what was the original problem with bruisers? according to hashinshin it was tanks that were over performing. what works well vs tanks? percentage damage or resistance shred, not flat out true damage.
dunder kill4 votesPeople actually take Hashinshin seriously?
ALL MłGHT1 votesso far he has influenced quite a bit for bruisers.
MrHaZeYo3 votesConq works pretty well vs tanks.
ALL MłGHT1 votesyes, i agree, BUT as a result it works well vs everything else too, not jsut tanks
MrHaZeYo2 votesWhile yes it does work vs everything, it's less useful the less Armor one has. It's the same as the new IE. If you have only base Armor then you're not gonna be blocking a lot of the damage regardless so the true damage doesn't really do as much, because you're already taking the damage.
BEK Makadur2 votesTrue dmg pretty much just works vs tanks and offtanks. Vs everything else flat dmg is better.
ALL MłGHT1 voteswhat I suggested does just that without incorporating toxic gameplay. % damage / resistance would render useless on champions that don't build armor. current conqueror functions at every point of the game especially vs squishies. it converts 20% damage dealt into true damage. less armor someone has, the more damage is dealt thus more true damage
Stray Kat3 votesYou're slightly confused in the way it works. Changing it to % health would make it do the same to EVERYONE, squishy or tanky - AKA just as effective against EVERYONE. 10% max health takes 10 hits to kill any champ, whether they have 10 health or 10k.
Whereas with true damage, if I don't build any armor you might as well be doing true damage with every hit anyway - If I build tons of armor, your true damage is suddenly a huge help though, because that 20% true can be higher than the other 80% against a fully built Armor stacked Malph(Not that it's a regular thing to have this be the case).
ALL MłGHT1 votesokay, maybe I should have clarified. it clearly wouldn't be 10% max health it would be something like Kog'maw W or Shen Q.
BEK Makadur1 votesI think you need to inform yourself on how true dmg works :)
ALL MłGHT1 votesi know how true damage works. it bypasses resistances. conqueror converts 20% damage dealt into true with no cap.
BEK Makadur1 votesBut before it takes the armor/magic resist into account.
ALL MłGHT1 votesright, so if I do 100 damage to someone with 30 armor I do 77 damage to them. 20% of 77 = 15.4 true damage
100 damage vs someone with 100 armor -> 50 * .2 = 10
100 damage vs someone with 200 -> 33 * .2 = 6.6
BEK Makadur1 votesAs from what i know you would deal 20 true dmg as 20% from 100=20.
redniwediS3 votes"Bruiser" champions cover three official champion classes and multiple archetypes within each class. They came up with a rune that helped the vast majority of them.
Maybe if people would stop trying to use "bruiser" as a class term we could get something specific done.
ALL MłGHT1 voteswhich 3 classes are they? I really have no idea. From what I understand is that bruisers are champions that auto attack alot
now, I don't mean champions like Master Yi and Tryndamere. I am talking about champions like Shyvannah, Irelia, Udyr, Jax etc
redniwediS2 votesJuggernauts, Divers, and Skirmishers.
Most people talk about champions like Irelia or Riven, but historically champions like Garen and Fiora were considered Bruisers as well. The term basically meant "Fighters that can build defensively if they want to", but some people are using it as a synonym for Duelist, which is also not really a class and just describes the way a given champion fights.
Garen and Darius both fit under the term Bruiser, and both need different things to stay viable, and neither need the same things as someone like Irelia or Fiora, or even Jax. Riot did a surprisingly good job with Conqueror in that every single one of these champions can use the rune effectively, albeit some use it better than others.
Whether or not Conqueror was a good fit for the game is a different discussion, but if Riot's goal was to make a keystone rune that benefited "bruiser" champions they definitely succeeded.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesCan YOU figure out a better rune for Bruisers though?
ALL MłGHT1 votesi literally gave a suggestion
Warlord Rhinark1 votesi literally gave a suggestion
Just changing it to percentage maximum health damage is a "suggestion"?