Only a few more champs to hit on PBE and 7.3 will be the best patch in history

FalconPawwwwnch·Feb 2, 2017·7 votes·1,650 views

Jhin/Caitlyn/Hecarim and maybe a few more

16 Comments

PermabannedGarenFeb 2, 20173 votes

Hecarim isn't performing particularly well anymore. He probably doesn't need a nerf.

McFatalFeb 2, 20175 votes

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Hecarim isn't performing particularly well anymore. He probably doesn't need a nerf.

hes just been hidden behind vi.

hes still broken lol.

BluePolarizerFeb 2, 20174 votes

hes 48% win rate right now.

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

McFatalFeb 2, 20172 votes

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hes 48% win rate right now.

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

winr ate doesnt prove anything.

take win rate in specific elos then itll make sense.

bronze-gold hecarims wont really show how strong he is.

BluePolarizerFeb 2, 20175 votes

op.gg is from plat+.

I also believe that Hecarim is stronger in bronze-gold than in plat+, since his biggest weakness is getting invaded by duelists, and nobody invades properly in bronze-gold.

MelledoneusFeb 2, 20172 votes

Op.gg is also known for having shitty stats.

PermabannedGarenFeb 2, 20172 votes

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hes just been hidden behind vi.

hes still broken lol.

http://lolalytics.com/champion/Hecarim/Jungle/

You sure? Because his performance dropped by quite a bit this patch.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 2, 20171 votes

Okay p/b status: vi, kha zix, leblanc, katarina, rengar, jayce for several patches now but hecarim is a problem? The CoC and jungle nerfs at once made him way more vulnerable to counterjungling. He is still viable-good but when riot puts out the nerf bat once again on him we won't see him for the rest of the season most likely.

McFatalFeb 2, 20171 votes

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Okay p/b status: vi, kha zix, leblanc, katarina, rengar, jayce for several patches now but hecarim is a problem? The CoC and jungle nerfs at once made him way more vulnerable to counterjungling. He is still viable-good but when riot puts out the nerf bat once again on him we won't see him for the rest of the season most likely.

All of them are a problem. What makes u think I sided with the others? This is a thread about hecarim .

Hecarim is broken u keep lying to yourself to collect some freelo tho my dude .

WoonStruckFeb 2, 20172 votes

Twitch?

Or did he drop off for some reason already? Haven't played in a while.

xWatersFeb 2, 20171 votes

I think he is being bullied hard in lane because of the lethality buffs. MF, jhin, and lucian are back. Don't quote me on this though I'm only Bronze 1 :(.

WoonStruckFeb 2, 20173 votes

Lethality buffs will be turned around at some point, most likely.

74 total lethality you can get.

Some champions only get ~80 base armor. +45 from Zhonya's in those cases means only ~33% damage reduction, despite spending 900g on armor.

That's not including Black Cleaver or LW items.

BC, assuming no armor from runes, would leave them with ~14 total armor. LW, assuming no armor from runes, would leave them with ~26 total armor.

On tanks/bruisers, assuming ~90 base armor, 200 becomes 66 for BC. 300 becomes 136.

For LW, 200 becomes 77. 300 becomes 132.

Armor pen was a bigger issue when there was less available. Changing Lethality from 40+60% to 60+40% makes it as good as old armor pen, but scale much better.

This was a big mistake on Riot's part.

KynamiFeb 2, 20171 votes

I have recently picked back up MF. After that patch I walk into lane at level one with 21 lethality resulting in ~13 armor bypass. By the time I finish my first item Youmuu's I have around 45 lethality operating at near 35 bypass for that period of the game (because I go Cunning for Precision + TLords) at which point you just go pick up cleaver to bring CDR to 30% and then decide if you want to mix in crit or not.

But basically 2 lethality items + runes and mastery for ~60 lethality + Black Cleaver + LDR/Mortal Reminder + zerk greaves + life steal item which is possibly a Bork for improved health stacking removal since you are ignoring 180+ armor anyways. The fact I get to remove 65% of their armor and then bypass another sixty of what remains afterwards removes absolutely immense gold value from opponent defensive itemization. Opponents are basically required to have 2+ armor items to have any armor at all.

sobi999Feb 2, 20172 votes

Is it me or does ziggs do alot more damage than what you would expect from his AOE abilities?

NastyMcOutplayFeb 2, 20171 votes

Patch 5.15 was the best

CanastusFeb 2, 20171 votes

You're missing at least 17 more champs and the removal of the current snowballing mechanics to make this game somewhat balanced again, otherwise you'll only get "open mid" after 9-10 mins. Also let's not forget the dire need for 10 bans on live servers.