They really want to buff up Master yi And Tryndamere

ValiantKiller·Jun 14, 2018·59 votes·15,533 views

Like buffing up two of the most toxic kit champions in game ? Go ahead then do it and make people sick more of facing them please.

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Daddy AntsJun 14, 201829 votes

Master Yi Alpha Strike (Q) cost lowered from 70/75/80/85/90 to 50/55/60/65/70 #[Removed] No longer deals bonus damage to minions

GripaAviaraJun 14, 20182 votes

Yeah and how does that help really? It only makes his clears faster earlier when mana is master's biggest problem

TheSingularityJun 15, 201816 votes

It's to kill gold funnel taric+yi, or at least slow it down.

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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It's to kill gold funnel taric+yi, or at least slow it down.

We talking about mana cost decrease...how that related to gold funnel ?

TheSingularityJun 15, 201814 votes

By decreasing dmg to minions he clears waves slower. So he can't just drop by, Q a wave and fk off back to the jungle. They're taking baby steps so they don't completely obliterate yi, and while i as a tank main would absolutely love him to be dumpstered many others would not. It also means they don't have to fk with the jungle or mid lane gold incomes

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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By decreasing dmg to minions he clears waves slower. So he can't just drop by, Q a wave and fk off back to the jungle. They're taking baby steps so they don't completely obliterate yi, and while i as a tank main would absolutely love him to be dumpstered many others would not. It also means they don't have to fk with the jungle or mid lane gold incomes

And Tryndamere buffs they going to make ? That is normal as well ?

TheSingularityJun 15, 20184 votes

Haven't been able to find the trynd buffs anywhere so idk. U got a link?

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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Haven't been able to find the trynd buffs anywhere so idk. U got a link?

It not added yet but it was from the plans in 8.13 to go, nerfing singed, buffing tryn, buffing crit adc, etc edited: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/06/612-pbe-update.html#notes

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BEK MakadurJun 15, 20185 votes

Tryndamere sits at an overwhelming winrate of 47.57%(op.gg), for a champion that is considered beginner friendly, that is just really bad.

OneriosJun 15, 20181 votes

While trynd might be considered beginner friendly he certainly is not in practice. Having to lean on only auto attacks, and melee auto for that matter, while building purely for damage, is not friendly to mistakes being made.

The issue with trynd is less his overall winrate and more how he ends up expressing his power, either stat checking you and then steamrolling through the lane, or if he fails to do so being a hard to catch nuisance that if you don't end the game eventually stat checks you and knocks down the nexus. You beat him by constantly 2v1ing him when he tries to do his thing, and it works, but it feels louzy for the players having to do it.

BEK MakadurJun 15, 20181 votes

Hmm what about Nasus then? Or Fiora? Or any other lategame champ that can farm and split?

RekSai CoffeeCoJun 15, 20181 votes

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It's to kill gold funnel taric+yi, or at least slow it down.

If they wanted to do that they should instead fix jungle.

TheSingularityJun 15, 20184 votes

The jungle isn't the issue. The jungle pool is already small enough because it rewards those who can clear well rather than gank well. The best ganker in the top 15 junglers is taliyah, the rest rely on the enemy not warding. The reason for above is due to jungle monsters hitting like trucks and mobility creep (clear faster and you take less dmg since, same principle for Yi vs an entire team) Clear faster gank more regardless of success. Rather than clear slower but almost always get a kill when ganking (tanks who get the team fed rather than getting fed themselves).

Since the game is all about dmg and killing with mashing everything super duper fast, and getting said dmg asap do be able to mash better. Yi just farms constantly, in the jungle, and in a lane. So nerfing the jungle would kill everyone, and yi would simply have to stay in lane more ;)

BeatzBoyFTWJun 15, 20181 votes

And they don't give a shit about how this is still purely a non-reasoning buff to solo Master Yi players?

TheSingularityJun 15, 20183 votes

the mana decrease won't mean shit. He will almost always have blue buff and yi has pissy mana costs anyway since he spends half the time AA'ing rather than casting spells

Mokiller5Jun 15, 20181 votes

If Taric + Yi so good, why SKT lose their second LCK match?

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/ESPORTSTMNT06/720686?gameHash=445a90f9e59c9477&tab=overview

Sp33d Zer0Jun 15, 20181 votes

Because even the best strategies don't have 100% win rate.

We can also discuss that SKT has been slumping since world's hard and isn't even arguably on of the top 4 teams in Korea

Jerry SeinfeIdJun 15, 20181 votes

Because the other team picked camille.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 15, 20181 votes

It drastically damages the gold funneling strat that is the ACTUAL problem

RekSai CoffeeCoJun 15, 20181 votes

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It drastically damages the gold funneling strat that is the ACTUAL problem

Jungle is the problem that was broken in 8.10 creating this problem but instead of fixing it so the rest of the 30 or so champs that used to play jungle could they want to leave changes in and nerf yi.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 15, 20181 votes

If the 8.10 changes started this why has yi + lulu, yi + Kayle top lane been around since season 7

RekSai CoffeeCoJun 19, 20181 votes

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If the 8.10 changes started this why has yi + lulu, yi + Kayle top lane been around since season 7

why are we seeing the yi/taric, twitch/lulu, yi/kayle etc etc etc more since 8.10? Feel free to show me how many replays with high KDA where twitch was jungle only and jungle and a lane.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 19, 20181 votes

Can you rephrase that, I'm not sure I get what you are asking for

RanmaruJun 14, 20188 votes

I swear to god if they buff yi i am becoming a lulu one trick

ValiantKillerJun 14, 20188 votes

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I swear to god if they buff yi i am becoming a lulu one trick

They already decrease his q mana cost on pbe e.e

RanmaruJun 14, 20182 votes

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

xJLx MCHammerJun 14, 20183 votes

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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Because the damage has also been lowered He has a harder time jungling now, especially early game

Meep ManJun 14, 201813 votes

That's only to minions not monsters.

ValiantKillerJun 14, 20185 votes

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Because the damage has also been lowered He has a harder time jungling now, especially early game

Do you even read ? It for minions not monsters he doesn't lane.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 15, 20187 votes

Yes he does. In the funneling which this nerf is aimed at. So he cant just alpha the wave and go back to farming the jungle.

DoktorKaiserJun 14, 20187 votes

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I swear to god if they buff yi i am becoming a lulu one trick

Its cute that you think CC helps against Yi these days. There is literally 1 way to not lose to a Yi if he is on the enemy team - he disconnects.

Daddy AntsJun 15, 20181 votes

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I swear to god if they buff yi i am becoming a lulu one trick

Until Yi kills you before you can press your buttons.

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Tryndas counterplay is cc and kiting.

"Kiting"

You forget he has a huge radius AOE Slow?

RanmaruJun 15, 20181 votes

You can sorta kite trynd its difficult I do it sometimes I quickly look back and forth it requires high sensitivity

rtbf221651412Jun 14, 20186 votes

I think Riot fails to realize the kits are the problem. Not the damage.

ValiantKillerJun 14, 20184 votes

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I think Riot fails to realize the kits are the problem. Not the damage.

They are lazy to rework them or give them mini rework just like xin to fix their core problem, like tryn problem that he put alot of damage out for his 5 second immune. Beside all of this busted true damage and that spooky damage that going in game, his 5 second was fine but now it so much for his damage special that he can just have doran shield/sword stay in lane all game split pushing and healing.

CytheGuyJun 14, 20183 votes

They won't rework him because he's designed to help beginners. When you're learning how to jungle- or play the game for that matter- the last thing you want to worry about it skill rotations or literally anything that isn't right clicking and pressing 1 or 2 buttons. If they nerf him to make him easy to deal with, then he won't be viable as a champion to learn with. His problem right now is his synergy with items.

GripaAviaraJun 14, 20185 votes

The problem is not the simplicity of the kit, but the fact is toxic. Having a champion that only counter play is run is not ok

TyroneWatermelonJun 15, 20181 votes

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I think Riot fails to realize the kits are the problem. Not the damage.

they know it perfectly well. why they do not prioritize on reworking them asap instead of releasing other toxic champs is beyond us.

ZackTheWaffleManJun 15, 20186 votes

They're nerfing ER, at least. Band-Aids don't fix bullet holes, though.

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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They're nerfing ER, at least. Band-Aids don't fix bullet holes, though.

It doesn't matter much still his deadly combo come from rageblade+yellow smite + bork not ER, ER was the extra cherry for more toxic effect.

ZackTheWaffleManJun 15, 20184 votes

Hence, "Band-Aids don't fix bullet holes."

SteelflameJun 15, 20185 votes

Yi has indirect nerfs coming up, and this specific change is to his "Feed me mid farm while I also jungle" strategy.

Pure jungle Yi is fine overall. A bit much, but nothing too insane.

Its when he starts also getting lane farm on top of it it becomes a problem.

They are also nerfing two synergy items for him, in nerfing the Essence Flare duration to 6 seconds, and they have stated that Rageblade is going to have some significant work done on it in the near future, if not this patch, the next one.

If both Rageblade and Essence Reaver are nerfed, then the only thing that is propping Yi up (Powerful item synergies) won't be an issue.

SalsonJun 14, 20184 votes

Most people just permaban Yi until they fix the boosting combos.

Doesn't matter how much they buff him, after a single game of facing that toxic bullshit you make peace with not having a free ban and you never see him again.

ZeroAgainstJun 15, 20181 votes

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Most people just permaban Yi until they fix the boosting combos.

Doesn't matter how much they buff him, after a single game of facing that toxic bullshit you make peace with not having a free ban and you never see him again.

is the boosting combo where u give yi the farm like you would in 3v3? cause they still havent fixed that 3v3 bs in like 2 years now lmao

SalsonJun 15, 20184 votes

Yes, but it finally got into competitive scene. And Rito is quick to fix problems that occur there.

SasogwaJun 15, 20184 votes

Yi doesn't have manaproblems. This is doing literally nothing to 'buff' him, the complaint is ridiculous. The reduction to lane minions however is a nerf to his splitting potential and fast waavetaking for the purposes of gold funneling

Neptunia xoxoJun 15, 20181 votes

They have to hard rework Master Yi if they want him not to be cancer because hes always had balance problems no matter the season or item changes.

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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They have to hard rework Master Yi if they want him not to be cancer because hes always had balance problems no matter the season or item changes.

His problem just like Tryndamere they the most binary champion in all league, yes Annie, Garen , Wukong, etc are binary but they still got outplays here and there while yi and tryn just hardcore binary that got no play around.

BEK MakadurJun 15, 20182 votes

Tryn isn´t really a problem.

ValiantKillerJun 15, 20181 votes

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Tryn isn´t really a problem.

He isn't a problem to me, yesterday i was against tryn and i was urgot i did shutdown him 0-5 for good and win my lane hard then i tried to help my team , but guess what when i tried to do that even when my tower is 100% hp and he so behind he was able to take it on one clear wave like that is unhealthy that i can't carry my team just cause there is champion that split pushing so hard even when behind and got no items.