When is it more viable to build Deathcap than Rylai Liandry?

AquariusGine·May 13, 2016·4 votes·1,009 views

Serious question

18 Comments

TwigglesMay 13, 20162 votes

When their tanks aren't much of a problem and you just want to delete squishies at the speed of sound.

Edit: Also anytime you are playing Veigar

10TicklerMay 13, 20161 votes

Veig actually gets more from Void than he does from Deathcap Prior to 250 Stacks

TwigglesMay 13, 20161 votes

Why not both? :D

DeathBurstMay 13, 20161 votes

The question is, in which order?

SonaTitsAndAssMay 13, 20162 votes

when the damage becomes more useful then utility or as a last item. generally your build as a mage be something like this a mana sustain and cdr item. boots utility item/items pen item/items deathcap

jusho1May 13, 20161 votes

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when the damage becomes more useful then utility or as a last item. generally your build as a mage be something like this a mana sustain and cdr item. boots utility item/items pen item/items deathcap

no all mages Vladimir Swain

SonaTitsAndAssMay 13, 20166 votes

do people not understand what the fuck generally means anymore? every-time with out fail, i say generally someones like "LET ME POINT OUT THE EXCEPTIONS!"

jusho1May 13, 20161 votes

nope

SpoofghoulMay 13, 20162 votes

but Swain swain is an exceptional general so hes worth pointing out :D

Kitten of EvilMay 13, 20162 votes

#YesAllMages

Hullabaloo907May 13, 20162 votes

Longer ranged champs who don't really need health should get deathcap, and champs who have extremely high ability ratios should get it. DPS focused champs should get liandries rylias

Very Hard EngageMay 13, 20162 votes

the general build path for a damage dealing mage is

item 3165 -> item 3020 -> DECISION TIME!!! do your enemies have MR?

Yes

just one MR item? build some utility AP items -> item 3285 -> item 3157 -> item 3089 -> item 3135

lots of MR deliberately trying to stop you in particular? -> item 3135 -> item 3116 -> item 3089 -> filler item likely item 3151 consider putting liandries as a third item before void if you have short cool downs and you can reasonably keep the debuff up. otherwise this item exists only for the pen.

No MR on the enemy team?

feel free to get your 30pen from boots/runes and obliterate

(switch these next two as needed, if you need the movement speed or you're confident all you need is the raw damage) item 3089 -> item 3285 -> item 3116 -> item 3135

rab cap is still a better rush for burst mages who excel with combos getting extra damage, poke mages are better off with ludens when they only get one hit in when they can.

i still highly rate rylias on a lot of mages because its kiting, thats such a strong tool for mages. its also enough to get an escape, or to slow someone down enough to go after them, and thats huge in my book.

Hullabaloo907May 13, 20161 votes

Some of the shorter ranged mages get a lot of benefit from roa instead of morello's, and some higher mana cost champs should go archangels instead

Very Hard EngageMay 13, 20162 votes

thats champion specific, im just offering in general for people who need to kill something.

someone like kassadin for example, needs the roa for when he goes in so he doesn't just die. and the mana pool to keep casting R. swain, large mana pool, bulk, stays in R the whole time, great.

but unfortunately neither of those are going to be the prime source of damage for their team. they accomplish different tasks for their teams. like chase, deletion, or split pushing/zoning.

Hullabaloo907May 13, 20161 votes

Edit:Lol woops, thought this was the other comment

Your range and your mobility determines how squishy you build, so when you ask what items you should build, what champ you are playing will determine that. Plus, liandries is pretty lackluster if you don't have a dot tick to prock it alot

FatesDefilerMay 13, 20161 votes

tank mage ftw. with all the other activity this last patch, the buffs to spirit visage and warmog's got pretty much ignored. those along with protobelt and roa make for a beefy character. 5th item could be abyssal scepter or zhonya's depending on enemy team comp. i developed the build over many aram games but it's strong in SR, too.

xBushxMay 13, 20161 votes

If you are ahead...and the enemy builds no MR you can take Dcap as second or 3rd item.

If they have multiple assassins then the extra health is required from Rylais

Champion SkinMay 13, 20161 votes

Depends... If you can apply the Rylais slow and LIandries burn to more targets and have more up time (DoTs) that makes it better While Deathcap is likely stronger if you rely on burst or have high AP Ratios (Though Voidstaff might be more efficient if the target has 1 MR item)