My opinion on ryze's 4th rework as a former ryze main

Ahristocats··22 votes·6,079 views

Ryze was indeed reworked 4 times, the last one was the worst ever and let's see what riot intends to give him:

passive: basically his first passive he ever had. His first passive used to convert AP into mana, and mana into AP like vlad but with mana instead of HP. Now his new passive adds a mana ratio into his spells, and converts AP into mana. This keeps ryze's identity since he is the only mage that directly scales with mana.

Q: now has more decision making, it's the same as the previous one except that casting Q after an other spells gives you a shield and bonus ms, but if you cast an other spells before your Q you lose one Q since you can't refresh the duration. casting a spell after Q causes his Q to be refreshed.

W: same

E: spell flux has also more decision making since it empowers his spells on the targets hit by spell flux.

R: if i understood, it's a TF ulti that also takes team mates with less range and cannot be cast if you're alone, i don't know what to think of this ulti honestly but AT LEAST it's better then the boring old one that we had for years, pressing R and having free stats.

congratulation to the design team, you made ryze more interesting, less role your face on your keyboard, but i don't know if you solved the problem that ryze had for 7 years. His problem was always: -being tanky as hell and deals shit tons of damage -being useless because of his range

and i don't see how it was fixed since you gave him his first passive.

44 Comments

Wolfeur16 votes

You can cast your ult alone. What they said by "no self-cast" is that you can't cast the ult on yourself since it would make the spell a TP from your location to the same location. Also, you can cast spells while the ult is channeling.

A Ocean2 votes

"No self-cast" is actually a hidden reference to the Legendary Ryze Flash, a famous video where a low-level Ryze flashes in place and gets a kill because the enemy took aggro from his creep wave. Realistically, preventing a self-cast would be nonsense for an AoE.

taleofsonata16 votes

I love the new Ryze Rework. Can't wait for the one Next Year. :D

OurLestrade7 votes

Still against these gimmicky non-combat ults that we've been seeing constantly as of late. Hell, plenty of them are more likely to screw your team over and get them screaming at you than succeed :/

Verdade4 votes

I love them. There's nothing as good as Taliyah walling off half of map when your team does Baron. They either flash it or you have uncontested baron, and if they do flash it, i bet it's going to divide the team and cost them ALOT.

Wheatloaf5 votes

Get your pansy utility ultimates out of my game. I tell you, what we need back is every ult in the game dealing damage, that's what we need. And it will be great.

#MakeLeagueGreatAgain

EDIT: Is it that hard to believe a guy with the username Bermeme Sanders is referencing trump as sarcasm?

bill841 votes

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Tychusfindlay9191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bermeme Sanders,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5zu0g6Xr,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-06-28T22:58:24.937+0000)

Get your pansy utility ultimates out of my game. I tell you, what we need back is every ult in the game dealing damage, that's what we need. And it will be great.

#MakeLeagueGreatAgain

EDIT: Is it that hard to believe a guy with the username Bermeme Sanders is referencing trump as sarcasm?

Nah there's a place for utility ults.

We still have raw power ultimates anyways: Darius Zed Veigar Malzahar so on

Wheatloaf1 votes

The reason we're getting so many utility ults now is because for the longest time Riot just didn't make them. I honestly think they've been pretty cool.

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Well since we have something like 100 champions with combat ults we're kinda running out of room =P

I'm personally enjoying the utility ults.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

Voidrey1 votes

my guess is that they want put in more strategy in league. besides Illaoi and Aurelion do a lot of damage in their ults

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Technically, Illaoi does a lot of damage with her passive. XD

Voidrey1 votes

true, but its even more painful when your entire team is surrounded by 5 tentacles and any others that are around.

Lying From You4 votes

I'm also a Ryze main and his new kit is pretty cool but I disagree with you about his ult I don't think it fit well and honestly anything else than a simple teleport would have been better.

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

he didn't say that his ulti fit well tbh.

Hige8 votes

anything else? what about armor pen? lul

killd0zer4 votes

Ha fun fact.

Waaaaaaay back, Kassadin's W used to steal mana. When they phased mana burn out of the game, Kassadin's W needed to be changed, but Kass was in a pretty strong spot at the time, so they couldn't just give a strong buff.

Instead, they made the active give Kass increased Armor pen, to 1. Remove mana burn without buffing Kass, and 2. Open alternate playstyles, such as the unpopular and niche AD Kass. At Rank 5 I think it gave like 50 Armor Pen.

Hige1 votes

haha I remember that! thing was that Kass' passive also gave attack speed :P so it kiiiiiind of made sense, kiiiiiind of XD

killd0zer3 votes

Other thing to keep in mind is Lichbane used to deal physical damage and it scaled with 100% ability power, AND endgame ability power numbers used to have higher potential back in those days. XD

Justin01 votes

Yeah I main ryze too and I like the new ult better than the old, although the aoe was nice. The new ult brings teamfighting to a new level in my opinion.

Zarkkast3 votes

R can be cast if he's alone. It just can't be self-casted, meaning he can't teleport to where he is.

ModCaptainMårvelous3 votes

A better comparison to Ryze's ult is Pitlord from DoTA. Ryze's has a faster cooldown and shorter cast time but has an insanely shorter range (Global at all ranks for Pitlord vs. 1500/3000 for Ryze)

That said, I think the ratios will matter most for Ryze. If Mana ratios are too good he'll just build massive mana items while, if the AP is good, he can build AP which feeds back into his mana. He also lost the spellvamp so no unseen sustain/tankiness from spellvamping off massive spell AoE.

As for range, I think that's what they aim to be his weakness. Sorta like how if you keep Vlad at arm's reach he's miserable.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

wait, his passives convert AP into mana, or mana into AP?

edit: AP into mana

Grunt6663 votes

[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5zu0g6Xr,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-06-28T18:55:57.087+0000)

Ryze was indeed reworked 4 times, the last one was the worst ever and let's see what riot intends to give him:

passive: basically his first passive he ever had. His first passive used to convert AP into mana, and mana into AP like vlad but with mana instead of HP. Now his new passive adds a mana ratio into his spells, and converts AP into mana. This keeps ryze's identity since he is the only mage that directly scales with mana.

Q: now has more decision making, it's the same as the previous one except that casting Q after an other spells gives you a shield and bonus ms, but if you cast an other spells before your Q you lose one Q since you can't refresh the duration. casting a spell after Q causes his Q to be refreshed.

W: same

E: spell flux has also more decision making since it empowers his spells on the targets hit by spell flux.

R: if i understood, it's a TF ulti that also takes team mates with less range and cannot be cast if you're alone, i don't know what to think of this ulti honestly but AT LEAST it's better then the boring old one that we had for years, pressing R and having free stats.

congratulation to the design team, you made ryze more interesting, less role your face on your keyboard, but i don't know if you solved the problem that ryze had for 7 years. His problem was always: -being tanky as hell and deals shit tons of damage -being useless because of his range

and i don't see how it was fixed since you gave him his first passive.

Not sure how anyone on this planet can possibly think Ryze new ult is in any way shape or form a interesting or balanced ability as it stands. Hi i will TP my entire team to your back line. It has to be the worst design choice of all time.

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

Has a very short range and a very very long CD. It'll make for some cool plays and it also has a channel so you can't teleport directly on top of the team without them womboing the area the moment you land

Lirik2 votes

there is only one sentence that made it strange for me "i don't know if you solved the problem that ryze had for 7 years."

7 years.... and this game is now worst than the first 3 years of it existence... hummmmm oh yeah, i quit for this reason.

UsiTsukino1 votes

And i've tried to play Ryze, because he was the champion I took when I was new at League (tutorial and stuff).

But every time I see his range, I'm like "Eeew." and start playing other mages .__.

I'm interested in him, but ... range happens ... >__<

I wanted to use him in mid lane, but he's a top champ... Meh, top... I don't know what's happening with him anymore T_T I enjoy him in aram. But I wanted to go with him in SR. D;

tXQbsPrjN51 votes

Riot's incompetent. If the swain ult change and the malz w change weren't enough within the last month at a certain point after 6 years you'd think they'd be able to get ryze right, but nope. Whose sejuani? Dunno.

tzxxTjM8FA2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brandon Heat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5zu0g6Xr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-28T19:05:37.150+0000)

Riot's incompetent. If the swain ult change and the malz w change weren't enough within the last month at a certain point after 6 years you'd think they'd be able to get ryze right, but nope. Whose sejuani? Dunno.

Winrates/Playrates (In a champion's most played role): Aatrox - 47.42% / .6% Heimerdinger - 48.66% / .6% JarvanIV - 48.78% / 2.11% Jayce - 49.02% / 1.41% Kalista - 46.31% / 2.28% (2 months ago she was in the top 5 of the ADC's. Now, you get shit on if you try to play her) Mordekaiser - 48.27% / .49% Nunu - 45.38% / .58% Renekton - 48.19% / 5.28% Urgot - 51.7% / .3% (The lowest playrate of any champion) Yorick - 46.27% / .5% Syndra - 48.34% / 4.09%

Oh, and here's Sejuani for measure! Sejuani - 51.92% / 3.87% She's rated 19/48 in overall role placement. That's top 40%, which is really good compared to a lot of junglers right now (see: Nunu, Aatrox, Jarvan)

There are plenty of champions as underplayed as Sejuani who have their own kit and balance issues. I don't see you bitching about half the champions shat out of the water by the recent changes. Sejuani is actually a champion who can do really well in this current meta, considering she is a tank who can do good damage if you build right, and has a massive AoE hard CC ult. You just don't wanna play anything other than what's super strong and overly played, along with everyone else in this game.

tXQbsPrjN51 votes

I've been playing malz since season 1 so I dunno what kind of trash you're smoking

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

The only thing you can do to fixe ryze is to give him a situational dash, literally can't see how else you would make him able to be a viable mid instead of a ranged top laner bullying everything every time he is viable.

remember when he had a SUPER long range? 700 on his Q/W/E (or 650 on his Q i don't remember) then they started to reduce his range every time, at the end of season 3 they reduced it to 600 and boom, he got olafed, BUT WAIT, he then went top and was broken once again.

Voidrey1 votes

I think that situational dash is what tried to do with his ultimate, since it can go pretty quickly

invisiblecat11 votes

I do not like the ult since it can't be self cast and feels out of place

Voidrey1 votes

you can teleport by yourself, its just that you cant teleport to the exact same place you are now. also I think that the its suppose to compensate for some range problems he had before

Chess11 votes

his w is the problem its a point and click root not to mention its duration can be doubled.

Arakadia1 votes

The duration being doubled might be fine. If the root starts at .35 then the double root is only .7 which is not bad. I don't know the actuall numbers but doubling the effect isn't necesarilly bad.

Chess11 votes

{quoted}

The duration being doubled might be fine. If the root starts at .35 then the double root is only .7 which is not bad. I don't know the actuall numbers but doubling the effect isn't necesarilly bad.

im pretty sure it stil lgoes up in levels though so it could be a 2 second point and click root

Bladerunner77771 votes

My only question is: Can I still faceroll?

Erockandroll2 votes

{quoted}

My only question is: Can I still faceroll?

Looking at his kit, I'm not sure, at the very least, he doesn't seem like the machine gun mage that he has been. His E-Q would likely still be decent since E has a much shorter CD now, but his W is much more manageable with Cooldowns, since it has less interaction with his other abilities.

[{quoted}](name=Gandalf Ryze,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5zu0g6Xr,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-06-28T21:54:24.452+0000)

I'm also a Ryze main and his new kit is pretty cool but I disagree with you about his ult I don't think it fit well and honestly anything else than a simple teleport would have been better.

I think it's still better than his old ult. Desperate power pretty much turned him into a stats check. But this new ult allows for some more decision making. Particularly since it can bring allies with him.

Bladerunner77772 votes

{quoted} I think it's still better than his old ult. Desperate power pretty much turned him into a stats check. But this new ult allows for some more decision making. Particularly since it can bring allies with him.

I think it goes well with his "rogue mage" theme similar to how tf's ult let's him "cheat", but I don't understand the "bring ur friends" aspect of the new Ryze ult but I'm glad it's unique

Voidrey1 votes

Actually now he's the Rune Mage. but I guess it still fits him since he now pretty much hate all of humanity

JerulEon1 votes

Not really but kinda. Depending on your skill order, Flux can do either AOE damage or single target lockdown in tandem with his Q and W. Now you have to choose instead of just facing rolling with the old R. He still does a shit-ton of damage with just a tear and a catalyst tho. XD

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

I think they've partially fixed the tanky-yet-still-deals-impossible-dps thing by tying a shield to his Q. He can do EW or WE followed by Q for a shield, but if he does that he sacrifices a couple of Q resets. He has to choose between a defensive combo and a couple of different offensive combos.

https://i.imgur.com/1HvNiEO.png?noredirect

Solari Fortune1 votes

You can cast the ult solo

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