This tank assassin meta needs to die

MonkeyMadness··5 votes·536 views

enemy akali was sitting at our nexus towers killing one of em. She was alone with minions, so our jinx (who was pretty fed at this point) starting aaing her with the minigun. She probably attacked 4 or 5 times and did roughly 1/4 of akali's health. At this point, the tower that akali was working on went down, and within 0.5 seconds jinx was dead (no joke, it was literally that fast). Nothing about that is ok. A fed jinx should tear through any damage dealer in a matter of a few shots, and someone that can literally stand there and ignore a jinx for that long has no business doing that kind of burst damage. Come on, Riot, this isn't just some balance tweak bullshit, this is blatantly and oppressively broken. And akali is far from the only champion that can abuse this tank assassin build.

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Mr Broken Wings2 votes

Fun fact: its not tank assasin meta when all you see is bruisers building tryforce ( a non tank item) and the midlane meta being dominated by viktor,cassio,azir, swain and vladimir. Tank assasins in fact are pretty shit after my experience, I love laning against tankfizz or akali personally, theyll just feed 5 kills in lane and become useless. The mainproblem you described here is that akali did get to jinx, akali is a champion who is easyly peeled if done correctly and her being able to 1 v 1 your jinx is a normal thing, every bruiser can do that midgame, jinx has like 0 selfpeel and if you dont help her shell be a sitting duck being oneshotted from everything. Its like letting nasus go melee with jinx midgame and wondering why he 2 shots her even though he has only tank items. I mean the szenario you described was already missplayed by the team of jinx, so there is nothing to see here. I know akali is very binary designed and her kit is old so it leads to frustrating moments but thats not because of the problem of "tank assasins " being meta, thats just wrong.

MonkeyMadness2 votes

Ok. So. You understanding what I'm talking about

  1. trinity force is generally bruiser item, and has literally no bearing on what I'm talking about

  2. if you are winning so easily and so consistently against a true tank assassin (ie ekko, akali, fizz, and perhaps yasuo) that is because the player is just bad with the champ and only using it because it's the flavor of the month. You're also in diamond, perhaps the meta is different up there. I'm currently mid gold, and it's a huge issue.

  3. tank fizz just got a nerf, so let's not use that in this discussion. Also, fizz generally went hybrid with a lichbane and sometimes 1 other damage item, making him fit the bruiser role much more than the tank role that these tank assassins fill

  4. Not sure why you are mentioning the mid lane meta, as the tank assassins almost exclusively go top lane. And either way, the tank assassin issue has absolutely no bearing on mages like viktor, cassio, and the others you've listed, it's assassins...hence the name...

  5. Why would you mention nasus in this at all? He literally has nothing in his kit that would allow any sane person to consider him an assassin. He is a tank/bruiser (depending on build). His absurd "burst" is due to his uniquely scaling q damage, not his base damage. And in this same vein, it is these base damages, along with % hp of the target scaling, that constitutes virtually the entirety of the problem. If a champ has high base damage, or deals damage based on a % of the targets current, max, or missing hp, you don't need to build damage items on that champion.

Let's also think about how this jinx story would go down with virtually any other class of champion

Tank: would be able to sit and soak up jinx's damage for a while, but then the 1v1 might be problematic due to lack of damage. Obviously some tanks would fair better than others, but a pure tank like nautilus or a maokai might struggle to kill a fed and properly built jinx (which our jinx was) in a 1v1 scenario.

Bruiser: while a bruiser might be able to deal with jinx's damage output for a little bit, taking 4 or 5 autos from her will not end well for them. In a 1v1 scenario, yes the advantage would be with the bruiser, but if you consider that the bruiser would be at half health or less for such a fight after tanking 4 or 5 autos, the fight would very likely come down to whether or not the jinx managed to crit.

This akali tanked like a tank, and had a crapload more burst damage than your average bruiser. The jinx situation was just the most notable example, there were lots of others where she would haphazardly jump into a fight straight through our frontline and destroy our damage dealers while soaking up dps from 4 or 5 people simultaneously. It's not that we played poorly against her, she offered us 0 opportunities for counterplay. Obviously she's very peelable, but she would jump in, get cced, survive, and keep jumping til she got to her target. And her damage was so high that once she got there, there was literally nothing we could do to keep that target alive. That's the problem here: tank survivability with assassin-esque damage.

Zero Shingetsu2 votes

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Tank assasins in fact are pretty shit after my experience, I love laning against tankfizz or akali personally, theyll just feed 5 kills in lane and become useless.

Tell that to my 2/1/30 Tank LeBlanc.

Iceember1 votes

The key part of that "2/1/30" is the whole "2" part. I'm sure if they built damage it would look more like 30/1/2

MonkeyMadness1 votes

I can honestly say that the only time I've ever seen a kda even remotely resembling that is in a bot game.

Iceember1 votes
MonkeyMadness1 votes

Keep fighting this pointless battle if you want. Meanwhile tank ekkos are still rampaging around unopposed.

Iceember1 votes

Okay but Ekko is a completely different can of worms as riot gave him super high base damages. Most other Assassins have very low or mediocre bases and while building tank will allow them to still kill people and not die in fights it also means that they don't have the capability to oneshot anymore.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

tell that to fizz and akali...

Jesus Is My King1 votes

maybe your adc should become one with the meta and build tank as well. problem solved. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Iceember2 votes

:p 1st. You are everywhere. Biggest thing looking at the match history is that Akali had 300 or so AP and a sunfire while jinx had 0 resistance items and no pen.

Jesus Is My King1 votes

LOL

warpenguin5551 votes

its kinda dying but the assassin reworks SHOULD kill off tank assassins for good

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