You can only earn one honor capsule every 3 weeks and you don't actually get anything out of it.

Quepha·Sep 15, 2017·42 votes·3,131 views

Pretty disappointed with honor capsules. Because they still follow the key drop cap, the fragments you get are a net gain of zero so all that remains is a crappy champion shard.

Since we have a hard limit of 1 capsule every 3 weeks, the differences between honor 3, 4, and 5 are pretty much nonexistent since even a low droprate at honor 3 will still get you to that one capsule limit.

I thought players were supposed to be rewarded for gaining honor? All you did was create a bunch of animations to obscure the fact that the new honor is exactly as worthless as the old system.

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Critmaster GarenSep 15, 20178 votes

wait. even at honor level 5? thats weak.

DeathBurstSep 15, 20177 votes

No, ONE capsule replaces ONE Key Fragment, but it contains MULTIPLE Key Fragment. I've received 3 capsules until now, one contained 3 Frags, and the other two contained 2 Frags each. That's a total of 5 more Frags than I would've without the Capsule.

The Shards are just a bonus.

QuephaSep 15, 201710 votes

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No, ONE capsule replaces ONE Key Fragment, but it contains MULTIPLE Key Fragment.

Wrong. Riot has confirmed that you still cannot achieve more than 12 key fragments per 4 week period even with honor capsules.

The shards are the only real reward.

DeathBurstSep 15, 20174 votes

Imma gonna need a source on that.

QuephaSep 15, 201710 votes

here ya go https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/M5pvJwUZ-honor-capsules?comment=0000

Kirius DarkSep 15, 201710 votes

"Hey son, I'm gonna pack you lunches everyday but some random days you'll get more food which will come out of your lunches on other days this month"

He better realize that bonus food day is a special reward. /s

DeathBurstSep 15, 20175 votes

Thanks. I asked for clarifications, but I think that's just Porocles poor phrasing. There was multiple other Red Posts implying the opposite, and as you said it yourself in that thread, that's just too stupid to be true.

QuephaSep 15, 20173 votes

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that's just too stupid to be true.

I thought having a key cap at all was too stupid to be true and Riot proved me wrong, so I won't make that assumption again.

I actually think it's more likely that Porocles here gave an accurate assessment of how the key cap works and whatever posts you're thinking about are from Rioters who just don't understand how the system works (which has happened before when Rioters made posts indicating there was no key cap).

Good luck getting a response, they seem to keep a very tight lid on details for hextech crafting drop rates even among their employees.

DeathBurstSep 15, 20171 votes

Well, not to start a whole new conversation, but I don't see the problem with the Keys cap... I mean, it's obvious they have to cap the amount of free stuff they give out.

QuephaSep 15, 20176 votes

Already capped by chests.

The key cap on top of that means that players will want to stretch to get those last fragments every month even if they're busy or just don't feel like playing and they don't clearly know what their deadline is before the drops are lost. At least chests can be earned quickly if you focus on them and you have a clear timer on when you would be wasting potential chest drops.

ForFoxSakesSep 15, 20175 votes

I thought honor capsules would actually mean something too, especially to help out in giving out champs department, but really hasnt. 2 capsules I got here had 2 key frags & grey WW, then 2 key frags + nunu shard. That's while having honor 3 since about as early as I could get it then H4 shortly after

On my alt acct which has H3, havent received a single capsule.

Leveling honor barely has any impact from the baseline at all.

That limit of 1 per 3 weeks is just a limit on their part when you likely wont even get 1 per 3 weeks since the bad luck prevention lists it at 1 for every 2 months it's more likely to just give out 1 every 5-6 weeks

137434Sep 15, 20173 votes

At least you lucked out with the grey WW.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 15, 20174 votes

This is still more than nothing... I'm not sure why everyone thinks that's so bad.

Honestly, they are giving away money for people playing nicely. It's not a TON of free stuff, no, but it's enough to be a solid incentive.

How is this worse than the system they had before we ever saw loot? This is better, no?

QuephaSep 15, 20173 votes

There's no significant difference between the rewards for honor 2 and honor 5, honor capsules basically give nothing but were presented in a way that implies we get more key drops than if we weren't getting capsules. Riot was clearly trying to deceive us into thinking we were getting more from higher honor levels.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 15, 20173 votes

The icon is the major difference from 2-5, and that's fine.
I get more key frags now. It's also not nothing; it's only nothing if you already bought everything and you play all the time. For the average player, this is an improvement; it's only natural to have a cap, so they don't lose too much revenue and tank their own business model. That's perfectly normal and healthy.
Riot certainly never tried to deceive you. If they were trying to deceive you, you wouldn't have most of this info. They could have just as easily withheld it. Makes no sense to share info if they are trying to trick us.

Most of your arguments here just aren't consistent with Riot's behavior. They are giving away free stuff. I fail to see how that's something worth complaining about.

QuephaSep 15, 20174 votes

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I get more key frags now.

This is a lie. The cap is exactly the same but they've leveled off drop rates. It used to be the case that you'd gain most of your drops right away and then your droprate would fall off for the last few, but with a more level droprate across the month then the players who were not close to the cap before would be seeing fewer drops. You're either restricted by the cap and get the same number of fragments or you were not hitting the cap and now get less.

Riot certainly never tried to deceive you.

Honor capsules give more than one key fragment but those extra key fragments still count towards your key drop cap. You don't gain honor capsules unless you have leveled up your honor which actually takes a significant number of games meaning you're the type of player who was probably restricted by the drop cap.

You can't tell me that capsules counting towards the cap is intuitive to players. You can't tell me Riot didn't realize that the extra key fragments in capsules would probably be worthless for the vast majority of players that would see them. It's pretty obvious this system was designed to feel like you were getting a lot when you're really getting nothing and that makes it deceptive.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 15, 20172 votes

Doesn't address the reason they told you that. If they are trying to trick you, why'd they even give out that info?

As for the frags, I do think I get more. I get the capsules, they have many frags, I don't hit the cap, and it's nice. I can't really formulate a logical argument to "you're lying," so there's not really much more to say there, I guess.

QuephaSep 15, 20171 votes

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I can't really formulate a logical argument to "you're lying,"

You could provide evidence that you're gaining more key drops per game, but that would be very difficult as Riot has never revealed the timer on the key drop cycle so it's very difficult to know whether or not you're close to losing your key drops.

NebuulSep 16, 20172 votes

If you get 3 key fragments per week for a total 12/month
If a capsule has multiple key fragments
If higher honor increases capsule chance instead of one of your fragments

Then higher honor grants more key fragments. Easy enough, right?

CaveslothSep 17, 20171 votes

So far I've stayed at exactly the same number of key frags a month since honor launched and I'm LVL 5. It seems to be pretty set in stone but it is more consistent a droprate than before the new system so at least I'm not slowly building up more chests than keys like I was before.

That said I agree with you about them not tricking us. The info was all out there, and I didn't expect riot to shower us with free shit, just enough "carrot" to keep people honorable. That's point of the new system and I see toxicity far less often than before so I'd say its working. Whether or not it works long term remains to be seen of course, but I'd say they've done a good job so far.

I am a bit upset though it did seem way too easy to get to LVL5, it didn't feel like much of an accomplishment to me, I made the lvls just about a week after the people in the forums were posting "FIRST", so it didn't feel terribly special, maybe it'll take longer to get 5 next season since honor rolled out halfway through they accelerated progression or something. And hopefully end of season rewards for LVL 5 are better than just another stupid icon I'll never use.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 17, 20171 votes

That is my biggest issue with it, I think. Right now, it's more of an on/off switch. That's a legit thing, and I'm not sure why we have 5 levels if the intent is just to keep you honorable. You can be neutral, good, and bad and it would do the same job.

There is a clarity issue here that Riot could have avoided, I think, since the reward tiers aren't significantly different from each other, anyway.

CaveslothSep 18, 20171 votes

Supposedly at end of season you get rewards based on your honor lvl, so supposedly ya know, being LVL5 will be better than say lvl 3 or w/e. But I guess we gotta wait and see. Hopefully its not just another damn lame icon we'll never use.

I do agree with you about the lack of clarity on what the levels actually mean though. Since LVL3 doesn't seem any different than lvl 5.

SailorPsychoSep 15, 20172 votes

There's no significant difference between the rewards for honor 2 and honor 5

Actually, there are.

First, there is the screen flair from tier 3-5.

Second, there are the yet to be announced End of Season rewards for being in tier 3-5. They will most likely all be different depending on where you end.

Honor capsules are just a small reward, there is still plenty more to this systme and plenty more to come.

BobaFlautistSep 15, 20173 votes

More recent post clarified it: getting a capsule counts towards your 12 frag limit (so you can't get more than 12 login frags and capsules together). Getting key fragments from within he capsule does not count towards the cap.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/M5pvJwUZ-honor-capsules?comment=000000010000

Much more reasonable.

nGioSep 16, 20175 votes

I don't find that reasonable at all. Why would a game incentivize 'doing dailies', as opposed to 'play a lot, get a lot'? Going from 2-5, I would just log in for a daily ARAM, and I hit honor 5 the same day as a friend who plays 5-10 a day. From honor levels, to keys, to capsules, it's all built on casual play.

A limit of 12 fragments is already bad enough, but having capsules use key fragment slots makes it even worse, especially if the capsules have a high rate of bricking. If some dude wants to play League 18 hours a day, and maintains his honor while doing it, he should get more rewards than the guy playing 1 game a day.

It's a lot harder to stay untilted for 300 games than it is for 30, and if enough hardcore players are staying positive over hundreds and thousands of games, it will have a much larger influence on the community. Honor rewards should actually get better the more you play and stay positive, but it doesn't benefit anyone to do that.

Putting limits on player rewards for playing a game is some archaic shit, and should have died off a long time ago. No company should ever offer a system that is "okay dailies done, rewards received, time to do something else". There are so many games and genres now, that our choices are unlimited. Give me rewards for playing more, and permanently unlock that fucking vault full of custom games that I'd rather be playing while you're at it.

CyberBaltSep 16, 20171 votes

Why? It's supposed to be a measure of how honorable you are, not how much you play the game. More IP is your reward for playing the game more.

pocoorangeSep 16, 20171 votes

The IP you can do jack shit with when you have all the champions, and even less now that riot is reworking runes

CyberBaltSep 16, 20171 votes

Well, increasing the amount of rewards you get wouldn't really change anything if you already have all the champions. I don't think honor capsules drop skins, except for warwick and twitch.

EndlessCycleSep 16, 20173 votes

They reworked it to nerf key fragment drop rates. I was getting 9-12 key fragments easily a month before, without grinding 24/7. Im getting like 6-8 now.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20172 votes

my honor capsule had pulse-fire ezreal shard now i gotta get get the orange essence lol

QuephaSep 15, 201710 votes

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my honor capsule had pulse-fire ezreal shard now i gotta get get the orange essence lol

Nice lie bro.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20171 votes

not a lie

QuephaSep 15, 20179 votes

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not a lie

The only skin shards that drop from honor capsules are grey warwick and medieval twitch.

You lied.

LordKentravyonSep 16, 20171 votes

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The only skin shards that drop from honor capsules are grey warwick and medieval twitch.

You lied.

I just got grey ww today :)

ForFoxSakesSep 15, 20176 votes

100% a lie. Honor capsules give keys + ONLY champ shards or ONLY 2 very specific skins that auto unlock when opened.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20173 votes

my bad it was a chest, the capsule had keys that i used to open the chest lol. i save everything then open it on the end of the month

QuephaSep 15, 201710 votes

Honor capsules contribute to the same key drop cap as regular key drops so you would have earned the same number of keys regardless.

Honor capsules give virtually nothing and definitely did not contribute to getting that pulsefire ezreal shard.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20172 votes

its just a different way of distributing keys, instead of post game its on log in.

QuephaSep 15, 20173 votes

a different way of distributing the same number of keys when it was supposed to be a reward for being honorable.

if you get the same amount of stuff regardless of if you're honorable or not, then it's not a reward.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20172 votes

you dont keys unless you are honorable

QuephaSep 15, 20172 votes

you get the exact same number of keys whether you are honor 2 or honor 5.

Mizuki ZahraSep 15, 20172 votes

ya so if you troll you get 0 keys

im just not gonna argue with you its getting nowhere

QuephaSep 15, 20172 votes

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ya so if you troll you get 0 keys

punishments always disabled key drops.

WimbledofySep 15, 20173 votes

Thats not considered being honorable. That's just called being normal.

ModAcademy KaynSep 16, 20172 votes

One could argue that not being a jerk in general is honorable.

Hexs FortuneSep 16, 20172 votes

The real reward for honor 3-5 is the loading screen flair. Anything extra is just rng friend.

SoujiSep 15, 20171 votes

My friend got both special skins in his two capsules. Meanwhile all I've gotten is an Illaoi and Akali shard. FeelsBadMan

PopcornBunniSep 16, 20171 votes

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My friend got both special skins in his two capsules. Meanwhile all I've gotten is an Illaoi and Akali shard. FeelsBadMan

At least those two are worth a fair bit of Essence and can save on IP if you don't have them.

I've gotten a Garen and Annie shard.

PimpStickNasusSep 17, 20171 votes

IDK what y'all are on about. I got a garen Champion shard from my second one. So like, pretty lucky. First one was some trash skin for that trash champion I've never played Middle Twitch or something like that

muted team chatSep 17, 20171 votes

who cares about keys and chests? You're just going to get some ward skin from 5 years ago and a champ skin fragment or whatever the useless junk is. I am still mystified as to what blue essence is but it seems like I need a lot of it aand never get it.

f this system