri ?

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20182 votes

How often? considering that she has rank1 pick rate of midlane I would say very often?

Ahri 14% pick rate Zed 12% Yasuo 10% Zoe 11% Fizz 9%

FlemmanAug 7, 20183 votes

never, no match history data?^^

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20183 votes

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yea, everytime now and often, every fucking time Ahri had 54% win rate you had people trying to defend her

and it doesn't help that favoritism of riot that nerf her months later and let her dominate the meta for a while

First and foremost, I never made one argument towards balance or imbalance, simply a statement to the fact that if one has to be broken, at least its Ahri who is predictable and telegraphed.

Second of all, I've never defended Ahri being broken; she is a binary champion with limited skill expression who should, honestly, be reworked at some point. That said, shes binary and simple and skillshot based; you know exactly what's shes going to do it and how. It isn't like Zoe who gets nice RNG through minion bubbles and actively punishes you for using your sums against her or who also is binary and simple but had more range and lower mana costs so she can keep just taking pock shots until she gets lucky.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

Then I don't see the point of talking with you This thread aims to nerf Ahri, either you defend her by stating that she's balanced or you agree about a nerf

there is no need to write an essay about how her gameplay and her playstyle is, the only thing that matters is nerfing the overpowered champion that she is now.

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20183 votes

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Then I don't see the point of talking with you This thread aims to nerf Ahri, either you defend her by stating that she's balanced or you agree about a nerf

there is no need to write an essay about how her gameplay and her playstyle is, the only thing that matters is nerfing the overpowered champion that she is now.

? No this was a thread made comparing Zoe and Ahri and you expressing frustration that they were nerfing a Zoe over Ahri. There wasn't an essay written either. If you want a goddamn essay, I'll give you one.

Besides, you started talking to me because you didn't read my post thoroughly.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 7, 20183 votes

Here, let me sum it up - as an Ahri main - for you:

Zoe is far, FAR more telegraphed than Ahri, with far more delays. Everything in Zoe's kit is super fucking obvious it's coming.

Ahri's entire kit is fast-reacting, nimble, and generally hard to predict if you don't main her. Zoe? You have a good amount of warning before her Q or E will hit you, her W is pretty much limited to what you let her get, and her R locks her in place.

Ahri is only decently telegraphed when coming from a distance. When you're already in E range, she's no more telegraphed than any other mage or assassin inherently is

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20182 votes

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Here, let me sum it up - as an Ahri main - for you:

Zoe is far, FAR more telegraphed than Ahri, with far more delays. Everything in Zoe's kit is super fucking obvious it's coming.

Ahri's entire kit is fast-reacting, nimble, and generally hard to predict if you don't main her. Zoe? You have a good amount of warning before her Q or E will hit you, her W is pretty much limited to what you let her get, and her R locks her in place.

Ahri is only decently telegraphed when coming from a distance. When you're already in E range, she's no more telegraphed than any other mage or assassin inherently is

Ahri is extremely telegraphed. What does she want? She wants to land her charm. Where is the best place for her to do that? Point blank so it wont miss. How does she get to point blank? Ult.

Zoe is telegraphed but 9 times out of 10 it's from fog of war so you cant react or you're asleep so it doesn't matter.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

See you failed to understand that when zoe lands an E on you, your entire team sees it and can block it because she needs to wait 2 seconds

when Ahri appears in front of you it's over you're dead, half of your hp is already gone from R+W

OtterlyLostAug 7, 20181 votes

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See you failed to understand that when zoe lands an E on you, your entire team sees it and can block it because she needs to wait 2 seconds

when Ahri appears in front of you it's over you're dead, half of your hp is already gone from R+W

Great, your teammate can block it and get half healthed instead. Great champion design.

wildfox99Aug 7, 20181 votes

can't they block ahri's E as well?

R > E gives enough time for react (way more time than zoe's E from fog of war),also she doesn't have a free back and if she gets CC'd she's dead

SugeMinPikkAug 7, 20181 votes

Watch some of Shiphtur's Ahri plays and tell me it'd be harder to predict a Zoe all-in lol

SugeMinPikkAug 7, 20181 votes

I usually only play Yasuo or TF when I'm mid so I would most definitely rather play against Zoe. Even better if Zoe picks before me, so I can just TF without worrying about getting counter picked.

Warlord RhinarkAug 7, 20184 votes

Better nerf Shen.

SugeMinPikkAug 7, 20181 votes

And thus, a new meme is born.

HP CrookshanksAug 7, 20183 votes

There is a reason why Ahri 's never played in pro games. It's really easy to deal with her because of her binary kit. When she burns her ult she's useless for 2 minutes (or less depending on her level/cdr) her damage is also much lower when she misses her charm. But Zoe doesn't have these problems. She's always a threat at all parts of the game and she doesn't have to land her cc to do damage. It's hard to deal with her unlike Ahri. That's why Zoe is a ban/pick in high elo while Ahri is never banned and almost never picked. Ahri is a great pick for low elo soloq but not as good as Zoe in high elo or pro games.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20183 votes

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There is a reason why 's never played in pro games.

nobody fucking CARES ABOUT PRO PLAY

what is this shit boards getting upset about riot balancing around pro play and then trying to use that argument?

let me tell you THREE THINGS mate: -pro play isn't played on the patch where Ahri got buffed -Ahri in the past when she had 54% win rate WAS played in pro play -Orianna is the pick/ban mid laner of the moment in pro play, not Zoe

Rins Thigh SocksAug 7, 20183 votes

Hm...

I'd have to guess the champion with the toxic kit who multiple streamers, pro players, and big voices all say shouldn't have ever existed in her current iteration.

The champion that solo carries pro games, is top tier in Diamond, and has been cried about on Reddit for weeks on end.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

You're right fam <Removed by Moderation>

Rins Thigh SocksAug 7, 20183 votes

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You're right fam Now if only your name was different I would have taken you more seriously

You want objective reasoning? Here's your objective reasoning.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/zoe/diamond

Zoe wins over half her games, has a 12% pickrate, and a 50% banrate. In Diamond+. Zoe's winrate climbs the higher elo you go so it's safe to assume that in D3+ her winrate is 51%.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/diamond

this is Ahri's stats in Diamond. She has a 52.7% win ratio, a 3.5% banrate, and a 10% pickrate. If you account for D3+, her winrate is probably down to 52.5%. There's 2 details I left out.

Ahri is considered an easy, safe champion. Zoe is not. When historically, easy champions have 52-53% winrates, why is Ahri's 52% suddenly a problem? When other high popularity difficult champions, such as LeBlanc, Zed, and Lee Sin have sub-50% winrates, why ISN'T Zoe's 50%+ a problem?
High elos ban Ahri 3.5% of the time and Zoe a whopping 51% of the time. Even though you can't play her in half of all games in Diamond elo, Zoe still sees more pick % than Ahri.

Why? Because Zoe contributes more to the team, while Ahri simply has more safety nets. Almost every high elo player recognizes this.

Is Ahri a good pick right now? Sure. She's blind pickable into anything and is one of the easiest champions to climb with.

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

then why the fuck do you take diamond+ when riot balances around plat+?

Ahri has 54% win rate in plat+ Ahri isn't banned? Well no fucking shit, EVEN JHIN WHOS BROKEN ISNT BANNED NOW ban rate proves nothing, Yasuo is banned while being average at best, zed is not fucking ban worthy but is banned same for Darius Jhin has 53% win rate 30% pick rate and is never banned

<Removed by Moderation> Ahri is a piece of shit champion that everytime is meta ends up being safe and oneshoting people and dominates mid lane.

and the worst of all is riot favoring her and taking months to nerf her

Rins Thigh SocksAug 7, 20182 votes

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then why the fuck do you take diamond+ when riot balances around plat+?

Ahri has 54% win rate in plat+ Ahri isn't banned? Well no fucking shit, EVEN JHIN WHOS BROKEN ISNT BANNED NOW ban rate proves nothing, Yasuo is banned while being average at best, zed is not fucking ban worthy but is banned same for Darius Jhin has 53% win rate 30% pick rate and is never banned

Ahri mains are biased and you call me delusional, Ahri is a piece of shit champion that everytime is meta ends up being safe and oneshoting people and dominates mid lane.

and the worst of all is riot favoring her and taking months to nerf her

Riot said they balance around high plat, low diamond. Which I think safely averages out at D5. Still below a 53% winrate.

Doesn't matter anyway because they should balance around high elo. Ya know, people who actually play the game and understand its nuances, and not some boards monkeys who think Zoe is fair because she's got a barely above 50% winrate.

also, idk what you mean by Riot favoring her and taking months to nerf her. She's seen pro play twice since season 5, and she was almost subsequently nerfed.

The first was in patch 5.2, in which she was pretty obviously broken as Riot gave her way too many compensation buffs for removing DFG. She was nerfed hard in 5.3

v5.3 Orb of Deception Mana cost increased to 65 / 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 from 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75. Fox-Fire Base damage reduced to 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 from 50 / 80 / 110 / 140 / 170. Orb rotation speed increased by around 30%. Acquisition range reduced to 550 from 650. Spirit Rush Acquisition range reduced to 600 from 700.

And she saw some play before Ardent meta in season 7, which resulted in these nerfs

V7.11 Fox-Fire AP ratio per wisp reduced to 30% AP from 40% AP. Maximum AP ratio against the same target reduced to 48% AP from 64% AP. Charm AP ratio increased to 60% AP from 50% AP. Spirit Rush AP ratio per bolt reduced to 25% AP from 30% AP.

That's 15% of her ratios in an all in, and the loss of reliability is huge even if she could've gained most of the damage back on landing Charm.

Totally Not JinxAug 7, 20181 votes

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Totally Not JinxAug 7, 20181 votes

Hi yes me again hello

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Totally Not JinxAug 7, 20181 votes

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Totally Not JinxAug 7, 20181 votes

Hi yes hello, I had to edit your post a tad.

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SalronAug 7, 20182 votes

I just hope they don't nerf Ahri's damage because when ignite and Electrocute are nerfed eventually shes gonna have a lot of trouble killing anything

Just revert the buff to charm

HayaishiAug 7, 20182 votes

Pretty sure Zoe is. Also Vlad should too. fuck vlad

Fízz v2Aug 7, 20182 votes

FeelsBadMan guess ill need to start maining ori LUL

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

Why don't you main Ahri fizz dono pure freelo that's going to get months to get nerfed omegalul

saltranAug 7, 20181 votes

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Why don't you main Ahri fizz dono pure freelo that's going to get months to get nerfed omegalul

Is Ahri the midlane Janna? It seems so.

Fízz v2Aug 7, 20181 votes

Nah I have a master plan: Ill become the best player on the new mage coming after Ezreal Poggers

Sire HippingtonAug 7, 20182 votes

Zoe, and i'm totally fine with EVERY nerf she gets. She shuld never have been allowef to hit live with her kit(especially with her W)

Still, Ahri certainly should be up for a nerf aswell, but i guess Riot wants to see her in proplay atleast a bit befor nerfing her...

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

So Riot favoritism

things never change hehe

PrimaquariusAug 7, 20181 votes

Is it Nami?

feintfiendAug 7, 20181 votes

Ahri was overbuffed. Both deserve nerfs

wildfox99Aug 7, 20181 votes

why we don't talk about zoe's pick/bann rate and the fact that in diamond+ she's pick or bann?

stop pretending she didn't need nerf

also ahri needs her 0.4 sec CC buff reverted and some work in her W instead (why don't rework it? for the ones that says riot is biased toward her,almost all ahri mains want this spell being more than free damage,why can't we have the same treatment as Ezreal W? edit : so her kit can be easier to balance)

D357R0Y3RAug 7, 20181 votes

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why we don't talk about zoe's pick/bann rate and the fact that in diamond+ she's pick or bann?

Why do we pretend like Riot balances the game around diamond+? We don't Just like we don't balance around pro play And your own argument is terrible considering that Ahri has 54% win rate in diamond+

stop pretending she didn't need nerf

I don't care about Zoe needing a nerf or not, Ahri is x15 times more disgusting right now, both stats wise and playing against people tell me it's ok to play against ahri no it's fucking not to play against a piece of shit champion that removes half of my hp with one instance of R+W

but why is this thread comparing Ahri to Zoe Because while Ahri is more disgusting, Meddler goes about how "we have no plan for ahri" and yet we will hotfix nerf Fizz after overbuffing him, nerf Zoe

but leave Ahri alone disgusting favoritism

also ahri needs

A nerf yes

wildfox99Aug 7, 20181 votes

Why do we pretend like Riot balances the game around diamond+? We don't Just like we don't balance around pro play And your own argument is terrible considering that Ahri has 54% win rate in diamond+

we don't because else your entire argument would fall,ahri bann rate is almost nonexistent while zoe is banned more than half of the games,at this elo players don't bann because they don't know how to play against X champion,they do it because he/she is broken

ahri players got used to play with a champion extremly weak champion (pre-mini rework) so once she was good (and atm a bit too strong) her win rate skyrocket

also she's still a safe pick,reason that makes her win rate increase even more

I don't care about Zoe needing a nerf or not, Ahri is x15 times more disgusting right now, both stats wise and playing against people tell me it's ok to play against ahri no it's fucking not to play against a piece of shit champion that removes half of my hp with one instance of R+W

but why is this thread comparing Ahri to Zoe Because while Ahri is more disgusting, Meddler goes about how "we have no plan for ahri" and yet we will hotfix nerf Fizz after overbuffing him, nerf Zoe

ahri's R W will get half of your HP only because half of the damage will be electrocute and the other half summoner 14 (hyperbole)

so what about le blanc,fizz and others that won't get half HP without skillshot but will overkill you for 25% of your HP?

also ahri build full damage wonder why the fk she deals damage if you don't get MR?

i think they have no plan for her because she's in meta but not oppressive,trying to be as unbiased as i could ahri being in meta is 1000 times better than any fizz,le blanc or zoe,her kit it's just more healty so since any nerf would end up in a gut for her current kit they prefer to leave her as she is untill they come up with some idea,especially when they left her in a nealy unplayable state for 1 year (pre-mini rework) and still weak for some patches after it

A nerf yes

she need her buff to be reverted and her W reworked,so yea let's say a nerf with a compensation "buff",but at this point i suppose your whole argument "I don't care about Zoe needing a nerf or not, Ahri is x15 times more disgusting right now" it's because someone got recently rekt by an ahri

SirchachatAug 7, 20181 votes

So looking at the Live stats for Diamond+ Globaly on U.gg

Zoe **S+ Tier champion with a 51.54% Win rate and a Ban rate of 54.8% ** Ahri S Tier champion with a 51.94% Win rate and a Ban rate of 3.8%

Maybe the one that needs to be nerfed into Ryze tier the most is the one no one wants to play against because their kit is completely toxic and lacks meaningful counter play at all stages of play. Hint: The one that is less deserving of nerfs is Ahri.