How are people complaing about lb, kalista, and ekko when this guy exists...

BeatinWarDrumz·Jun 21, 2015·25 votes·2,881 views

I'm sorry, but if you main fizz... i have 0 respect for u like, none What doesnt this guy have?? 0.65 AP RATIO ON AUTOS WHILE E IS ACTIVE??? 1.0 AP RATIO + DMG BOOST WITH ULTI? TANKINESS?? Straight up, i dare u to name one of fizz's weaknesses compare his ratios to tf: if tf lands his qw and gets e proc, he deals 1.65 ap damage If fizz lands his full combo and uses 2 autos, he will do nearly 3.0 ap ratio... + cc, DOTs, gap closer, and this is without lichbane! add in his complete lack of counterplay if he can land his "skillshot" ulti...

62 Comments

PanwarJun 21, 201515 votes

Why are you comparing a melee assassin with a ranged utility mage with a near global presence?

Nameless VoiceJun 21, 201510 votes

Because the existence of one badly designed champion doesn't excuse the existence of others.

People complain about those other champions because they are picked much more often. You don't see Fizz much, so people have somewhat forgotten how little counterplay his low-cooldown untargetability has.

Ace Access Jun 21, 20151 votes

you forgot his high burst dmg

A Miss FortuneJun 21, 20151 votes

Remember the old Fizz before the AP and AD nerfs.

Just get level 3, blow up the enemy team with nothing but a Flask.

Jeddy017Jun 21, 20151 votes

It's funny to say he was somewhat forgotten since he is quite often pick in the E-sports scene. But I can see how that may not count since the pros often build him as a tank rather then displaying the nightmare of a full AP Fizz.

Nameless VoiceJun 21, 20151 votes

I feel that AD bruiser / tanky Fizz is much less frustrating to play against because he doesn't deal massive burst damage before instantly becoming untargetable. At least you have time to do something against a bruiser Fizz before you are deleted.

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20151 votes

lol that's not what the bronzes/silvers on this board said.

They said AD/tank Fizz was cancer and more OP than AP Fizz.

Lol ok.

Have fun getting deleted if you misposition, with the definition of misposition being anywhere not touching a tank or support, or getting 100-0'ed as full tank thanks to missing %HP damage.

Nameless VoiceJun 21, 20151 votes

I don't know, just from my own personal experience I found him much less frustrating because it took him much longer to apply his damage unless he was really fed.

But I don't play top very much, so I don't really know what he's like to lane against when he's playing AD-tanky up there. I was only talking about in general from the perspective of the jungler or other lanes.

BluePolarizerJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz is laughably easy to lane against at top. He has no poke, no sustain, and can only all-in. But he also uses mana. Why would you pick Fizz over Riven or Fiora?

Cosmic CocaineJun 21, 20157 votes

Weakness? PFFFF. FIZZ'S WEAKNESSES ARE LIKE ORIGINAL JOKES. They don't exist. The only time I've EVER killed a Fizz consistently is....you probably guessed it. He dashed into Heimerdinger's damage dorito.

Yxgl222HaXJun 21, 20151 votes

meh i kill fizz with zed pretty easily. Just dodge or qss the shark, or just build a hex drinker. His melle means nothing to a zed cuz you will win in a melle fight anyway. As long as you play with the fact that he has a high burst in mind and counter build/ counter champ play its fine. Never had a problem with him unless another lane feeds him to high hell. But anyones op if fed. - on a side note i dont know if qss still works on the shark i havnt played that match up in a good while- but i know the shield from a hexdrinker still works wonders

Only Play DariusJun 21, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed or Feed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5fT4Uet4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-06-21T06:14:37.280+0000)

Never had a problem with him unless another lane feeds him to high hell

I could say the same about Leblanc . I don't have a problem dealing with her in lane, but I usually ban her if i'm not going mid, because someone else ALWAYS feeds her and good luck fighting a 7/0 LB.

Davy CrockettJun 21, 20151 votes

This is why I stopped playing TF mid against LeBlink.

Sona PingJun 21, 20153 votes

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meh i kill fizz with zed pretty easily. "Zed"

Found the reason for that.

Only Play DariusJun 21, 20157 votes

Lmao when did you start playing League? Because you certainly never saw Season 4 pre-nerf AP Fizz if you're crying about him now.

Now ^that, that was some toxic bullshit. Fizz is fine right now.

BeatinWarDrumzJun 21, 20152 votes

uhh actaully im on a smurf i was around for that...

Poorly DressedJun 21, 20155 votes

He has a terrible laning phase with super high mana costs on E? Other than that i agree, he can snowball super hard and is obnoxious as f if someone is semi competent at Fizz. Personally i think Riven is way more broken.

SlipperyJun 21, 20153 votes

{quoted} TANKINESS??

nope

SlipperyJun 21, 20155 votes

Straight up, i dare u to name one of fizz's weaknesses

A couple I could think off

Mana cost is super high on his E so he can only cast it a couple times before he's oom
Most pathetic laning phase ever unless he kills you
No you aren't able to 1v5 penta kill in the enemy fountain with just a sheen like alot of people think

OhthePiplupJun 21, 20154 votes

Most pathetic laning phase ever unless he kills you #unless he kills you

If he can kill you its not a bad lanephase lmao

WalkingInACircleJun 21, 20152 votes

He's single target melee. Mostly single target at any rate.

Theres tons of single target melee champs with crushingly powerful stuff in their kits. But the fact is they have to put themselves in harm's way to do anything, and even they only do anything to one target. And they're sooo vulnerable to AoE and CC while they do it, and have to itemize offense and defense.

BeatinWarDrumzJun 21, 20153 votes

yeah, well, he nearly has the dps of an adc with nashors and his ult will usually hit at least 2 and his e is aoe too... Hes not vuln to cc, he just trollpoles + zhonyas and then his q, and w are back up EDIT: I do not play Fizz, sorry about the inclusion of nashors (just seemed like a good idea)

SlipperyJun 21, 20151 votes

Why would you build nashors...

Davy CrockettJun 21, 20151 votes

Attack speed and CDR. Seems like a good idea.

Sona PingJun 21, 20151 votes

{quoted}

But the fact is they have to put themselves in harm's way to do anything

Fish's E. Which is probably the reason why he garner's so much criticism. I say "probably" because that just so happens to also be the reason why Zed got so much criticism and is now the reason why Echo is getting it.

Baby GhoulJun 21, 20152 votes

I'm surprised people are so upset about Kalista TBH.

Ghost MonsterJun 21, 20152 votes

It's because she counters the tank meta so hard. If we were back in an assassin meta where people could kill her with one gap closer people wouldn't think she was OP.

Sona PingJun 21, 20151 votes

It's not even "tank-meta"; she was around before that and people still had relevant issues with her. And it's not just with the passive but with the fact that all of her abilities are just copies of other champions, except better because CTD.

Aeolian MelodiesJun 21, 20152 votes

try getting to her, you'll understand

Baby GhoulJun 21, 20151 votes

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try getting to her, you'll understand

I used to play her.

1 800 MID LANEJun 21, 20151 votes

You don't know the half of it... Syndra

Yosuke ApperuJun 21, 20151 votes

Meanwhile nautilus full combo... .75+two autos from w so .80 + .60 + .80 =2.95 + plus that first auto roots you, the q is a pull, w gives a massive shield... e slows you... and ulti is a knock up.. if you trickster away from one of his forms of cc the others will get you xD nautilus will destroy fizz hands down :3

Left Hook LarryJun 21, 20151 votes

LOL did you seriously just say Fizz is more broken than LB, Ekko, etc? Fizz is terrible right now compared to them. He relies everything on landing his shark and his laning is weak.

warpenguin555Jun 21, 20151 votes

Ya Fizz is very poorly designed. Even met a few Fizz mains who agree with me.

BakedLotionJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz's weakness is that he doesnt have range. h4h4h4h4 According to riot.

Aeolian MelodiesJun 21, 20151 votes

He doesn't have tankiness. He has the ability to dodge dmg altogether.

I do despise the fact that new Fizz can still wreck a squishy with ease if he builds bruiser - awful design imo, at least old Fizz needed to build full dmg - but that doesn't make champs like Ekko balanced.

macromiteJun 21, 20151 votes

fizz's weakness: Mordekaiser lane into him and laugh.

SouL1essJun 22, 20151 votes

Fizz can beat morde. Requires some skill but he can. Max W and win.

macromiteJun 22, 20151 votes

anyone can beat anyone, its just a matter of skill and knowledge. if the players are on an even playing field, Morde will win 80% of the time.

ChaosThiefJun 21, 20151 votes

I tried playing fizz yesterday, and that ult... FUCK THAT ULT.

Out of like, 25 ults, I landed a grand total of... 2 or 3. I really don't want to play fizz again just because I can't land one lousy skillshot.

The WhamboozlerJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz's weakness is that the sheer power of playing Fizz makes you so cocky that sometimes you'll see something coming at you and just forget to press E because you're pretty sure you're invulnerable all the time.

Curling VeigarJun 21, 20151 votes

ap fizz is never going to be truly 'balanced'

Meep ManJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz's weakness? He has no poke.

A Miss FortuneJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz just needs to be reworked, after multiple hard nerfs he's still one of the most overpowered, and annoying champions in the game to play. No, he doesn't have a high skill base either. His one actual skillshot his ult, hit's for itself and it's harder to miss it than to hit it.

HaestroJun 21, 20151 votes

It's probably only a matter of time that Riot gets to Fizz. He sees a lot of play in both the mega tank as well as full ap build. And then you see on Bjergsen's stream that IWD misses every fish and still solo kills his opponent.

3TWarriorJun 21, 20151 votes

"skillshot" being a relative term considering it has a large area of effect sticky bomb

but I believe the answer to this dilemma is to buff TWISTED FATE ! XD

at max cooldown reduction, he gets what other mages consider "normal" cooldowns on his most powerful ability and only offensive spell

sure, he can nuke a team pretty hard if he actually gets to hit them uninterrupted, but it feels so nasty when people can just walk up and steal your kill because your entire offense is on cooldown or you have to be in auto range as a mage, something not that fun to do unless you KNOW there is only one opponent

as it stands at the moment, some champions can push TF out of lane 100% of the time, he can't support, I don't even want to attempt learning to jungle with him because that should never happen, his ADC days are behind him. His pick a card doesn't even reset his auto attack XD as most other on-hit effects would

he's also one of the only mages that has trouble against every type of matchup...most melee and tank characters are too touch for him to wittle down before they get in range

oh well, this thread isn't about Twisted, but they brought it up XD

TNHA BaritoneJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz is horrible to deal with against mid lane mages (Lux, Veigar, Swain, TF, Syndra, ETC..) They all have that one crucial skill that they must land before comboing and Fizz can just go untargetable, jump twice, land on them, and do tons of damage. Once his troll pole is down (If Fizz takes Morrello and CDR boots, you need to pray cause that ability will never go off cooldown) you should engage. He is similar to Ekko in my opinion. They both have the untargetable thing....except...Fizz doesn't heal...nor does he stun or shield himself.....Hmm.. Fizz needs some changes...but I would rather the one now...before the season 4 one

BârdJun 21, 20151 votes

Fizz got the absolute shit nerfed out of him, and now people are finding a way to play him again.

Its what we call "The cycle of Kha'Zix"

SenpandaJun 21, 20151 votes

I'll never understand how fizz's E makes him un targetable, If im playing caitlyn, and i see him jump onto his poll, how the hell am i not able to put a bullet in his ass hen he's just sitting there? it's not like he's moving or anything

Sugar MantisJun 22, 20151 votes

Fizz is easily my least favorite champion. Its damn near impossible to cc him, and with the recent changes he can be built as a burst tank who is, wait for it, impossible to cc. Lets face it, his e makes him difficult to play against. Zhonyas doesnt help when hes building ap. And when hes a tank I hate seeing qss and/or banshees veil on him.

I understand he has a high skill cap, but that doesnt mean he should have such a high reward... You have to use a stun to mess him up, but if you dont kill him fast enough its useless. Maybe a higher cd on his e, and slightly lower scaling, nothing too big.