It pains me too, but Riot __can't__ and won't treat all classes equally

Zero Skill Tank··4 votes·368 views

See, there are some classes that have essential role in game's design and balance - i.e. if marksmen are too weak, we immediately run into tank meta - skirmishers and juggs can bully tanks out of top, but they can't prevent them from dominating jungle or support roles. We observed this during last tank meta, which exactly coincided with 'adc in 2k17 lul' memefest. Mages, as another example, are the best at stalling games, with their long-range waveclear, so if they are too weak we observe extremely snowbally metas - like now, meta is extremely snowball oriented, even though the most snowballing class (assassins) is on the weak side. If tanks are too weak or too strong, we run into problems too - we either have 2 seconds teamfights or toxic tank meta with 2 champions fighting on sidelane for 5 minutes straight without any outcome.

If a class like that is too weak, Riot needs to react relatively quickly.

On the other hand, there are classes like juggernauts - they don't have any essential place, their playstyle was introduced only for the sake of introducing another potentially interesting playstyle. If they are too weak, nothing really happens - tanks don't immediately start dominating, because there are other classes to stop them, games don't become any longer or any shorter because juggs aren't really oriented for stalling or for snowballing, relevance of teamfights vs 1v1s doesn't really change because juggs aren't really oriented for any aspect of the game. It is obvious that Riot won't react as quickly - every balance pass has a cost attached to it (i.e. it has a chance to turn game to shit by overbuffing/overnerfing something), so Riot is obviously less eager to take that risk.

It might feel unfair, but it's just the way it is and has to be.

And before someone says that, no I'm not marksmen main jugg hater, I main juggs and tanks.

15 Comments

sobi9992 votes

I hope riot is losing its playerbase and soon dota takes over. Its what they deserve for ignoring their players for so long.. Not to mention the balancing team is just dogshit.

jwebb01131 votes

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I hope riot is losing its playerbase and soon dota takes over. Its what they deserve for ignoring their players for so long.. Not to mention the balancing team is just dogshit.

yet here you are ... still playing league arent ya?

so hmm if that is what you want then why are you here ?

sobi9992 votes

Seriously i regret my decision to choose LOL over DOTA2. Now i just don't have the time to get used to a new MOBA and i started playing 5-8 league games to 2-3 league games a day. Its just not enjoyable anymore or as enjoyable as it was before.

jwebb01131 votes

tank meta came about due to the assassin meta

its the adcs that are good vs the tanks

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Yes, adc are good vs tanks, which is why tank meta came when they were shit. What exactly caused it isn't really relevant to this topic.

jwebb01132 votes

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Yes, adc are good vs tanks, which is why tank meta came when they were shit. What exactly caused it isn't really relevant to this topic.

adcs got bad cuz of the assassin leathality meta .. tanks came popular to counter leathality meta and now adcs are strong due to enchanter supports

zaire902 votes

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adcs got bad cuz of the assassin leathality meta .. tanks came popular to counter leathality meta and now adcs are strong due to enchanter supports

Weren't the adcs the main abusers of lethality tho

jwebb01131 votes

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Weren't the adcs the main abusers of lethality tho

kinda but its not like zed, talon , yas etc didnt use it and abuse it, and panth , riven, so on... hell even garen was building lethality see garen with duskblade/ghost blade builds

but it was due to the over buff of lethality ... it wasnt that adcs were strong... and the main abusiers of it was lucian, jhin, draven and MF

all other adcs fell to the way side... then the gutting of cait over and over allowed other late game farm lane adcs to shine.

Paroe1 votes

Why does everyone cry "tank meta" when a tank meta is always Darius Camille Ekko Galio Gragas Illaoi Kayn Maokai Riven Ryze Warwick building two offensive items and four HP/resistance items?

You mean "bruiser meta" - not tank meta. But thats a problem on riots part... Anyone can be a tank, but not everyone is a tank champion. The only true tanks we have are leona, braum, rammus, and malphite right now.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

No, I mean tank meta when Nautilus Maokai and Poppy were dominating, and Shen in pro. And Mao was a full tank back than, absolutely not a bruiser.

Paroe1 votes

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No, I mean tank meta when Nautilus Maokai and Poppy were dominating, and Shen in pro. And Mao was a full tank back than, absolutely not a bruiser.

Maokai? A "full tank" who often bought RoA and void staff? Naut is and was fine; hes a tank. He never had super high output, just reliable output. Poppy is a bruiser; High base damage and high AD scaling. Shen ill give you but that was a result of his ultimate being good. Shen has always been an ult bot.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Maokai? A "full tank" who often bought RoA and void staff?

Nonsense.

Poppy is a bruiser; High base damage and high AD scaling.

Nonsense.

Paroe1 votes

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Nonsense.

Nonsense.

You... you dont think poppy has high bases and scaling?! 115+0.8+8% max HP. AND its a 40% slow. Thats 230+1.6+16% max HP. Her base AD is 124 as well - that means her iceborn gauntlet proc will do 248 damage AND stack that slow because they compound. Her E 130+0.5 with a 2 second stun. Poppy has BRUISER level damage.

And maokai? His normal build was item 3027 item 3135 item 3065 item 3800 item 3025 item 3047 for a long time.

jwebb01131 votes

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You... you dont think poppy has high bases and scaling?! 115+0.8+8% max HP. AND its a 40% slow. Thats 230+1.6+16% max HP. Her base AD is 124 as well - that means her iceborn gauntlet proc will do 248 damage AND stack that slow because they compound. Her E 130+0.5 with a 2 second stun. Poppy has BRUISER level damage.

And maokai? His normal build was item 3027 item 3135 item 3065 item 3800 item 3025 item 3047 for a long time.

no not really ...

never saw void staff on maokai ... why get it when it offers no hp .. when landries is there to give hp and the dot burn on all of his abilities . and the magic pen .

roa. sunfire, spirit visage, iceborn , old abyssal and boots.

the only time void was common on maokai was the full ap support cheeze strat at the start of the season after his rework

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