Like seriously? You rage about one of the better designed champions in the game? Ffs it's getting rediculous how many people want to just completely gut this guy. CC counters lee sin so had its not funny.
Maybe he could get a small nerf, like add an energy cost to his ult or reduce it's dmg by 25.
SEKAI3 votesCC counters everybody, but 1 cc can get master yi dead, and you need the entire team's cc to hopefully kill this monk.
When they design champs, they will lay out their strengths and weaknesses, so players can figure out how to exploit the weakness and avoid their strength. Lee's weakness is not tangible as it's Time, meaning his late game.
Let's not mention his late game is not a completely fallout like Shaco's if he doesn't get an early snowballing, he simply retreat and become a cc tank.
Also because of Lee standing out too much, he completely dominated jungle for 3 years. Riot, because of their poor management skill failed to realise why is Lee so strong and created a series of jungler trying to combat Lee Sin, before they come to realise that Lee is too good because he has everything.
Now they are currently in the position that they actually can not nerf him because once they do, the ones that were originally created to counter Lee will just rise and replace him become the new jungle cancer. Therefore instead of nerfing him they just keep this guy afloat, hopeing people get used to him rather than facing a new threat.
Tragic story really.
(Also the enormous Lee main outcry when they actually tried to nerf him, but let's not go there)
Social Justice 11 votesCC counters everybody, but 1 cc can get master yi dead, and you need the entire team's cc to hopefully kill this monk.
Let's not mention his late game is not a completely fallout like Shaco's if he doesn't get an early snowballing, he simply retreat and become a cc tank.
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2: I don't know which is worse judgement, saying Lee Sin has a bad lategame unless he gets fed, or saying that Shaco has a bad lategame unless he gets fed.
SEKAI1 votesI personally don't quite understand the reason behind this post, but
Ok I'll take it.
Rustling Bush1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nono Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5W9VEyYz,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-01-05T03:30:53.465+0000)
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2: I don't know which is worse judgement, saying Lee Sin has a bad lategame unless he gets fed, or saying that Shaco has a bad lategame unless he gets fed.
not sure about lee sin but i read in a few shaco guides that he really does fall off late game and that the game should be finshed before it hits that point if your playing him.
Poptart Evelynn2 votesI play lee sin because I have to not because I want to. You see the problem?
SexyTaylorSwift2 votesPeople complain about Lee Sin because there hasn't been a time since I started playing before S3, that he hasn't been top tier jungler. If others reach close to this level, they are nerfed.
Rustling Bush2 votes"just cc him guys"
hes not a glasscannon, i'm afraid that line doesn't work here (not that it ever did) and besides he doesn't have a hard time escaping either since he can jump to any ally/ward and still have flash available. people find him to strong because he has to much damage while inherently being tanky, he's a real real real pain in the hands of someone who knows how to land a skill shot.
ImaChickIRL1 votesor reduce it's dmg by 25.
holy shit that made me laugh. wp sir.. wp.
Bears Dont Care1 votesHe overcentralizes so hard it hurts. He needs a rework or proper nerfs.
Actin1 votesHis energy costs need to be increased or his passive needs a nerf
The spell vamp should be removed completely
These two simple changes give him "meaningful choices" (lol Rito) instead of just resourceless and spam happy.
Alternatively, Dragon's Rage needs to be reduced from 200% to 100%. If the damage is kept the same, then it should at least have an energy cost. There's no reason for him to have a massive AD nuke for free with that much utility.
Skarner got nerfed the very next patch following his rework, but Lee is allowed to dominate for three seasons now.
TheI3igDaddy1 votes'CC counters Lee Sin'
-uses Q- "Subject's movement has been impaired, proceeding to 'examine'".
+ Safeguard's away. "Hueheuheueheuehuehe"
-uses Q- "Quick everyone, I tagged him! Be prepared to face wrath of ram!"
-uses Q on a nearby jungle camp and jumps over a wall OR Safeguards to a teammate- "Heuehueheueeuheuehue"
"DRAG HIM DOWWWWN..." -uses Q + passive to lock him down-
-ults Naut back into the rest of his team, knocking at least 2 other champs in the process; Q's away or ward hops-
"HEUEHEEUEHUHUEHUEHEUEHEUEHEUEHE."
The Red Warden1 votesWhat type of cc are you describing exactly since hard cc (stuns, fears, knock ups) counter everything (except an ulting Olaf, or a Morgana shield). Softer CC (slows and binds) barely affects him since he can just Q or W away making them useless most of the time. Even Rioters have said he has problems, usually based on the fact that there isn't much of an established identity for Lee Sin except for how he is just generally good at near everything.
DoraTheBrown1 votesbut low elo lee sins r very gud
