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No Planned Fiora Nerfs?

Guy Fox Teemo··11 votes·1,108 views

I honestly don't know how people don't find her ridiculous, her sustain is so dam oppressive (Her vitals have zero cd).

She's great in teamfights due to being hard to catch because of mobility and her immunity W Her ult (Even though nerfed) still provides insane amounts of healing. (IT SCALES WITH AD, WTF) And her Q, is spammable (-60% CD , it auto locks on targets)

Can't we make her have a defined weakness? She's a great duelist, and she should be, but she shouldn't be great at EVERYTHING else.

She's meh with mana problems, (Only for like lvls 1-3) She's not easy to catch out. She has a very reliable escape. She doesn't get countered by CC (Unless you stack like 5 stuns/roots, but that counters any champion) She doesn't get countered by Burst She doesn't get countered by long fights She's not weak early She's not weak mid game She's not weak late game Her E steriod is great, because it resets autos Does fine in teamfights Great Split pusher

I honestly cannot think of a "Real Weakness" she has, she's not bad at anything, of course she's not "Great" at everything, but theres no point in the game, where she's bad, she's consistent through the entire game, and has huge snowball potential.

Maybe make her ult only heal her teammates for half? Or the Q cd reduction changed to 45% instead of 60%? W lasting only .5 Seconds? E not reseting autos?

She needs some nerfs you can't argue with that.

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Baby Ghoul4 votes

The new Fiora actually has less snowball potential then the old Fiora. That was a necessary sacrifice for her utility power. She also does not really fall off so hard if she loses lane though. She's at a happy medium now.

Make no mistake Fiora is countered by burst damage. All DPS champions are. I've been a Fiora main for years, so while you're accusing others of not being honest with themselves, I think you should take a look at your statements as well. More than a few were hyperbolic or untrue. Her early game is far from the best in the game, and that's pretty easy to exploit IMO when I'm playing against her. Her parry is fine, and it works the way it should. It's a difficult ability to use correctly unless your opponent is predictable, and the reward for getting it is quite high.

I think they could do with slight increases in cooldowns and mana costs, and making her ultimate heal teammates less. However I have to disagree with a lot of what some of you like to say over and over around here. Fiora is a tricky champion to balance because she does require a high degree of skill to play. You cannot just pick this champion or build this item against her. A lot of us in lower ELOs(Bronze-Gold) rely simply on that. If the Fiora is more skilled than you are, then she's going to work around that. Going up against a Fiora is all about making the right calls and exploiting her mistakes, and after playing against her a lot recently in blind pick, is not asking a lot of you. 90 percent of Fioras I've been against have been a piece of cake to lane against, and it's similar with Riven in that way. When you come across one that has more experience, then it can be very challenging. I enjoy that though.

Guy Fox Teemo3 votes

I... How is fiora hard to play? You just run around Q'ing and hitting vitals, (Your Q auto hits them). 2-3 Games on her and your set. Not much to Fiora that makes her mechanically difficult to play. She's also VERY forgiving, as she can out duel anyone soon as she hits 6 even if she fucks up in lane hard (LIke Irelia)

Baby Ghoul2 votes

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I... How is fiora hard to play? You just run around Q'ing and hitting vitals, (Your Q auto hits them). 2-3 Games on her and your set. Not much to Fiora that makes her mechanically difficult to play. She's also VERY forgiving, as she can out duel anyone soon as she hits 6 even if she fucks up in lane hard (LIke Irelia)

Your opponent should not attack you while vitals are facing you, if you're doing that, then that's on you. Do you just expect a Fiora to not take up the chance to duel you? What you should be doing is walking back and resetting the vitals when you can, only dueling her on your own terms. I see so many people letting Fiora get in free vital hits all the time, and then complaining about her later. It's not so difficult to deny her vitals from time to time. You can even bait her out using the vitals.

I have been playing Fiora for years, and I've played dozens of games against the new Fiora since the rework which was almost 3 months ago. You better believe I started playing as her and against her as soon as the rework came out. She's not my only main, so I have played against her a lot.

Fiora is not as forgiving as Irelia, and do you know why? Irelia hits a massive power spike when she finishes Trinity Force. Her synergy with that item is what allows her to duel carries after a mediocre laning phase, including Fiora. Try again.

Being hyperbolic and saying that Fiora doesn't require skill to play is just not going to help out in balancing. It's just going to become more noise. It tells me that you haven't really played against Fiora that much, and that you haven't ever played as her which is something you need to do when talking about balancing a champion.

Pluie Battante1 votes

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Baby Ghoul2 votes

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1>vitals have no cooldown, plus her gap closer/chase ability is strong; although by your logic I should sit under tower and miss exp/gold cause "lol vitalsssz"

3>You try again. The moment she gets hydra you practically can't solo her; and with this seasons nerfed towers she can dive you at 6.

4>I stated yet again her cooldowns, and ability to parry PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. Is an issue; why? Because on top of being immune upon usage, if crowd control is applied it stuns the target. So on top of the immunity, she has a dash which practically reset if she hits anything, a slow bigger/wider then a Yasuo Q, then immunity that stuns; which can do up to a maximum of 250 damage. BUT NOPEEEEE, no issues what's so ever.

That's not using logic, that's being dramatic and having poor reading comprehension skills. You only have to move back a tiny bit to move a vital reset, it's literally not hard to do at all. I do it all the time, and so do other people. Nobody ever told you to sit under your tower and lose XP, please tell me where that was said.

Fioras do not build Hydra first, that's a clear indication of what I am talking about, you have never played her, nor have you ever analyzed Fiora. That is seriously something so basic. They build Tiamat, and then Hydra late game. So no, you try again.

Riposte is pretty easy to dodge, and it roots her in place. 0.75 sec. That's a small window to act. I notice you neglect to mention those things each time, care to elaborate why? It requires timing and positioning to work. If she screws it up, which happens frequently, then it's very easy to go in and punish her. It's an outplay skill that nobody relies on. Apparently the Fioras you are against are just parrying everything, every time, perfectly left and right. They must be robots.

Pluie Battante1 votes

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Baby Ghoul1 votes

Are you serious? You need to get a hold of yourself dude. It looks like you broke a bit there, and went into the most disgusting personal rant.

So let me get this straight, you're going a tiny bit back to reset the vital behind you, but she dashes behind you and procs the re-spawned vital, then gets away without taking any damage? That's funny. It's a short dash, but apparently it's the longest lunge in the world. That's normally when you're supposed to duel her. That's when I do. A free vital hit is when she dashes to hit one in front of her. When she needs to dash behind you to hit it opens her up to being locked down and taking hits, from not only you, but minion fire. That lunge does not put her out of range, and she puts herself at risk when she does come behind you early on. Later in the game it's not usually a problem.

She is exactly rooted in place during riposte. She cannot move from her spot, stop making things up to make. Funny how you're calling others illiterate, but you can't even spell her ability right. Fiora has nothing in common with Yi anymore, so save that gross rant for somewhere else. Jesus you're not only foaming at the mouth like an animal, but you're not even making sense anymore. Don't have a debate with someone if you can't be press pause on your disgusting rants and be honest with yourself. It's sad.

People like you are always going to lose against Fiora, or any champion that is challenging. Even if they shaved off her numbers to nothing, you'd continue to lose because you know nothing about her kit (as you just demonstrated by incorrectly stating build order and over embellishing her abilities), and instead of learning it, you choose to be hyperbolic, insulting, gross, and just a pain have around. We all have champions we hate to play against, but you don't see us making things up or embellishing and neglecting to mention caveats. That's all you've done here besides insult people. There's no use trying to have a conversation with you because all you do is insult people who disagree with you and point out where you're clearly wrong. Please move on.

Pluie Battante1 votes

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The Sword Saint2 votes

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I'm not gonna bother at this point as I'm probably gonna repeat me self. Although you should've been swallowed.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Sasogwa4 votes

"Fiora is weak early" is a myth. She's as good as most toplaners earlygame and only somewhat loses to insane lanebullies.

Weiner the Pooh3 votes

Yeah man lets nerf everything that makes her any good. Q gets a 10% decrease on hitting targets, doesn't apply on hit affects and u have to hit them with if like a vi q, w only last .25 seconds and only blocks aa's e is 25% as for one hit and doesn't auto reset, ult scales 25% ap and the challenge only last 3 seconds. Passive has a 25 second cd and can't be reduced by cdr. Base ms lowered to 300, base ad is 25, 0 base mr and armor and only scales half as well with cdr. Or you could realize that she is weak early and can be bullied and that she gets fucked over with qss.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

I smell a Fiora main.

Pluie Battante1 votes

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Weiner the Pooh2 votes

Lol. For one I also play a lot of Braum, Caitlyn, and J4 and until they gutted her, Sejuani. Im simply learning Annie.

And there is a reason you shud be able to parry all of those, it has a high cd, and it doesn't even last a second and without it she would die so fast. That's like saying Jax should only dodge melee autos because it's hard to dodge bullets. Just FYI both Sivir's and Nocturnes's spell shields last longer and they don't root them.

BTW my first post wasn't even towards you, it was to the OP.

Bleediss3 votes

i main fiora and know that if we can tone down her numbers a bit she'll be fine

SwapShadows3 votes

Anyone who thinks Fiora doesn't need massive nerfs has no idea lol

Ralanr2 votes

The heal does seem kinda ridiculous. It healed more than Sion death punches. She just stood there as I wailed on her.

Funnily enough I did beat her in lane. She has as many deaths as she did kills and I got her tower first.

fééd l0rd1 votes

Played against her today and killed her over and over in lane with yasuo. in the lategame she killed me 1v1. I received 1000 true damage from her. so balanced wow. I hate that new fiora stays relevant after getting dumped on in lane.

I would love to see people crying if this would be the same with riven, yasuo or others.

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