3 tanks played top lane

Ahristocats·Feb 2, 2017·86 votes·5,588 views

1 tank played in the jungle

and you dare call it a tank meta

162 Comments

Sahn UzalFeb 2, 201729 votes

Poppy's strong Maokai's pretty good. ...? Who else?

And Zac in the Jungle.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 201731 votes

nautilus

Sahn UzalFeb 2, 20176 votes

Meh, I don't think Nautilus is Meta anymore. He kinda just dissapeared after the CoC nerf

Papa AndreiFeb 2, 201725 votes

Hes there, just kinda lurking in the depths of the pick phase, waiting, watching.

doiminat0r3600Feb 2, 201720 votes

Fits his lore pretty well.

HammermancerFeb 3, 20175 votes

like rammus?

Every now and then you'll be last pick as support, jg or top... and the enemy team has a kindred, a quinn and a normal adc... then you see it... the lucian mid.... the ashe support

and then you're rammus (Or taric)

and you spend the whole game trying to get a penta with a champion that shouldnt ever really carry, but nothing can hurt you, nothing can stop you... except frozen mallet

bill84Feb 3, 20172 votes

Or... You are in the same situation as Galio and you see the teemo top, brand mid, ziggs bot, zyra bot, diana jungle.

Nothing can stop you. Except maybe morello's.

Inuyasha99999Feb 3, 20172 votes

Thats a slow and fh almost directly counteracts that with a deadmans as well

Rito StaffFeb 3, 20172 votes

Or ashe support herself

AMYS GRAVEFeb 2, 20178 votes

Zac is outshone heavily by rengar, kha, ivern,

Tails9016Feb 2, 20173 votes

Sion is decent... if you're dumb enough to stay in his q, other than that he'll need his team

ItsOrvalFeb 3, 20172 votes

Amumu Hecarim Illaoi Irelia Kled Malphite Maokai Nautilus Olaf Poppy Sejuani Shyvana Singed Swain Trundle Zac

Sahn UzalFeb 3, 201718 votes

I don't think you understand the words ''Meta'' or ''Tank''

Gregor GysiFeb 3, 20172 votes

Shen, if we are talking competetive. And when we are talking competetive we should also remember that only Jayce is remotely viable non-tank toplane. (Singed is a counter to tanks and builds tanky himself - I'm not even sure what champion class Singed is)

When it comes to soloQ then we got plenty tanks that are viable, like Shen, Sion, Malphite, Amumu, Rammus etc etc.

But it's not a tank meta. As it is right now we got a tank meta toplane in competetive, carry junglers in competetive, mage mid and support.

In soloQ people tend to somewhat mimic competetive which means tank top, carry jg, mage mid and support - but not exclusive on either position. Frankly, as it is right now some champions of basically every class are viable.

Generally, I would say that tanks are overall very strong toplane, too weak in the jungle and too weak at support - although the latter is mostly due to certain mages being too strong.

Sahn UzalFeb 3, 20171 votes

Yeah stuff like Sion's pretty ok, but they're not meta. Which is what we're talking abhout here

Gregor GysiFeb 3, 20171 votes

Well, Sion is even picked in competetive, so he is viable in this meta. I mean sure, he is not dominating competetive, but it's rare to have more than 3 champions dominating in one lane, so if OP was only talking about the super OPs then his argument would be very weak.

Sahn UzalFeb 3, 20172 votes

I watched that game, and loved it. But he got picked because all the other options were gone. IIRC, Poppy and Maokai were banned, Nautilus was already locked in for the support.

Sion being picked was a result of the 10 ban system doing gods work.

Gregor GysiFeb 3, 20171 votes

Exactly! As I said, it's very rare to have more than 3 champions dominating any lane. But OP tried to make a point saying that only "3 tanks are played top lane" implying that this is not enough to call it a tank meta - when the other tanks are simply crowded out by the 3 strongest ones.

Sahn UzalFeb 3, 20171 votes

That's competetive LoL though, I highly doubt Sion would've been considered picking up over stuff like Fiora in a solo queue enviroment. Not only because of the Gotta Carrry Yourself mindset people have. In non-organized teams, people are not nearly as likely to play off a Tank. Follow up on his engages. The amount of times my ADC walked out of my Sion Q, just to get jumped by a Kha'Zix or something is too damn high.

I think in a regular enviroment, Sion is being crowded out by stronger champions, be it tanks or be it something else.

Gregor GysiFeb 3, 20171 votes

I'd argue that Sion is even stronger in soloQ - the fact that he has a 2% higher winrate despite the fact that Fiora players are much more experienced than Sion players supports that. After all Sion is harder to punish seeing how tanky he is - and I really don't think that many Sion's use their Q predictionary rather than reactionary. And seeing how Fiora loves to splitpush she definetely needs a competent team aswell - many people tend to just suicide engage 4v5 while their splitpusher is about to take a turret.

But this is not about Sion, it's about tanks clearly dominating toplane (which doesn't have to be a problem though, it's just a fact).

Sahn UzalFeb 3, 20171 votes

True, you definetly have a point there.

Sion has a huge amount of counterplay, and people in lower ELO's are really bad at using the counterplay they're given. So Sion has a good winrate.

He probably was not the best example I could've used...

KoggyStyleFeb 4, 20171 votes

yup counterplay too ult away? flash bodyblock.... thats fkin it XD, thats semi cancer but hey its all good right?

Sahn UzalFeb 4, 20172 votes

His ultimate is so damn easy to dodge lol. You can bend your pathing around him and he won't be able to turn fast enough.

KoggyStyleFeb 5, 20171 votes

no... you misunderstand person^^ he ults AWAY and you can either position to bodyblock of flash it.

Sahn UzalFeb 5, 20172 votes

Oh, yeah :P

Or you can Lee Q him in his ass which, for some reason, also stops his ult :/

WhammerFeb 2, 20175 votes

Lets not forget that the 3 tanks played in top lane are the meta top lane they can face anything and have no realistic losing matchups. And all 3 of they can easily 1v1 an enemy carry while you can barely put a dent in their shield

Sahn UzalFeb 2, 201721 votes

Jayce is the best toplaner right now. Fiora Camille These 2 are meta, and they beat tanks. Riven is meta

PennsFeb 2, 20172 votes

More like "because" they beat tanks which are meta lel

Sahn UzalFeb 2, 201711 votes

Jayce and Riven are (supposed to) get their ass handed to them by Tanks. Camille is just really overpowered. Fiora is very strong aswell.

OelykFeb 2, 20171 votes

I lol at Riven and Jayce getting there ass handed to them with Lethality.

HammermancerFeb 3, 20172 votes

you know jayce builds lethality right? as one of the big four builds

there's also 40% crit, tank jayce (Which is basically just a sunfire and an iceborn), and triforce/bruiser jayce (Sheen is really fun with him)

General Esdeath Feb 2, 20171 votes

Riven loses to a good amount of tanks.

Darius Garen Malphite Maokai Nautilus Olaf Poppy Renekton Trundle

WutsKrakenFeb 2, 201711 votes

Malphite Maokai Nautilus Poppy Only these are tanks of the ones you listed, everyone else is a bruiser

Poppy is the only one of those tanks that really counters Riven The others just try to farm against her until they get items for midgame when they stand a fighting chance, before that Riven can easily out play and out trade them and snowball her lead if she know what she's doing Also, any Riven that wastes time mid-game hitting a tank in teamfights is dumb, they're supposed to use their mobility to kill squishies and circumvent the tanks to kill more squishies

HammermancerFeb 3, 20174 votes

i agree on all of your points but you dont need to mention Riven

Riven always finds a way, sort of like Yasuo

they just show up to any party and either go 20/0 or 0/20

AhristocatsFeb 2, 201729 votes

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Lets not forget that the 3 tanks played in top lane are the meta top lane they can face anything and have no realistic losing matchups.

Swain lol

{quoted} And all 3 of they can easily 1v1 an enemy carry while you can barely put a dent in their shield

they can 1v1 an enemy carry until late game WHEN THE HYPER CARRY IS ONLY STRONG HERE AND SINCE MOBAS WERE CREATED IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THIS where he kills in 4 sec the enemy tank

Brain Errör 404Feb 2, 20172 votes

I just went against a poppy. We reached late game, I was full build and there was NO killing her in 2 seconds. No even close. So far from it that it was taking 15+ seconds with 4 people on her to get her to half health.

My problem with Poppy is how tanky she gets so quickly. A sunfires shouldn't be enough for you to face tank 3 people for more than 20 fucking seconds.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 201718 votes

link me the game then, no hyper carry takes 15+ sec to get a poppy under 50% hp

that sounds bullshit, unless you link me the game to see that you didn't have a hyper carry

no tanks will die in 2 seconds, but it won't take 15 sec, it will take nearly 4 or 5 seconds

Brain Errör 404Feb 2, 20172 votes

You said carry, not hyper carry. Only 2 adcs, to my knowledge, can really shred a Poppy:

Vayne KogMaw

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20171 votes

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Brain Errör 404Feb 2, 20172 votes

Thanks for le clarification [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

If you must know, I was Varus that game. Late game, when I got dove by le poppy, it took 8 seconds to get her down to 25% health. After she ate 3 tower shots. Mid game, I probably didn't have anywhere near enough damage to get her to half health alone even within a 20 second window.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20174 votes

here is how you know if you're a hyper carry: all your damage comes from autoattacks if you have to cast spells you're not a hyper carr

and yes varus can't do anything against tanks, but he's still picked because of his insane utility utility>tank killing according to lcs

Earl EulrichFeb 2, 20173 votes

that´s plain wrong, if you build a normal crit-build and use his passive right varus melts tanks fast enough as it is. it´s just the stupid tear+flatpen build taht does crap against tanks, and that´s how it is supposed to be.

HueboneFeb 2, 20176 votes

"If you have to cast spells you're not a hypercarry" Azir Even if rito hates him, you gotta admit, 6 item slot Azir is a hypercarry.

MelledoneusFeb 3, 20174 votes

Cute, but we all know that Azir doesn't hold a candle to the kind of shit Vayne and Jinx do late game.

...except the Shurima Shuffle. That shit is cool.

Rito StaffFeb 3, 20172 votes

Azir does the same, or very close to, damage. But AoE. But magic damage. He has been guuted tho, so I'm not sure anymore

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20176 votes

Ashe Vayne Jinx Kindred Caitlyn Graves KogMaw Vayne Twitch Draven will eat poppy alive

Onkel MalteFeb 3, 20178 votes

is poppy some kind of cheese or why does twitch eat her twice?

Chaotic ReksFeb 3, 20173 votes

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will eat ~~poppy~~ EVERYONE alive