comparing champions with resets. (give nid back her full (70%) pounce reset on non-jungle camps)

SwiftKitten88··1 votes·1,005 views

lets talk about "reset" abilities

Irelia is a bruiser right?

she gets a full reset when killing a minion with her Q that is.. the cooldown goes to ZERO

Katarina gets a "reset" to about .5 second on her shunpo" she can also shupo to any side of her target dodging most skillshot even if he is REQUIRED to shunpo to get out alive because she is in a bad location and would die to a different oppoent if she stayed

when she goes near a dagger Leblanc and return to her old location after .2 seconds to get out safely

(not quite a reset, but it still gets her back to complete safety)

and now we have my main Nidalee in patch 6.11 my "reset" on my pounce was changes from 70% reset to a 40/50/60/70% reset at the lvls of my ultimate 1/6/11/16

in 6.21 as a placebo nerf to her worlds play every kitty cooldown was increase from 5 seconds to 6 seconds

now to go in-depth how pounce reset works, i either need to KILL a unit WITH the damage from pounce (this is what allowed her to CS in kitty form back season 4 and 6 when she was laning and ahead enough that she could use her mobility skill to do this safely as a squishy melee champ)

and when pouncing to a HUNTED unit.. (which means i had to land a spear on them) (theoretically you can also have someone step on a trap.. but in practice the chances of them doing that when u nearby and are in a position to pounce in and they are low enough and alone and not fed so u coudl do so.. happened about once every 500 nid games)

(so basically u need to land the spear 99.99% of the time) if you were to get a reset on pouncing to a hunted target)

now the REASON for the "incremental reset" was because nidalee could start wolves and/or raptors with her W and get reset after reset to clear the camp extremely fast and with no leash. this also allowed her to get pounce lvl 1, meaning should would also have it for safety and was near impossible to invade and did not require Korean ADC stutter steeping skills, in order to start W and not die to camps)

fast forward to now. i can see why again getting a full reset on wolves and raptors would be an issue.. but that is one situation. if she KILLS a unit or pounces to a champion... there is no reason. why she should NOT get her full reset back jungle camps can KEEP the incremental reset if they are hunted , because that is WHY the reset was added.. but when we have champions that now make nidalee's 40% reset completely laughable

oh good my pounce reset down to 4 seconds from 6. that's going to help me escape... because.. u know... being stuck in an area for FOUR SECONDS as a squishy champ isn't enough time for someone to kill me.

and Nidalee isn't a champ that can 1v5 carry anyways.

if you group as 5 and push mid tower.. she could 18 and have full build and u could be lvl 11 with 3 items... she still cant stop you. she NEEDS her team.

in her current stats nidalee is not "bad"

but when i see champions like Irelia get BUFFED on their RESET skill when they are already in a state SOO much better than nid.. i just feel like that is completely bullshit.

4 Comments

StefanX221 votes

nid is in a good spot probably A+ or S tier jungler why would you ever buff her and that change would make her clear and mobility unreasonably fast

SwiftKitten881 votes

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nid is in a good spot probably A+ or S tier jungler why would you ever buff her and that change would make her clear and mobility unreasonably fast

did u even read the post?

i guess that was rhetorical.. u clearly didn't.

this would specially NOT buff her clear, and idk how u can say it would make her "fast" that doesn't even make since.

StefanX221 votes

ah i missed that part but still why would u buff nidalee i dont understand

SwiftKitten881 votes

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ah i missed that part but still why would u buff nidalee i dont understand

i know she isn't in a spot where she "needs" buffs,

infact nid is is a decently good spot at the moment

its just riot is buffing champions that are in a MUCH better spot than she is.

and there are 3 changes i want reverted

one of which was her placebo nerf in 6.21 to increase kitty cooldown from 5 second (where they had been for the first 7 years since her release) only to have the 6.22 patch completely gut her due to indirect nerfs (the gutting of item 3116 and the removal of strength of ages)

the other two for which she DID need to be nerfed yes.. but the issue with was how they did it.

the first of which was the changing of her post rework traps from 8% max hp +2% per 100ap (over 4 seconds) (capped at 200 vs jungle camps) to a flat 40 ( and yes it levels up to 200+ 20% ap at lvl 18, but yeah that is still the worst damaging skill in the game

i mean that 50 damage per second is really going to hurt people in this meta.

this nerf was dont to prevent her from clearly jungle camps too fast by stacking 5 oif them directly under a buff camp for a 4 second skill while she did another camp

but the OBVOIUS solution to that is LOWER THE PRE-EXISTING CAPS U SET ON JUNGLEMOSTERS FOR THIS SKILL FROM 200 TO 40 this accomplishes the EXACT SAME THING, while keeping hr only defense against high hp targets, even if it was horribly unreliable source of damage

the 2nd being the one i discussed on my OP

her reset turing "to an "incremental" reset done in 6.11 which as i described in my OP was done to stop her from keep pouncing to a bunch of small nearby jungle camps next to eachother for fast aoe damage clear at lvl 1.

believe me i have had 3 YEARS to come up with a way to revert these nerfs in a way that WON'T break her

these will obviously increase her winrate slightly

and i think it would be way too much to ask for all of these at once unless somehow she drops 3% winrate ( as i feel each one of these buff woudl liekly increase her winrate by 1%, and in her current state she cant gain any more than 1% winrate without breaking her in higher elo

but they can still go through with ONE of these reverts.

as i specially made them in a way where they WOULDN'T break her jungling but should DRASTICALLY improve her laneing. (which for the past 3 years has been so bad it woudl be considered trolling)

and before u say Nidalee isnt a laner... not anymore she isn't becuase THESE TWO NERFS are what kciked her out...

but from season 1-5 u could see her in every lane

and in season 4 she could do every EVERY role and i would literally lock in first pick nidalee and say "fill except not adc", and sure they could counter-pick me easily enough but they had no idea what lane to send my counter to. it was soo much fun. best flex pick ever

52% winrate in top, 50% in mid, 48% as support, and 45% as jungle ( i didn't play her jungle then but others did)

i loved it

then SOME BLOODY MORON MADE THIS THREAD AND RUINED EVERYTHING never mind. apparently i cant search back through my post history more than 4 years ago

but yeah it was my post of "nidalee' lore is all about her growing up in and protecting the jungle, WHY CAN'T SHE JUNGLE?

i know i shouldn't have used that damn monkey paw.

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