And make zephyr build out of brutalizer? Zephyr is an item that is rarely if EVER built (maybe as a replacement for boots hyper late game on adcs) and brutalizer only builds into youmuus now, which kinda sucks. I dont know what the stats should be - just throwing it out there.
Darkwind66 voteswas really hoping that this was a thread about 
killing 
HayRoss22 votesI was going to say 
Killing
Darkwind10 votesbro, have you even met galio's parents?
LaoBushido2 votes on 
for me
ChaosThief1 votesBut Quinn isn't a bird, valor is.
gubigubi2 votes On every level except physical, I'm a bird. ...Squawk
Troll for Trump9 votesI don't like where this is going...
Mecha MaIphite4 votes rock solid
BluePolarizer11 votesSo basically something like this?
Zephyr 2800 gold Brutalizer + Pickaxe +60 AD +10 Armor Penetration +10% CDR UNIQUE Passive: Tenacity
Paletongue15 votesShould build out of brutalizer and Stinger, not a pickaxe anymore.
BluePolarizer26 votesSo something like:
Stinger+Brutalizer +30 AD +50% attack speed +10 Armor Pen. +20% CDR Tenacity
This looks like everything an AD caster champ would want.
Boxpencil1 voteswould be perfect for my Wukong <3
More armor penetration does help, not to mention the 20% CDR.
It'd almost be his core item :D
Ariel the Cruel4 votesValor Approves. Would be nice if Quinn could build Brutalizer again. It's such a great 1st item on her.
*(Still waiting on that Valor portrait, Riot!)
Chaotic Reks1 votesbut then we remember that one spooky shadow guy...
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
Meh.
RogueWill2 votesThen the champion that actually gets to use it will be so scary 
Prospector Pete4 votes
Phuc Dat Bich3 votesthen riven would build an early bruttalizer/cdr boots/zephyr and she will still have tenacity
Yeah i am not against your idea i am against that cancer champion that dosent allow us to have nice things~!
Du Ma Mi13 votesBut then we're also forcing a Riven to build attack speed... Her team will get mad because they don't understand, yell at her stuff like "Git goode scrub! Lern 2 amination cancle, dont need atk spd", she'll afk - because she's Riven, and your team will win. Problem solved.
Sir Yamazuki1 votesBut then we're also forcing a Riven to build attack speed... Her team will get mad because they don't understand, yell at her stuff like "Git goode scrub! Lern 2 amination cancle, dont need atk spd", she'll afk - because she's Riven, and your team will win. Problem solved.
Why would it then have attack speed if it's being built out of Pen and AD....? You can't just change the components and keep the final stats the same lol
Mongoose7 votesbecause brutalizer has pen and ad and stinger has attspd?
PePsiLemoNN3 votesOr just don't make 
be built with freakin' 
Chromatic Eagle2 votesHow does a mallet build into an axe?
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesWell you have to use a hammer to make it......
That's about as far as my reasoning got
kile1475 votesthey just put blades on the mallet head, why do you think it shreds armor? it's basically a mace really
HentRex1 votesSpeaking of maces Brutalizer- 1337 gp Pick Axe- 875 Combine - 988
Mace Of Malice - 3200 +70 Attack Damage +15% Cool Down +15 Armor Penetration
kile1471 votesWould be nice to have another 15% cdr item to match 
. I think that the 15 armor pen is weird though. It should either have 80 AD and 10 ArmPen or 50 AD and 20 ArmPen. The 20 ArmPen version would be a really strong first item on people like 
, whereas the 80 AD version would be a second item on people who tend to rush 
.
RetroRage963 votesHow does a wooden club build into a metal sword?
ninjaIRL 11 votesBrutalizer is actually a phallus.
DirkTarTar1 votes+1 Youmou's Ghost Penis
Mecha MaIphite5 votesHow would that give penetr-
Oh.
Transgressor1 votesNotice how the mallet has cracks? That's because it transforms, and the blades come out of those cracks. Compact, transformable, and affordable. Like my ex.
(I'm kidding I'm so fucking lonely)
Verxint1 votesHow does 
make 
's bullets more powerful?
Ariel the Cruel4 votesI don't know about you, but I'd be pretty dang terrified if a rock started shooting out swords. . . By default, it just shoots out light bulbs.
Jasiwel3 votesI like the idea, but It would be a major buff to a lot of champions that don't need that kind of buff. It'd also make selling Berserker Grieves practically mandatory at the end of the game, so every lategame ADC would have another 10 Armor Pen. Not a wonderful thing when they're stronger than other ADCs by default.
IMO, the biggest issue with your proposal is that it'd have to be tweaked in other spots to build from Brutalizer. I'd rather keep it as is, so we do not lose its Tenacity and unique stats.
DirkTarTar3 votesBecause what we want is a high AD item with Armor Pen AND Tenacity... Time to pick back up my 
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesOr maybe an ADC item can build out of Brutalizer in the Marksman update.
The Loveless2 votesBrut should build into a non-attack speed item.
HentRex2 votesBrutalizer- 1337 gp Pick Axe- 875 Combine - 988
Mace Of Malice - 3200 +70 Attack Damage +15% Cool Down +15 Armor Penetration
RisenDarkKnight1 votesI still think the haunting guise should have another build option. No one is complaining anymore, because liandry's has 80 ap now so it is a strong item, but only a few champions actually take full advantage of the burn, while a different set take advantage of the unlimited range flat magic pen (abyssal is good for the shorter range champs). Sure liandry's is great on zyra and vel koz and a few other champs, but it would be cool if there was another option out of haunting guise.
TTUPhoenix1 votesSomeone once suggested an AP TriForce that built from 
+ 
+
, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw.
RisenDarkKnight1 votesThat's sounds territfying. An item that gives ap, health , armor, magic resistance, and cc removal? I can't imagine any ap or ap/tank champion that wouldn't buy it.
TTUPhoenix1 votes
YOU GON GET THE Q
Samflash31 votesPersonally, I think Abyssal Scepter should be Haunting Guise + Negatron cloak with a passive like Fiddle's instead of the AoE shred..
Penta Penguin1 votesI'm guessing Zephyr's stats /effects will just be reworked entirely in the upcoming "Marksman Rework"
Transgressor1 votes:( there's so much stuff that's going to go wrong. Even Vayne nerfs will not be enough to hold the shitstorm back. We're going to have ADC dariuses(insane sustain) and garens(already reliable, cranked to 100), with the occasional ADC skarner mixed in thre, to skyrocket, get hated uppon, then fade into obscurity.
Penta Penguin1 votesI really doubt we'll have "sustain marksmen"
Sustain for marksmen has always been tied heavily to their items
Transgressor1 votesWere you ever thinking Darius would end up like that? Never say never, have faith in people's stupidity :D
Penta Penguin1 votesThere are perfectly good reasons why top-lane / fighters should have sustain, including the fact that many of them already did before Darius. In fact it's one of the biggest design points of top laners. It should have been no surprise that Darius got a heal.
NightOfLight1 votesBrutalizer does need more items to be built off of I was thinking maybe make it build out of essence reaver or something give it less ad some pen and keep the lifesteal I think it could be a decent item and may potentially be built more.
