Playing around with practice tool as Zed vs intermediate Rammus bot to test armor pen..

Pyrithegethon·Feb 22, 2017·7 votes·1,862 views

This was my build

My runes were lethality reds and quints, m keystone was thunderlords. I had roughly 80ish lethality level 18.

This was Bot full build and I think another armor item, don't remember it very well.

I ulted him, blew my entire combo on him, killed him with another auto amd spell afte death mark popped.

Idk if it's the items being overtuned to give me a build that shreds squishies and tanks or something else.

I didnt have infernal drakes, baron, or infinite cds on.

38 Comments

Dominick DestineFeb 22, 20175 votes

Riot made a huge mistake hyper buffing armor pen.

CancerBasedGodFeb 22, 20172 votes

That never happened.

sit kidFeb 22, 20171 votes

From last patch notes

Lethality penetration: 0.4 - 1 -> 0.6 - 1

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 22, 20172 votes

that isnt a hyper buff though. Zed has always been able to do this to tanks. Its what makes him a good duelist if he itemizes properly.

sit kidFeb 22, 20171 votes

Not a hyper buff?

Litterally that patch that made the boards cry about AD assassins. Best ADC's are Jhin and Varus. Guess what? They both use the lethality builds. OP or not, this was a huge buff

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 22, 20171 votes

no, instead of having 4 armor pen out of 10, u have 6. The difference is not gamebreaking. The reason "lethality" is op, is because there's so much of it. It's still weaker than the old armor pen early on, but it outscales it pretty fast because of the sheer amount of it. You can get 25 from runes, 9 from masteries, and 50 from items. Thats 84 armor penetration at lvl 18, whereas before you had 30 from items,6 from masteries, and i forget the amount you got from runes but i believe it was less as well. The idea behind introducing so much was to weaken the snowballieness of an assassins early game but strengthen their piss poor late game. I agree with Riot's decision, as their trash late game is what kept ad assassins from doing well unless they were horrendously overturned.

Secondly, ad assassins are fine and a good spot imo. ADCS are just abusing edge of night bc it gets rid of one of their main weaknesses (especially in jhin and varus) which is that they are very susceptible to cc and other skill shots due to their immobility .

Edge of night could stand to use a revert back to its 45 sec cd, as well as maybe a 5 ad loss. Or it could just be made melee only.

sit kidFeb 22, 20171 votes

Instead of reducing AD, wouldnt it make more sense to reduce the amount of lethality granted, then maybe add lethality onto some other items (maybe make some new as well), instead of the same duskblade, edge of night, yumuus every game?

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 23, 20171 votes

then adcs would just build that item. Edge of night offers a bit too much for what it does so its offensive powe could stand to be lowered a bit.

sit kidFeb 23, 20171 votes

Didnt think about it that way

SpongebobIsLifeFeb 23, 20171 votes

but that's the current situation and one of the main reasons EON is getting nerfed. ADCs have to be considered when talking about lethality.

sit kidFeb 24, 20171 votes

Isn't crit a problem too? Way too much time for rampup and little reward compared to lethality?

Why not just lower the cost of crit items and the stats offered? They are already way more expensive than the rest of the items in this game

CancerBasedGodFeb 22, 20172 votes

The boards like to cry. Whining doesn't make it a "hyper buff." It was a small buff.

sit kidFeb 22, 20171 votes

You go tell that to the LCS AD carries

CancerBasedGodFeb 22, 20172 votes

Took the words right out of my mouth. But apparently a boost early that turns into no boost late made a massive difference.

GigglesOFeb 22, 20172 votes

Tanks don't exist right now. They don't have access to in combat sustain, and there aren't enough tank items to beat the shred.

Edge of DaybreakFeb 22, 20172 votes

I doubt that this actually happened but if it did post a video of it. Sure boards people will trust you with no proof at all but not all of us are sheeple.

PyrithegethonFeb 22, 20171 votes

Can you help me record it? I dont know how

GigglesOFeb 22, 20171 votes

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I doubt that this actually happened but if it did post a video of it. Sure boards people will trust you with no proof at all but not all of us are sheeple.

Go play a tank, in high mmr, you will find out pretty quickly that this does actually happen.

Edge of DaybreakFeb 22, 20173 votes

I'm not seeing any actual proof of this and since it's been an hour im going to assume that zed isn't actually doing this. I even tried looking for it on youtube and nothing. If this is common it should be pretty simple to show a shred of evidence.

PyrithegethonFeb 22, 20172 votes

Help me record?

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 22, 20172 votes

if you do that in a game you lose. first off you will probably get cced. so you won't get that much damage for death mark but also you probably won't get that many cleaver stacks. if rammus taunted zed in a game zed dies

PyrithegethonFeb 22, 20172 votes

Qss item?

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 22, 20171 votes

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Qss item?

why would you focus tank. and if their only cc is that rammus taunt they didn't draft right

LankPantsFeb 22, 20171 votes

Why not focus a tank if you can burst them? Once they're dead your team essentially gets free reign to do what ever they want.

ProfDrDeathFeb 22, 20171 votes

In a real game, you won't have 6 straight-up damage items. You need boots, which will mean that one of your items will have to go.

Other than that, you had a build that's worth 19050 gold against a target with 12750 gold worth of items that work against you (only counting Banshees as 800 gold here, as it only gives 300 HP, and assuming Rammus' final item was Thornmail). You basically had 50% more gold than the target in offensive stats.

Bot games are not a good indicator for balance aspects for a reason.

SalronFeb 22, 20172 votes

So you get 6 offensive items but the bot only gets 5 defense items + boots ??

Can you create a proper scenario instead of giving yourself the edge before your experiment even starts

Titanium70Feb 22, 20171 votes

It's never about the outcome... For the sake of gameplay offenive should always beat defensive to prevent WW1ish battles...

OFC Zed should win the battle under this circumstances... but one combo? THIS IS STUPID! A Tanks job is to buy time for his carrys by tanking MORE than 1 or 2 persons for a few seconds!

Edge of DaybreakFeb 23, 20171 votes

You know he didnt actually show any evidence this actually happened right? Why do you just believe him without proof?

If I listed a picture of taliyah with 6 damage items and said she can 100-0 an mr stacking galio in one combo would you believe me?

Titanium70Feb 23, 20171 votes

Creating discussions based on raw facts only might be important in law and science but if I'd act like this on an online forum I either end up doing nothing but asking for proofs or might ignore it completely.

So if someone talks about a scenario he created in a game I just belive it as long as it sounds reasonable. (In dubio pro reo)

OFC you should always doubt such statements and never ever use them as an argument in other discussions - but there is no point in just ignoring it either.

HethaleanFeb 22, 20171 votes

There it is. He bought MR... tisk tisk. Probably would have survived the full combo. :)

GigglesOFeb 22, 20175 votes

So we are supposed to 6 stack armor... what about the enemy mage?

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 22, 20171 votes

What about them? They shouldn't have one if they picked Zed. He took their spot. :)

deadlychuckFeb 22, 20172 votes

Unless they're like every other mage, and just migrated down to bot lane as a "support"

LankPantsFeb 22, 20173 votes

Because Rumble/Elise/Zyra don't exist.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 22, 20171 votes

It was a joke....

PyrithegethonFeb 22, 20171 votes

But zed does magic damage!!!

Hexs FortuneFeb 22, 20171 votes

ban zed prob solved

Steel BlossomFeb 22, 20171 votes

This is exactly why there are so many ways to deny Zed ult....he has perhaps the highest single target burst in a 3 second window in this entire game, and he's not meant to be facetanked during his ult by anyone. I actually remembered a time when people built Sword of the Divine on him just because the pop would hurt so much.