Still waiting for the day Riven gets a decent nerf..

Trash MammaI·May 1, 2015·15 votes·1,741 views

4 dashes. AD scaling shield AoE stun AoE knockup Ranged execute AD steroid Range increase

gets nerfed because people whined his kit overloaded - Riven gets silence removed because nobody was able to trade because of it - Riven ult remained on a long cd because it was unhealthy to have everytime he got back to lane - Riven Had his stun nerfed because of "unhealthy" instant AoE stun - Riven Ult ranged nerfed because it made him impossible to both catch and chase - Riven Had AS taken away from his E because people weren't able to trade with him - Riven

Riven has the same issue in her retarded kit that a lot of champions had and got nerfed for. So why isn't she being nerfed? Oh, i'm sorry she got an hp per 5 nerf because it's very crucial nerf on someone that has an AD scaling shield mhm yea

39 Comments

Noel VermillionMay 1, 20158 votes

I like how you bring Veigar up when he was becoming the support pick in pro play simply because of that stun. rofl

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20151 votes

Because most of the league player base is in the pro scene so we should totally base solo que off the top 1% seasonally co-ordinated pro player base.

Toothierosprey3May 2, 20153 votes

Yeah, we should. It's how riot makes most of their money. Why should they care about the normal players if lcs and pro players make them most of their money. It's just common sense.

OmiwomMay 1, 20156 votes

You just need to learn to punish her. It's real easy to fuck up and lose lane because of a couple bad trades, mainly because of her lack of sustain. Her ult does have a super low cooldown at ranks 2 and 3 though, but that's partly because she builds so much CDR. It could use some extra down time because it is up every time she returns to lane. I will give you that. But listing what a champ's kit does isn't evidence of them being OP. You know what Talon LB and Kass do have? Ranged harass.

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20151 votes

P - A mini sheen Q - 3 dashes AND an AOE knockup W - AOE STUN E - 4th dash AND an AD scaling shield R - AD steroid. AA range buff. Ranged execute

No matter how you look at it that kit is highly overloaded. Her mobility is on par with if not better than leblancs (who might I add has retarded mobility) Her damage isn't easily negated by armor like everyone says. As long as LW YG BC or armor pen in general armor won't mean anything especially when you get an AD steroid to compliment it.

ScreamPasteMay 2, 20155 votes

I could make GP's kit sound "overloaded" if I laid it out the way you're trying to do with Riven's. You make a thread like this every week, people try to talk sense into you every week, and you just ignore them and continue to be mad about a balanced champion every week.

You're wasting everyone's time.

haxboyMay 2, 20152 votes

Can I see your Gangplank list? I'm just curious :3

ScreamPasteMay 2, 20152 votes

Here we go!

Passive: A magic damage DoT applied on hit, okay, that's really fair, he keeps damaging you for three seconds after the fights over? AND it applies CC? CC in a passive, gj rito, omg. And it's magic damage so armour does nothing, how do I itemize against GP?

Q Turns a melee carry into an ADC, gives him ranged CC with his passive, generates extra gold, all in one ability. It can crit, it works with sheen, it applies on hits, is there anyhing Parrrrley can't do, rito?

W Oh, great, a cleanse. On a melee carry. Real fair. "Just CC them"!11, oh, and it has a scaling heal ? What the fuck? He's tanky enough without this, just remove it.

E An AoE Nunu bloodboil for allies that passively makes him a better fighter. Why does this even have a passive? Overloaded as shit.

R: I CAN GANK WITHOUT HAVING TO STOP FARMING, REAL FAIR.

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I did my best to impersonate the OP's tone, sorry if I didn't come across as gratingly ignorant enough.

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20151 votes

Except you did a poor job at it.

You didn't mention a single thing thats keeping his abilities gated. Rivens abilities are never gated by anything.

colesyMay 2, 20156 votes

so let's see, we're in a meta which is extremely hostile to riven and you want her to be nerfed

oooooooooooooooooooookay OP, i'm sure your complaints are nothing to do with you counterpicking yourself or having no idea how to play around her

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20152 votes

Cause the meta changing TOOOOTALLY is gonna stop her kit from being overloaded, yea.

colesyMay 2, 20151 votes

but her kit is fine. like, if you're bitching about riven, 99% chance it's because you lose to her in lane and are mad about it. everyone decent knows she drops off later in game, everyone decent knows to play cautious early on in lane to not feed kills, and everyone decent is aware that she is extremely powerful at levels 1, 2, 3, and 6 and that if ganked, if it's post-6 they need to be careful of getting double killed since against enemies without resistances built up she can 1v2 pretty easily.

SleepyLionCubMay 1, 20155 votes

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-41-notes#patch-riven

wait no more

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20151 votes

All they did in patch 4.1 was stop letting her all in someone at level 3 and make it level 6

crunchymunchysMay 2, 20151 votes

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http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-41-notes#patch-riven

wait no more

Thats patch 4.1 and people determined that it was actually a hidden buff to her late game while effecting her early game almost barely. shes the only champ that is potentially unstopable based on a players skill level. Riot has nerf/changed champs because pros could abuse them such as soraka mid lane, why isn't riven in there?

ScreamPasteMay 2, 20152 votes

You'd have to be really bad at math to make such a mistake. I've done the math myself, and due to the change in scaling and the lower base, her damage is lower with Q at all stages.

crunchymunchysMay 2, 20151 votes

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You'd have to be really bad at math to make such a mistake. I've done the math myself, and due to the change in scaling and the lower base, her damage is lower with Q at all stages.

Q doesn't do the damage though, its her passive which scales on AD. Her q doing alittle less damage doesn't really mean anything when her passive is filling that gap for her. Also why did you link patches from season 4? if people are complaining still its probably because she is still broken (not overpowered but clearly needs something to put her in line) the fact that she can animation cancel is pretty dumb

ScreamPasteMay 2, 20151 votes

They didn't change her passive. In no world that makes sense did they buff her late game.

People will always complain. People complain on this forum about balanced, and even weak, champions all the time. We're in one such thread.

SleepyLionCubMay 2, 20152 votes

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Thats patch 4.1 and people determined that it was actually a hidden buff to her late game while effecting her early game almost barely. shes the only champ that is potentially unstopable based on a players skill level. Riot has nerf/changed champs because pros could abuse them such as soraka mid lane, why isn't riven in there?

yea, because nerfing her base AD growth, and shortening her shield duration is totally a buff to her late game.

Very Hard EngageMay 1, 20155 votes

Darius Jax Lissandra Rammus

you build early chain vest armor and you play safe and passively towerfarm, and then you destroy her with 2 armor items built.

just dont feed her and she doesn't snowball, its that simple.

SleepyLionCubMay 1, 20155 votes

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you build early chain vest armor and you play safe and passively towerfarm, and then you destroy her with 2 armor items built.

just dont feed her and she doesn't snowball, its that simple.

Darius doesnt even need to build armor. He can simply out trade her with damage items.

EbonRypperMay 2, 20153 votes

Don't forget Irelia , Nasus , Malphite , Sion , Shen , Udyr , Hecarim . These guys can build tanky all day and still hurt you.

usul1202May 2, 20154 votes

Quinn also says hi from the depths of the non-meta pit as well. Quinn laughs at Riven as she waltzes through lane. Its so wonderful to play.

EbonRypperMay 2, 20153 votes

Exactly. She has range, and bonus damage from her passive and E. Plus her Q blinds and makes you miss. Then there's her R which allows her to gain ground really fast and with a hard hitting AoE. Plus in a 1v1 Irelia will tear her apart with that True damage and CC if she plays safe enough to get her needed TF items without dying.

usul1202May 2, 20152 votes

Well, the Q wrecks her passive, but its the E that wins the lane. You can interrupt her r3d Q and gain distance from her after her gap closer. It just kills them to have to gap close after blowing the combo.

IcyPepperMay 2, 20155 votes

why not both?

item 3071 item 3068 "Stay in melee range, I dare you."

EbonRypperMay 2, 20154 votes

Pfft you must blow if you think Riven needs a 'nerf'. Her durability is crap, she has no sustain, and there's a serious number of top lane mains that build armor early and shut her down. Just don't go all in like a douchebag, and expect to win in early game. Keep her from snowballing, farm close to or under turret, and build tank wise with Irelia Nasus Malphite Mordekaiser , and Riven gets shut down and falls off. Champs like Riven and Fiora HAVE to kill you to be a threat, or else they just stay in a rate of decline. Feast or Famine.

Trash MammaIMay 2, 20152 votes

She hit level 6 and got brutalizer your armor means nothing.

Toothierosprey3May 2, 20154 votes

Brutalizer: -10 armor. An item that costs almost 300 less gold: +45 armor.

EbonRypperMay 2, 20154 votes

Plus most top laners have absurdly strong CC like Hecarim and Sejuani will destroy Riven when played right. Most of these top end tanky top laners deal massive damage without even building anymore than 1-2 Damage items. If anything Riven will get outlasted and outplayed before she even gets started once even so much as item 1031 , item 3044 , or item 3024 get's built first. Both Hydra and BC cost more than the tank stuff the best tanks need.

EbonRypperMay 2, 20153 votes

Wow you're not very bright. That's only -10 armor, I'll have well over that by the time she gets it. She has to build item 3071 or item 3035 to even get any kind of really effective armor pen, and even then it won't work, because her damage is HEAVILY AD stacking dependent. Any lack of AD messes up her damage, and makes the armor pen counter productive. Plus if you were even knowledgeable about Riven you'd know that she requires EVERY player to absolutely rush item 3074 absolutely...FIRST! It's the base and core of her sustain man, just like with Fiora .

This is how it is my friend. If you end up with no kills early....you build Hydra first? Lack of damage because of lacking Armor Pen. Build Last Whisper or Black Cleaver, or Youmuu's Ghostblade First? Lack of damage because of lacking Attack Damage.  Either get kills or get put behind. Feast or Famine.  It's the same reason Fiora doesn't get much top lane action. Not to mention most top lane picks have extraordinary CC Like ![Hecarim](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Hecarim.png) , ![Malphite](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Malphite.png) , ![Shen](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Shen.png) , ![XinZhao](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/XinZhao.png) , ![JarvanIV](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/JarvanIV.png) , ![Irelia](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Irelia.png) , ![Renekton](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Renekton.png) .  Oh and lets not forgot ![Gangplank](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Gangplank.png) who is the bane of ![Riven](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Riven.png).

TrylobyteMay 2, 20153 votes

Riven has a lot of problems, but most people won't see them because she's a huge lane bully. Her issues revolve around the game as a whole, not just her lane - She usually wins her lane unless she's bad. But the game as a whole? It's possible to have a massively fed Riven who can't win a game; in fact, there was a thread earlier from a Riven main complaining about getting killed by tanks. And that's what happens with Riven, if the game goes late and people can survive her she offers nothing else to the team. She's not very tanky without her shield, she can't jump on your carries easily, and Thornmail just makes Riven cry. Also, if she loses her lane, or even just goes even in her lane, she's going to be useless for most of the mid-game since she doesn't roam especially well but doesn't have the huge damage she needs to do her job before she gets bursted.

LegendmakerGXMay 2, 20152 votes

I don't consider Riven as a huge problem at the start but when she gets to level 6 then GG. Even if you go tank it does't matter since her ult damage makes your armour looks like paper armour. My opinion is just nerf the ult damage ( not that wind slash damage).

EbonRypperMay 2, 20151 votes

Then you're not building right, and Nasus 's ult snatches max health and makes it into AD. Riven then becomes more squishy, and Nas becomes more tanky.

You forgot about CC too, and lets not even get into what happens if Darius catches you when level 6....

GorillazNtheMystMay 8, 20152 votes

The stun needs a nerf. How Rito doesn't see that as a massively oppressive ability is beyond me.

AaravosMay 2, 20151 votes

the only problem why she is allowed to stack her passive. Force her to use Q+AA+Q+AA+Q+AA and not Q+Q+Q+AA+AA+AA and get meele range asap and don't losing damage.

XonraMay 8, 20151 votes

I like how a champion is far from being popular and isn't a "meta" pick enough to be played all that much, and people still cry for nerfs because 1 Riven out of 20 games did pretty good.

I sure hope Riot finally Nerfs Yorick, what a b.s. champ...

...What, this isn't still Season 2? Oh, my bad.

MattZeeXMay 8, 20151 votes

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4 dashes. AD scaling shield AoE stun AoE knockup Ranged execute AD steroid Range increase

gets nerfed because people whined his kit overloaded - Riven gets silence removed because nobody was able to trade because of it - Riven ult remained on a long cd because it was unhealthy to have everytime he got back to lane - Riven Had his stun nerfed because of "unhealthy" instant AoE stun - Riven Ult ranged nerfed because it made him impossible to both catch and chase - Riven Had AS taken away from his E because people weren't able to trade with him - Riven

Riven has the same issue in her retarded kit that a lot of champions had and got nerfed for. So why isn't she being nerfed? Oh, i'm sorry she got an hp per 5 nerf because it's very crucial nerf on someone that has an AD scaling shield mhm yea

4 Dashes: You use a dash, you lose damage and survivability. Meaningful decisions as Riot has stated again and again. AD Scaling Shield: Nothing wrong with an AD scaling shield, there are AP scaling shields and cc abilities. AOE Stun: Who the fuck cares, the stun is 0.75 seconds and the animation to do it lasts like 0.9 seconds, the amount of times I have died because I stopped to stun someone yet I am immobile longer than them is ridiculous. AOE Knockup: Plenty of champs have this, so what? You're just naming features of her kit, that's like me saying "Kassdin has an AOE slow, OP" Ranged Execute: Technically Darius can kinda get a ranked execute, and Garen can too if they flash while mid animation. Quinn has a ranged, AOE execute on her ult. AD Steroid: Plenty of champs have these, like Olaf. And before anyone says Olaf is trash, Olaf sees competitive play, Riven does not. Range Increase: The amount of goddamn champions with a range increase is quite high, don't single out Riven. For example "Nasus has an ability which gives him range, attack damage , deals aoe damage, AND HEALTH!? OP!!!!!"

Yasuo nerfed: I think Yasuo was balanced but whatever, his kit wasn't overloaded. Talon, Leblanc and Kassadin: How is this relevant, Riven doesn't have a silence!? Garen: His ult is really powerful as it scales off of missing health, not percentage missing health. I love playing Garen full tank and being able to kill anyone. Veigar: Veigar's stun is longer than Riven's, double the time if I remember correctly, furthermore, the aoe area is bigger, and he traps you inside if you don't want to get stunned, so it's pretty much a guarantee catch. Kassadin: So much escape, Kassadin can still escape, Riven can't. When I play Kass I can just ult away and live, with Riven I still get caught. Kass can go over walls with ult easily, Riven needs to get close to the wall, aim, AND use her 3rd q. Furthermore, if someone stands behind you, you sometimes flip back onto them. Lee Sin: No idea why his E was nerfed, but I guess it was unfair for attack speed champs early!?!? Anyway, Riven doesn't have an attack speed slow.

Riven can get outpoked, and get outallined by champs like Wu. She's crap.