And both refused to talk, refused to leave the lanes they were "roaming" to and both ran into lanes giving kills.
Get rid of this stupid autofill crap and give us back teambuilder, for the love of god Riot do SOMETHING right with this game
ChaosReyn15 votesHe's the new face of "off meta"
(in quotes because we all fucking know the difference between off-meta and griefing while claiming it's off-meta...)
As someone who frequently tries off-meta strategies, I fucking hate everything about that guy because of this.
Like, I get it - he powerballed Irelia. But after getting her ahead, he shoulda went back bot, because it was obvious Sivir was struggling and his goal of getting Irelia ahead was already accomplished. I know plenty of ways that his "strat" would've worked if it was an actual strat instead of just griefing the mid and bot laners.
Kai Guy11 votesI have been off meta from season 1 and frankly any strategy that puts to high of a burden on your team is not worth running. I feel you can run anything so long as your able to do it successfully with a majority of RNG teammates. When you cripple your teammates more often then not your greifing them Plain and simple. Because off meta is not about playing what you want just cuz. its about playing something personalized to you to win. See Aqua dragons Tank karthus for a example of a successful off meta, or the Taric Sona bot lane terror for a more recent example.
Off meta is not, "this might work?" Its more like "BWAHAHAHAH THIS WORKS SO FKING WELL HELL YEA!" Testing it should be done prior to trying it in ranked.
If you want to call yourself an off meta player you better be able to prove you succeed with it. Other wise its the same as doing a meta pick your shit with.
ChaosReyn7 votesWell, I tested Hail of Blades mid (full AP) Nami for awhile and found it was actually pretty good against a lot of the single target assassins (Zed, Talon, even Akali) if you know how to land a Q. :P I had a better WR than Nubrac. xD
But I never took it to ranked - I found it was a very niche pick, and it was easily outdone by anyone who just focused on waveclear, and particularly Malzahar, GP and Syndra were pretty much untouchable. Two of those 3 were seen pretty commonly around my elo, and the 3rd was still more common than I wanted to risk playing my strat into.
It's not just about finding something that works. It's about finding why something works, and when something works. In essence, determining how it works. Potentially anything can work...but without knowing how it works, you're never going to understand why you just played against that last guy and got bent.
Moreover, it's also about finding way around your shortcomings. In my example, I told my jungler every time before I locked "If it seems like I'm failing, just camp mid and take my farm, and we can run this funnel style." Funnel style isn't as strong as it used to be, but having fallbacks and ways to adapt if you're in a rough spot are part of running off-meta just as much as locking off-meta to start with. In Nubrac's example, if he would have just given Irelia that initial 2 or 3 level advantage, then returned bot, he would've been far more impactful than trying to force his strat all the way to the end. Instead, he forced it, just as he'd done in several other games, and ultimately got banned.
I know my role. I'm a scientist, and the chances of me running off-meta in ranked are generally very slim, unless I know 100% that my strategy is effective against what I pick it into.
EDIT: Tyler1 is a cuck for proving me wrong - he tried going back bot and got rekt...some other way will exist, but I will admit that is not it. :P
Pika Fox2 votes[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5dZEmyWr,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-20T23:25:40.512+0000)
If you want to call yourself an off meta player you better be able to prove you succeed with it. Other wise its the same as doing a meta pick your shit with.
If its the same then you cant get reported for it.
Fact is, if they suck with the off menta double mid support in ranked, then they will fall in rank. It solves itself.
Kai Guy6 votesI will report some one I see that's intentionally trying to lose regardless of their pick. So... I don't quite agree that MMR loss is enough. To be clear here. I don't mind weaker players because only an idiot assumes all 4 teammates are magicaly stronger then the 5 opponents. And that their bad games are accidents but teammates bad games are intentional.
What I hate is people who want a loss for any reason. Be it trolling, giving up, or just flat out immaturity. If I am not confidence via in game communication and behaviors that this is not the case I skip the report. So personally, No, I would not report a double Mid strat just for going double mid. The player would have to convinces me the goal is to grief. As long as any effort is made to be a teammate not a hinderance I don't give a dam. If you try your best and do ok ish I will just write it off as a sub optimal strategy and the MMR loss they get is more then enough.
I am ok if others don't share my opinion here. I don't like how Off meta and trolling are confused.
3TWarrior2 votesgriefing is intentionally causing harm, not by indirect result
by this logic, picking anything that is not currently meta pick/win rates is griefing...
in addition to that, he had a 70%(of last 20 games) win rate in NB3's stream and other players have been seeing success with the strategy
most of the time, other streamers even explain that the strategy itself is sound but that it's your team members you have to watch out for because people do not like change, but if there's communication, it can 70% CRIPPLE the opposing mid laner
Kai Guy1 votesSee the response I left Pika.
The relevant bits.
I will report some one I see that's intentionally trying to lose regardless of their pick. To be clear here. I don't mind weaker players because only an idiot assumes all 4 teammates are magically stronger then the 5 opponents And that their bad games are accidents but teammates bad games are intentional. No, I would not report a double Mid strat just for going double mid. The player would have to convinces me the goal is to grief I am ok if others don't share my opinion here. I don't like how Off meta and trolling are confused.
Theres more in the body. Its the reply to Pika.
Would you like me to provide you with two examples one for off meta and one for trolling that's in line with my 100% subjective judgement to show the differences in my mind? I feel I was pretty clear but do you want some in game examples?
3TWarrior2 votesI was responding to your post as it is subjective, what works for one person can be "crippling" to another. Most people are up in arms that a highly experimental playstyle that its biggest danger is the team around it...that the player themself has 48% average win-rate with the champion, but not the strategy
Kai Guy2 votesWell, Thank you for your response. Your not wrong that my judgment for what is and is not off meta vs trolling is indeed subjective. I directed you to my reply to pika and provided some key points to show how I build my personal views because I feel they are reasonable and if you disagree I am open to hear your logic.
I think I was pretty clear it is subjective... given that most of it should be read as an opinion. I had assumed it would be treated as such. Plus i feel openly admit to it like the bit in my first reply to you i stated "my 100% subjective judgement"
If you have any issues with something I said or strong disagreements then please feel free to box quote it for me and express your view. I actively try to adapt my views to logical conclusions. If you need context or clarity do the same and express what I screwed up in communicating and I will try to do a better job then reply to it directly.
I personally would not report this teemo mid strat unless I was sold the intent behind it is not to win games... Even then that's going to be on a player to player biases. Look at my post to pika if you want more details on what that looks like Imo.
Exin02 votesHe's the new face of "off meta"
(in quotes because we all fucking know the difference between off-meta and griefing while claiming it's off-meta...)
As someone who frequently tries off-meta strategies, I fucking hate everything about that guy because of this.
Like, I get it - he powerballed Irelia. But after getting her ahead, he shoulda went back bot, because it was obvious Sivir was struggling and his goal of getting Irelia ahead was already accomplished. I know plenty of ways that his "strat" would've worked if it was an actual strat instead of just griefing the mid and bot laners.
You are right but bottom line is there is no rule that support must by on bot lane and be adc slave or cannot farm etc. like yeah statisticaly its bad play outside the box but still not forbidden, there are like only three rules in game - no slurs etc., no cheating, no INTENTIONAL feeding. And be honest there are waaaaaay more concerning problems with game and comunity then roaming teemo sup.
ChaosReyn2 votesAnd no sabotaging your teammates...
Exin01 votesAnd no sabotaging your teammates...
Prove that unconventional play is sabotage. INTENTIONAL is fundamental word here, runnig donwn the mid lane with 5 tears is sabotage it has clear signs but going 0/5/0 in lane while actively doing something a buying items is hard to tell most likely its very bad game but it can be subtle feeding, problem is we dont know. Noone likes feeders intentional or not but if we go hard down on this questionable games it will completely tear community and game itself, even now its super toxic if you are not outright winning now immagine if you give ammo to this griefiers by condoning bad game punishments and thats was all about this teemo game, he try and he fails but it was not "f....k my team i go feed".
ChaosReyn3 votesTell me one step he took to adapt to the situation. Tell me one step he took to work as a team with his team, instead of expecting them to deal with his shit and essentially tell (through his actions, not even outright in chat) 4 other players to play around his bullshit strategy because he refuses to change it.
THAT is SABOTAGE. Not merely unconventional play.
He didn't say "fuck my team I go feed." He said "fuck my team, I do what I want, and idc about the state of the game."
Which is still vastly different from "fuck this meta, I'm gonna play unconventionally but still be a team player." I don't need to prove that unconventional play is sabotage. I simply need to prove that sabotage is not going to be justifiable by claiming "it's just unconventional." Judging by Riot's decision, I think that point is clear.
Exin01 votesTell me one step he took to adapt to the situation. Tell me one step he took to work as a team with his team, instead of expecting them to deal with his shit and essentially tell (through his actions, not even outright in chat) 4 other players to play around his bullshit strategy because he refuses to change it.
THAT is SABOTAGE. Not merely unconventional play.
He didn't say "fuck my team I go feed." He said "fuck my team, I do what I want, and idc about the state of the game."
Which is still vastly different from "fuck this meta, I'm gonna play unconventionally but still be a team player." I don't need to prove that unconventional play is sabotage. I simply need to prove that sabotage is not going to be justifiable by claiming "it's just unconventional." Judging by Riot's decision, I think that point is clear.
I dont want analyze situation nor give him price how great he is. Abadoning his adc was bad but not against rules. But its funny how "team play" is now buzzword of the day while there is no end of posts about how is everybody bad and dumb and solo carry is required and champion needed to be buffed acordingly. BTW if he manged win that game we will dont be have this post but post about how is teemo broken.
ChaosReyn1 votesSo...you can't. And in addition to the fact that you can't, you wanna bait everyone into thinking team play is a new buzz word, when every one of the situations of people posting shit like "I always get bad teammates" isn't them bitching about nobody ever having team play?
As to your other point...he could have won that game, if he gave a shit about team play.
I think we're done here.
IP Masquerena2 votesSadly players don't share the opinion. They actually want the support to be the ADC's slave.
I had a game today where I got autofilled support. Yes, I could've played my game better as well, but when all your team is losing, there's not much a Soraka can do. I did "abandon" Jhin a lot after the first like 10 mins, and when asked, I even said why. I told him that that's a Fizz and a J4, if they get more fed off of the autofilled Vi (I qued jg, just so you know) and Zoe, it wouldn't matter if I stay by him or not, he'll still get deleted instantly, so I'll try to salvage them a little by making the fights more fair by being the ambulance Soraka is ment to be. After Jhin dove MF and Alistar TWICE SOLO, he tells me that I need to learn to play and learn from the Alistar because a support must be at all times with the ADC and me leaving him to help the rest of the team is me trolling him, and he said that after I told him that I'm doing it ultimately for him because he was kinda the only chance we had to win, but when I asked him to play safe, he said it's not his job to play safe, it's my job to protect him. Well, no matter how he sees it, I tried to do just that, but instead of protecting him from MF and Alistar, I tried to protect him from the bigger threats, I even made Fizz rage at me a few times because he couldn't use Troll Pole to escape due to Equinox, but hey "I suck at the game and need to learn that because I was support, I have to be the ADC's slave and I'm a troll if I don't accept it"
ChaosReyn2 votesTo be clear, my issue is not with the off-meta strat he took. My issue is with him attempting to force 4 other people to play the game in a radically different way from what they planned to, without ever even attempting to share the plan he wanted them to go along with. It's quite literally impossible to commit to a plan you don't know, after all. He also refused to change his plan when it was failing.
For example...Let's say he did this in a game where NB3 and his duo don't flame him out of town. He was still losing more games than he won with the strat over all...but let's say he made a change in this one in particular. Immediately after he hits 6, he starts setting up vision and shrooms around dragon pit and the entrances to the enemy bot-side jungle. THAT ALONE draws attention from everyone to dragon, and his mid is much more farmed/fed than theirs - his team hold the stronger major damage source in the upcoming fight.
Do they contest and risk getting dumpstered by the empowered mid and shrooms? Do they let his team take a free objective and hope punishing bot will be enough? Forcing the enemy to make tough decisions is how you outmaneuver them. That's a universal truth regardless of whatever off-meta shenanigans you're up to. All of that, and I didn't even bring up how effective it could be if the guy used his damn words.
I do not hate the Teemo and support mid. I hate the ones who go Teemo and support mid just because they can.
If you haven't put the thought into your goal, you're wasting everyone's time.
SanKakU1 votesHe was rude. Being rude or polite won't change the fact that players will give up(not every game of course) regardless of our diplomacy skills when we try something off meta.
Exin01 votesSadly players don't share the opinion. They actually want the support to be the ADC's slave.
I had a game today where I got autofilled support. Yes, I could've played my game better as well, but when all your team is losing, there's not much a Soraka can do. I did "abandon" Jhin a lot after the first like 10 mins, and when asked, I even said why. I told him that that's a Fizz and a J4, if they get more fed off of the autofilled Vi (I qued jg, just so you know) and Zoe, it wouldn't matter if I stay by him or not, he'll still get deleted instantly, so I'll try to salvage them a little by making the fights more fair by being the ambulance Soraka is ment to be. After Jhin dove MF and Alistar TWICE SOLO, he tells me that I need to learn to play and learn from the Alistar because a support must be at all times with the ADC and me leaving him to help the rest of the team is me trolling him, and he said that after I told him that I'm doing it ultimately for him because he was kinda the only chance we had to win, but when I asked him to play safe, he said it's not his job to play safe, it's my job to protect him. Well, no matter how he sees it, I tried to do just that, but instead of protecting him from MF and Alistar, I tried to protect him from the bigger threats, I even made Fizz rage at me a few times because he couldn't use Troll Pole to escape due to Equinox, but hey "I suck at the game and need to learn that because I was support, I have to be the ADC's slave and I'm a troll if I don't accept it"
And moment the support become true adc slave like janna glued to her adc they flipp again that she is not doing anything else. I think that riot make kneejerk reaction due to "high profile" stream because like it or not nubrac dont do anything against rules.Yes leaving adc 1v2 alone in the lane is staticticaly bad but he try do something else and again he is not required be on bot lane. Funny thing is if all this forever raging players everytime that something out of box happend in the game get their way their will be banned for life multiple times, there is noone who doesent f... up in the game multiple times. No wonder this community is meme, toxicity is seeping everywhere and we are hitting new low every few months an riot is just adding more and more fuel with thier atrocious custommer approach like drop that riven is na phenomenon (even if its true) without any other explanation was deemed to be just another poison bomb into community, i realise now we are not custommers LCS is we are just extra to milk money.
SanKakU1 votesYes, he should have gone back bottom at some point but you're ignoring that Irelia didn't participate. She didn't help him get plating. He made relatively minor mistakes compared to what some of his allies were doing. I think he was tilted by his allies flaming him.
ChaosReyn3 votesMy problem isn't in his mistakes, more than it is his refusal to adapt his strategy.
The same may technically be said about his teammates...but his teammates weren't the odd man out - they were all 4 trying to play their strat, and Nubrac was forcing his.
SanKakU1 votesAn opposing lane's double healing for a Dark Harvest Teemo is scary. It's not like he can just change his keystone on the way to bottom lane to GotU/Guardian/PR/GA to be relevant. Would an item build plan change be good enough? Probably not, but I guess we don't know because he doesn't do that.
My guess is he's played against those 2 before as DH Teemo and it didn't go well and he hasn't figured out how to do acceptably versus them, and if this isn't the case then I dare call him a coward for not trying something out. In any case, Teemo wasn't forcing Irelia to do anything special, and he didn't necessarily inconvenience his jungle. If enemy jungle wants to push bottom then Teemo's jungle can push middle. Why does only enemy jungle wish to adapt to the Teemo? Because allied jungle would rather give up than use brain power to win.
Irelia doesn't see Teemo helping her as an advantage because all she cares about is her Sivir not tilting? She cares so much about that to the point where she stops playing before everyone else, yes? So then, what was the point of playing a team strategy game if you can't appreciate assistance? Maybe Irelia and Sivir were friends and that's why she was so upset. We don't know because the game doesn't tell anyone who is in which groups. But Irelia, someone who should have been pleased to have a bonus ally in lane with her was trolling because she didn't capitalize on the advantage of taking their lane opponent out of the lane with Teemo's help.
ChaosReyn2 votesIf you're accusing anyone of giving up prematurely, I'd have to say it was really either Sivir or Nightblue...but there's a lot of your argument that's fundamentally flawed here.
SanKakU1 votesJungle and middle gave up fast, Teemo didn't force them to give up. They chose to. He wasn't inting. Even if jungle was trying to help Sivir, which I don't believe he was, but even if he was, that was an obviously wrong decision to make. Jungle and middle chose to gave up, which made it appear to Sivir that Teemo was doing more harm than he really was. So Sivir gave up too. It's a domino effect. When one person gives up then more people give up. And Teemo unfairly got the blame. Sivir did fine, it was her being forced to 3v5 in the grand scheme of things that had her lane shoved up to their base. If it was a real 5v5 then it would have been a game she could perform in.
ChaosReyn2 votesJungle and bottom gave up fast. They chose to. Teemo wasn't inting...but he was refusing to play as a member of a team, and expected 4 other people to change their strategy and revolve around him.
If you can't see the flawed logic of expecting the fucking world to revolve around your decision, there's really not a point in continuing this debate.
Beacon Academy3 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdIghL3gfRA
NB3 was the third to afk and only 2.5 minutes before the early surrender.
Ragnaveil2 votesHe's the new face of "off meta"
(in quotes because we all fucking know the difference between off-meta and griefing while claiming it's off-meta...)
As someone who frequently tries off-meta strategies, I fucking hate everything about that guy because of this.
Like, I get it - he powerballed Irelia. But after getting her ahead, he shoulda went back bot, because it was obvious Sivir was struggling and his goal of getting Irelia ahead was already accomplished. I know plenty of ways that his "strat" would've worked if it was an actual strat instead of just griefing the mid and bot laners.
"She'll be fine in botlane by herself because if I go bot we both die" Like what? This guy doesn't even understand the negatives of his strat.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI mean, even “meta” strategies require you to help out and move to and between lanes. A rigid inflexible strategy is doomed to fail.
ChaosReyn1 votesAgreed. And I would commend that thought process...if he wasn't more rigid
Woodakoodashooda12 votesTeemo's my perma ban because of this shit now.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5dZEmyWr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T22:59:08.695+0000)
Teemo's my perma ban because of this shit now.
Ashe support mid works as well.
ChaosReyn2 votesAnything can work. But let's rethink the question: why?
Why does it work, and what do you need to accomplish for it to not fail? Does it work consistently? In what type(s) of games? Are you willing to make adaptations for it not to fail, even if that means you deviate from your actual strat?
OR
Are you Nubrac, determined to go down with your sinking ship as many times as it takes for you to get a good game on your stream, just so you can hold it up for everyone and say "Yeah, it works guys!"?
One of those is the proper way to play unconventionally. One of those is a blatant disregard for anything other than a narrow-sighted goal.
Pika Fox1 votesAnything can work. But let's rethink the question: why?
Why does it work, and what do you need to accomplish for it to not fail? Does it work consistently? In what type(s) of games? Are you willing to make adaptations for it not to fail, even if that means you deviate from your actual strat?
OR
Are you Nubrac, determined to go down with your sinking ship as many times as it takes for you to get a good game on your stream, just so you can hold it up for everyone and say "Yeah, it works guys!"?
One of those is the proper way to play unconventionally. One of those is a blatant disregard for anything other than a narrow-sighted goal.
Idk, 60%+ winrate with it says it probably works.
ChaosReyn2 votesyou just managed to both dodge the actual question, and simultaneously admit you have no idea how to answer it.
I didn't ask if it worked. I asked WHY.
If you can't answer why, you can't adapt during times it doesn't.
Pika Fox2 votesyou just managed to both dodge the actual question, and simultaneously admit you have no idea how to answer it.
I didn't ask if it worked. I asked WHY.
Because mid game relies heavily on mid lane to roam, which doesnt end up happening with 2 mid, where as your mid CAN roam if desired. If the assassin/mage gets levels but no gold and constantly has threat on tower, they literally just cannot leave lane.
Likewise, there are many bot lane picks that can survive themselves easily, such as sivir, heimer, or a bruiser, and you still have jungle pressure to assist bot early if need be.
ChaosReyn2 votesStill heavily disagreeing on Sivir managing a 1v2 until she has items, which cant happen if she cant get any early farm, but that's at least an acceptable answer. Congratulations - you're now better than your fallen idol.
I refuse to give Nubrac mercy here, specifically because he refused any semblance of teamwork, or desire to coordinate with any member of his team but the mid laner, who was asking him to leave her lane, instead awaiting the full 4 other members of his team to specifically adapt to and follow his plan, which he never gave a singular clue to.
Now...you've explained the why, but go even farther than that: what is your plan should your plan not work?
Pika Fox2 votesStill heavily disagreeing on Sivir managing a 1v2 until she has items, which cant happen if she cant get any early farm, but that's at least an acceptable answer. Congratulations - you're now better than your fallen idol.
I refuse to give Nubrac mercy here, specifically because he refused any semblance of teamwork, or desire to coordinate with any member of his team but the mid laner, who was asking him to leave her lane, instead awaiting the full 4 other members of his team to specifically adapt to and follow his plan, which he never gave a singular clue to.
Now...you've explained the why, but go even farther than that: what is your plan should your plan not work?
What is your plan should any plan not work? Play from behind defensively the best you can. Depends on the situation and what happens. Worst case scenario, you lose. But thats not any different from any other strat or pick in the game.
At bare minimum, TF wont be able to pop off, and a TF pick always makes him the center star of the game for his team.
ChaosReyn2 votesI think you can afford to take more risks than simply "play even safer in mid and hope things work out elsewhere." Trying something like this requires you to play more proactively than reactively - you need to look for opportunities to relieve pressure on bot, since you know (as you're the one running this strategy) that bot's going to be 1v2 and under constant pressure.
I personally think Tyler1, cuck that he is, managed to find a better answer than "play more defensively and pray" - he tried to roam. Mind you, in his game, he tried roaming bot, and it didn't work...I'll get to that in a moment, but I'm gonna start with Ashe, since you did.
With your example, Ashe honestly doesn't even really need to roam - just fire your ult from mid as your jungler sets up on a different lane, and you can more than likely net a very important release of enemy pressure, and/or get an assist or two. Bonus points if this works at bot, because you're still helping with the overall relevance of your late game damage dealer.
With Teemo, I imagine you have to be a little more creative since he's really not going to get anywhere near there without being noticed and collapsed on, but I could easily see a setup to bait the enemy to river by setting up shrooms and threatening dragon. At the very least, you're pushing objective control and you've already powerspiked your mid, so you have the stronger burst damage at this stage of the game. At best, you can set up a bit into enemy jungle, and perhaps get a catch as they try to get to dragon pit to place a ward. Both of these will pull some amount of attention from bot lane, as they're going to be paying constant attention to your encroachment around dragon/their jungle, and they're going to be looking to rotate if something starts to happen.
This is what I mean - he had at best a half-baked idea, and after funneling a lot of effort into spiking up mid's damage, he squandered it, and refused to change gears to make more proactive plays to keep the game alive. This happened in multiple games, not just this one.
We'll never really know in terms of the Nubrac/NB3 game, because everyone imploded around this crucial moment (read: I admit Nightblue refused to ever give this a solid chance once Sivir fell behind) but we know for a fact that even Irelia was asking for him to do something else, which he solidly refused to do. All the arguments caused by the confusion that he created derailed the game, and all the toxicity from Nightblue3 completely burned any hope of resetting it.
Pika Fox1 votesI think you can afford to take more risks than simply "play even safer in mid and hope things work out elsewhere." Trying something like this requires you to play more proactively than reactively - you need to look for opportunities to relieve pressure on bot, since you know (as you're the one running this strategy) that bot's going to be 1v2 and under constant pressure.
I personally think Tyler1, cuck that he is, managed to find a better answer than "play more defensively and pray" - he tried to roam. Mind you, in his game, he tried roaming bot, and it didn't work...I'll get to that in a moment, but I'm gonna start with Ashe, since you did.
With your example, Ashe honestly doesn't even really need to roam - just fire your ult from mid as your jungler sets up on a different lane, and you can more than likely net a very important release of enemy pressure, and/or get an assist or two. Bonus points if this works at bot, because you're still helping with the overall relevance of your late game damage dealer.
With Teemo, I imagine you have to be a little more creative since he's really not going to get anywhere near there without being noticed and collapsed on, but I could easily see a setup to bait the enemy to river by setting up shrooms and threatening dragon. At the very least, you're pushing objective control and you've already powerspiked your mid, so you have the stronger burst damage at this stage of the game. At best, you can set up a bit into enemy jungle, and perhaps get a catch as they try to get to dragon pit to place a ward. Both of these will pull some amount of attention from bot lane, as they're going to be paying constant attention to your encroachment around dragon/their jungle, and they're going to be looking to rotate if something starts to happen.
This is what I mean - he had at best a half-baked idea, and after funneling a lot of effort into spiking up mid's damage, he squandered it, and refused to change gears to make more proactive plays to keep the game alive. This happened in multiple games, not just this one.
We'll never really know in terms of the Nubrac/NB3 game, because everyone imploded around this crucial moment (read: I admit Nightblue refused to ever give this a solid chance once Sivir fell behind) but we know for a fact that even Irelia was asking for him to do something else, which he solidly refused to do. All the arguments caused by the confusion that he created derailed the game, and all the toxicity from Nightblue3 completely burned any hope of resetting it.
? By the time NB decided to afk, his team was winning the game.
Mid was 30 CS up and less than 1 level behind (changes to exp over the years make it so you really dont lose much exp as a duo compared to a solo), and sivir was only ~10 CS under taric, who doesnt use the gold nearly as well as sivir does. His team was even up a kill.
ChaosReyn2 votesBy "derailed the game" I mean that the complete disorganization of his entire team due to his strategy was a far bigger hindrance than how all of the gameplay numbers added up. Couple that with NightblueREE, and the game went too far south in terms of team morale and willingness to play.
They both had their part to play in it, and I'm glad that Riot gave NB a vacation as well.
In the future, Nubrac needs to put more thought into his tactics, and make a more devoted effort to coordinate with his team. I do not condemn the Teemo support/mid. I condemn the Teemo support/mid just to Teemo support/mid.
It was half assed at best, and I still strongly believe it was far from the best intentions, considering Riot's statement that seemingly profiled these runs with other high profile streamers.
Tahminatrix 5 votesBut this is the great rapture, you cant avoid it forever, the world of league of legends is ending as teemo engulfs summoners rift and cleanses the map with unholy poison.
Saezio9 votesFirst of all, stop calling it a strategy. It's just something he does when there are high profile streamers on his team
So, people doing it in your game are just morons cause I bet thousands of people are not watching your games.
P.S. And somehow people are defending this straight up inter. Community gullible as fuck
Six Inch Heals5 votesFirst of all, stop calling it a strategy. It's just something he does when there are high profile streamers on his team
So, people doing it in your game are just morons cause I bet thousands of people are not watching your games.
P.S. And somehow people are defending this straight up inter. Community gullible as fuck
People are only white knighting it because they're bored. 85% of those people would have reacted the same or similar in a ranked match, and they're lying if they say otherwise.
Blam7 votesI cant tell you how much I wish team builder could be brought back. Whenever I que solo for normals I'm 9/10 times on a premade that feeds and flames. I loved team builder.
I don't mind waiting extra long in que to get the team that I want rather than starting a game with a random comp and being stuck for 20m of misery. (IF they let you surrender and don't hold you hostage)
Sewer Side6 votesI thought you guys were totally cool with 48% WR AFK Teemo though
ZephyrDrake4 votesYeah riot bring back teambuilder the inferior version of what we currently have. Do something right rito!
Anchobi4 voteslet ADHD kids go fast ranked queue with autofill and leave teambuilder for people who want to wait 1h and play proper game with proper team.
preternatural3 votes[{quoted}](name=Trash MammaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5dZEmyWr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-20T22:55:27.513+0000)
And both refused to talk, refused to leave the lanes they were "roaming" to and both ran into lanes giving kills.
Get rid of this stupid autofill crap and give us back teambuilder, for the love of god Riot do SOMETHING right with this game
nope, you're stuck with skill capped players doing nubrac's trash troll griefing strat now. enjoy
Zeppelins circus3 votesnope, you're stuck with skill capped players doing nubrac's trash troll griefing strat now. enjoy
Yeah and if Riot actually allows this. Boy soloque will be INTeresting with the emphasis on INT. I could actually make a troll account not say anything and make fools of everyone. It is everyones dream to troll legally, maybe we can allow this since the next season is 10. It would be INNOVATING.
