Because he can fucking press R again to blink two screens away from where is victim was. Also, QSS is only good against him if you actually have a decent build already, so you can 1v1. Zhonyas is only good on mages and most of them get fucked without mana regen, so basically can outsustain ALL of their poke with lifesteal. But yeah, he is definetely weak.
xJLx MCHammer11 votesOne of my problems with him Easy way to get out if he initiated bad or dived too hard Easy farming Insane safety
OJ1912 votes[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XA5HA4Z,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2014-12-15T23:13:48.653+0000) One of my problems with him Easy way to get out if he initiated bad or dived too hard Easy farming Insane safety
this is also why I hate lee sin
*gets baited by a lone targets, presses Q2 when suddenly entire enemy team shows up* *presses W halfway through Q2 to escape scot free*
he also needs to be rooted when he presses R, either that or remove the target root from it, because R-flash is bullshit.
Jefftiffy6 votesBut the thing is, Zed is a feast of famine champ just like most assassins. He either succeeds or does nothing and then has to play somewhat passive.
Leblancs Boob7 votesThats a complete lie. Zed is most certainly not feast or famine. Zed is able to pick the dumbest engage and no matter how badly he messed up he always has a get out of jail free card. Even if he somehow does mess up that badly and dies. Compare being behind as Zed to someone like Akali/Diana. Zed is able to destroy an entire wave of minions with energy based waveclear before it even touches his tower while having a shadow to escape if he somehow gets caught out. His passive even makes it impossible for him to miss cs. He's too damn low risk.
PsyFi Samurai1 votesI disagree. If you're aware of the fact that he can farm quickly, tell your team to try to take objectives. After all Zed isn't the enemy team and if you find him doing as you've said, ignore him and engage a favorable team-fight whilst he farms!
Leblancs Boob1 votesWhat? Your comment completely contradicts itself. If he's instantly clearing the wave before it even touches his tower how am I supposed to get near it? Ignore Zed and win a teamfight...?
skyfall6198 votesimo assassins should have trouble with wave clearing and cs'ing. zed is super strong in both these aspect as well as doing the assassin thing. fizz weak cs'ing, lb weak cs'ing, kat weak cs'ing, talon weak cs'ing, akali weak cs'ing, ect. change his passive or make it not work on minions and make his shurikan not go through minion or do reduced dmg for each pass through. his assassinating is fine just not his wave cleaing/cs'ing
Sammystorm2 votesZeds problem is that if he fails to get in range of a squishy he can just shred the nearest tank. He scales too well off of arpen.
Junkο2 votesCongrats you took 30% of the enemy tanks health, died, your entire team died to their ADC/APC after , enemy team took baron and pushed mid and now coming back is a pain in the ass.
Knight Devout2 votesNo man, that's not the point he was trying to make.
With Zed, if the tank manages to push you back from his squishy comrades, there is still the chance that he will retaliate by killing you. That's especially valid for tank supports.
Junkο2 votesNot really. He can't kill anybody without his ult, ADC's now days have enough anti-melee stuff in their kit to make Zed's life hell when his ult is down. And mages have their CC i guess
Knight Devout2 votesMh, you think so? I stand by my point, mostly because of the pressure that zed can dictate.
Junkο1 votesKat and Talon aren't weak at csing lol. Kat can just spam spells all day to CS and poke at the same time. Talon is naturally AD and you can't bully him like other assassins because of the risk that he will jump on you and attack you when you use your spells.
I do agree that Zed Csing really needs to be nerfed, maybe replace his current passive with a new one? Most of the time his ult dmg is already overkill anyway.
skyfall6192 voteskat has to be in the middle of the minion wave to wave clear which isnt the most favorable spot to be in. talon just like kat has to be up on the minion wave. and then there is zed who can get close to xerath lvl range with his shadow and cs and wave clear fast and safely.
PsyFi Samurai1 votesTrue, but her shunpo has a massive range. Wave clear -> Pop to safety.
Ninpire7 voteshonestly i feel that people forget that zed is an assassin in the end who relies on his ultimate for his full burst. he's a super safe assassin yeah, but if he initiated badly and r's away, then he wont have the ultimate for a while. unlike fizz who can fucking qwe and youre dead.
and yeah i remember seeing someone on here saying that you have to cc zed for 6 seconds to prevent him from getting away with his shadows, it shouldnt take 6 fucking seconds to kill a squishy (ass)assin
so stop the zed hate and hate more on fizz. fizz even smiles at you to piss you off more. zeds just like grrr
HeadHonchkrow1 votesBless this man
ImHerVoice8 votesif zed had long CD's on everything even at max rank. He would be justfied. But he can do 2k+ range with flash+dash+ult he's the epitome of mobility creep. Him and fizz should be removed or gutted out of existance. that is all.
Ninpire1 votesif zed had long CD's on everything even at max rank. He would be justfied. But he can do 2k+ range with flash+dash+ult he's the epitome of mobility creep. Him and fizz should be removed or gutted out of existance. that is all.
I wouldn't say everything but, I think an ultimate and shadow cool down increase would make sense. And I think fizz should just impale himself on his pole whenever he es so he loses like 1/4th hp lol
Junkο1 votesMeanwhile LB can get 3k range with Flash +W + R
mobility creep? LB says hi
DropFill1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rainbowe Dash,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XA5HA4Z,comment-id=000500020001,timestamp=2014-12-16T16:19:52.024+0000)
Meanwhile LB can get 3k range with Flash +W + R
mobility creep? LB says hi
And them she lost pretty much 50% of her damage , if not more.
Junkο1 votesSo did Zed when he used W to gapclose so he can ult
NeoKira1 votesNot necassarily. The shadow is still there, any targets nearby can still be hurt when he uses abilities. Also, because he appears behind you, you have to choose to go closer to that shadow to get away from the main body, or to go through the main body which is kind of freaking hard to do without him getting full combo off. Also, zed has sustained damage, Leblanc doesn't. If leblanc's abilities or down she has pretty much nothing. If zed's are down he still has like 300 damage every aa, not to mention his passive.
ImHerVoice1 votesleb was the first noob. That doesn't make her a creep. And her entire kit is countered by BV lmfao.
Junkο1 votesLB uses WQ, backs off. 10 seconds later uses her entire combo. Countered by BV how?
Meanwhile Zed uses ult, Zhonya/QSS/Kayle ult/Lissandra ult/Zilean/etc..., now he has to wait about a minute and a half to use his ult again.
ImHerVoice2 votesyou're over exaggerting as usual with casuals who know nothing about the champions they talk about. lol W/e you gotta tell yourself to make yourself feel better dieing to a leblanc when you can buy 1 item and then 1v1 her at any point afterwards lol
Junkο1 votesi have NO idea what you are trying to tell me, literally every word you say changes what you are talking about
ImHerVoice1 votesI'm saying you don't know lebs cd's so saying a number makes you look like a moron unless you know the exact number don't talk.
Late game assassins are supposed to have 20% or higher CDR.
You want to know what would actually balance assassins in this game and ADC's? remove ALL cdr from items that aren't support related. REmove all crit. There I just balanced out two classes the game has left imbalanced since the start of time. You can just give them higher scaling to make up for the fact they lose cdr. If they want cdr they buy an item built for it not an item with damage + cdr + mana regen. (looking at nomicon/athenes right here, completely broken)
Junkο1 votesRemoving CDR will make most mages not viable. Removing crit chance would make ADCs non existant.
Most assassins wouldn't give a fuck about either of these, Zed's job is done after he blows his entire combo on a spuishy, Talon's job is done once he unleashes his entire combo, LB's job is done when she blows up one person. Katarina and Akali already has resets in her kit.
In fact assassins like Talon and Kat would get a buff since either their ultimate is on a fairly low cd when compared to most other ultimates in the game. Katarina can even reset her ult.
As for cooldowns, LB Q is on a 6 second cooldown at all ranks, her W is at 10 second cooldown at rank 5 (and W is usually maxed on LB to eliminate her problem with csing). Her E cd is 8 sec at rank 5. Her ult cd is 24 at rank 3. Now apply the 20% CDR you said yourself she will have and you see that if she doesn't use ult to burn Banshee (why would she do that anyway?) she can easily do her combo 6 seconds later
ImHerVoice1 votesnah can just give AD items attack speed/more AD to make up for it.
Leb's supposed to be a low CD assassin simply because all her damage requires time to happen. She doesn't INSTANTLY get a full proc Q she doesn't INSTANTLY get a full proc E or INSTANTLY get a full damage w. All of it has travel time. All of it requires knowing when you can actually land it and have the time to proc it.
You're just trying to make a champion based entirely off of playing the waiting game and punishing her oppenents shit positioning look bad. Stop it. Focus on champions with actual overloaded kits that don't get punished for poor positioning or failing a combo like zed or fizz who get free invul timers.
NeoKira1 votesFirst off, any champ with damage on their ult relies on ult for 'full burst'. fizz does too. If ur argument is to kill a squishy target than i better understand what you are saying, but you're actually wrong in that case. Zed does not need ult to kill targets. That's one of the things that makes him so annoying. He has a lot of sustained damage mixed in with simple escape potential, easy farming, sustain that is easy to obtain because he's AD and it works with him, item effets work way too well in conjunction with his ult (for example, his ult does more damage when it goes off based on how much damage u've already done. They put this on an AD champ in conjunction with that passive + AD champs are able to work with Bork. which means he gets bork active on top of his already existing damage to amplify his ult damage.) But by far the most annoying thing is how it always feels like Zed is in absolute control when playing this game. If a Zed loses lane, that is his fault. Now that sounds like a no brainer overall right? Well here's the thing. When you beat a zed, how often does it feel like you beat a good Zed? Like how often are you able to say it was because you outplayed him, and not because he was making mistakes? most of the time, when i beat a zed, i feel like i owe my victory to his mistakes, and not to my own undertakings. And that feeling is honestly kind of infuriating. There are just some champions in this game that when you see them in the loading screen make you feel like "Whether i beat him or lose to him i already know this game is going to be so bland and so boring. I also don't feel like i'll learn anything from it."
NeoKira1 votesFirst off, any champ with damage on their ult relies on ult for 'full burst'. fizz does too. If ur argument is to kill a squishy target than i better understand what you are saying, but you're actually wrong in that case. Zed does not need ult to kill targets. That's one of the things that makes him so annoying. He has a lot of sustained damage mixed in with simple escape potential, easy farming, sustain that is easy to obtain because he's AD and it works with him, item effets work way too well in conjunction with his ult (for example, his ult does more damage when it goes off based on how much damage u've already done. They put this on an AD champ in conjunction with that passive + AD champs are able to work with Bork. which means he gets bork active on top of his already existing damage to amplify his ult damage.) But by far the most annoying thing is how it always feels like Zed is in absolute control when playing this game. If a Zed loses lane, that is his fault. Now that sounds like a no brainer overall right? Well here's the thing. When you beat a zed, how often does it feel like you beat a good Zed? Like how often are you able to say it was because you outplayed him, and not because he was making mistakes? most of the time, when i beat a zed, i feel like i owe my victory to his mistakes, and not to my own undertakings. And that feeling is honestly kind of infuriating. There are just some champions in this game that when you see them in the loading screen make you feel like "Whether i beat him or lose to him i already know this game is going to be so bland and so boring. I also don't feel like i'll learn anything from it."
Ninpire1 votesFirst off, any champ with damage on their ult relies on ult for 'full burst'. fizz does too. If ur argument is to kill a squishy target than i better understand what you are saying, but you're actually wrong in that case. Zed does not need ult to kill targets. That's one of the things that makes him so annoying. He has a lot of sustained damage mixed in with simple escape potential, easy farming, sustain that is easy to obtain because he's AD and it works with him, item effets work way too well in conjunction with his ult (for example, his ult does more damage when it goes off based on how much damage u've already done. They put this on an AD champ in conjunction with that passive + AD champs are able to work with Bork. which means he gets bork active on top of his already existing damage to amplify his ult damage.) But by far the most annoying thing is how it always feels like Zed is in absolute control when playing this game. If a Zed loses lane, that is his fault. Now that sounds like a no brainer overall right? Well here's the thing. When you beat a zed, how often does it feel like you beat a good Zed? Like how often are you able to say it was because you outplayed him, and not because he was making mistakes? most of the time, when i beat a zed, i feel like i owe my victory to his mistakes, and not to my own undertakings. And that feeling is honestly kind of infuriating. There are just some champions in this game that when you see them in the loading screen make you feel like "Whether i beat him or lose to him i already know this game is going to be so bland and so boring. I also don't feel like i'll learn anything from it."
Dude zed would need to get in a lot of autos to 100 to 0 a squishy without his ultimate. Fizz's ult is mainly for slowing people and not really used for the damage. It just makes it easier to land his other stuff. Fizz snowballs so hard he really can 100 to 0 squishies without ever using his ultimate. Zed? Chances are if you're a squishy, you're going to try to avoid being alone.
But I do have to agree with you that zed crushes lane pretty hard.
Gunpoint1 voteshonestly i feel that people forget that zed is an assassin in the end who relies on his ultimate for his full burst. he's a super safe assassin yeah, but if he initiated badly and r's away, then he wont have the ultimate for a while. unlike fizz who can fucking qwe and youre dead.
and yeah i remember seeing someone on here saying that you have to cc zed for 6 seconds to prevent him from getting away with his shadows, it shouldnt take 6 fucking seconds to kill a squishy (ass)assin
so stop the zed hate and hate more on fizz. fizz even smiles at you to piss you off more. zeds just like grrr
Fizz relies on his ult for his full burst too. Zed is just as capable as killing squishies without his ult as Fizz is.
Sinister Anubis4 voteshave you ever thought about stayinh near his shadows so when he decides to jump back you can kill him there if not you have no idea how to make him pay threw his and your own actions "cause and effect" "for ever action there is a greater or equal reaction" Learn this know this sleep on this and / profit.
Tabs4 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XA5HA4Z,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-16T00:11:40.976+0000)
have you ever thought about stayinh near his shadows so when he decides to jump back you can kill him there if not you have no idea how to make him pay threw his and your own actions "cause and effect" "for ever action there is a greater or equal reaction" Learn this know this sleep on this and / profit.
If you are alone he will always win. Chase him away? He goes back to shadow Stay by his shadow? He runs the other way
Alpharite2 votesYeah, why the hell should an assassin win 1v1's, let's nerf all assassins so they are forced to build tank and offer counterplay
ThePlasticSpork5 votesYeah, why the hell should an assassin win 1v1's, let's nerf all assassins so they are forced to build tank and offer counterplay
Let me rephrase this strawman in a way such that you might understand the point. What you're essentially asking is: "Yeah, why the hell should an assassin be able to ult in 1 v 3 and expect to live regardless of whether or not he kills his target"
Sinister Anubis2 votesIf you are alone he will always win. Chase him away? He goes back to shadow Stay by his shadow? He runs the other way
sounds like you got it all figured out no need to tell you anymore.....
Tabs1 votes[{quoted}](name=Master Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5XA5HA4Z,comment-id=000400000002,timestamp=2014-12-16T03:33:56.580+0000)
sounds like you got it all figured out no need to tell you anymore.....
Yes sir, I'm a smart one sir.
Sinister Anubis1 votesYes sir, I'm a smart one sir.
Apparently not cause you would of picked up on my sarcastic remark.
Leblancs Boob2 votesZed is way to dang safe for an assassin. Assassins should be high risk high reward... He shouldn't be able to just ult and ALWAYS get out whether or not he kills his target
Cumătru Yi2 votesMUH SKILLCAP MUTHAFUCKA
3ternalkarma2 votesi remember when zed first got changed... his ult shadow used to spawn behind you.... people called him op....... NOW it spawns from where he ults and people considered him trash tier.... now hes op again make up your minds already my god -_-
DropFill1 votesMy problem with him is that QSS gives mr, and he does a lot of PHYSICAL damage
Ninpire3 votesMy problem with him is that QSS gives mr, and he does a lot of PHYSICAL damage
honestly i think thats why so many adcs have dashes now. to stay away from the assassins. so zed cant really get the kill if he deathmarks and then the ezreal e's away and then his ult just went to waste. poof. which is why i feel bad for ashe and varus cause they have to ult to try to get away. and i feel REALLY bad for kog and mf cause theyre dead if they get deathmarked.
Jillfinger1 votesMeanwhile Fizz gets a free flash and invulnerability every 5 seconds or so.
Knight Devout1 votesZed should have an higher cooldown for Death mark if death mark target doesn't die.
Most of the time just by using death mark and a half assed combo zed can force his enemy to recall (especially true against non-lifesteal laners), while having it ready for the next teamfight.
