So she has %max hp true damage which lets her kill anybody building tanky, but she also has an attack speed slow so people building offensively can't kill her
How is that fair exactly
Big Lincoln75 votesbecause she is le grand DOOLIST duede she should be able to out-fight any and every1 haha it's in her THEME bruh
haha dude
Dubshoka15 votesupvoted for theme/identity/core/niche sarcasm :)
KONO RUBICK DA52 votesCommunity: this champ should win in 1v1 against anyone
me: but doesn't this break the champ as you will need to send everytime 2 or 3 champions to stop her and her team will pressure the entire map?
community: still balanced [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
oSEXYPLATYPUSo8 votesim with you... she has no real weakness, she can flat out dodge an ability, gap close, % hp true damage, and a heal and an attack speed slow...
FalconPawwwwnch33 votesBeing able to 1v1 tanks isn't the issue as Jax can do it too
The difference is fiora deletes them in 2 seconds whereas itll take Jax 30 seconds
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesJax doesn't win 1v1 against anyone
during s3 or s4 when jax was god tier, he couldn't win 1v1 against 
and his 1v1 against 
depended on factors
Erractic Eick1 votesI mean, being a Jax main (although not nearly having the same experience as you, Rubick) I would vouch for the fact that in a 1v1 with an ADC or Mage Jax will generally win (with a couple exceptions involving champions with blinds or invisibility). He has all the tools to hunt them down with a high level of efficiency (percent AOE reduction, dodges, mobility, defense steroids based off building damage in order to provide meat without reducing DPS), which is why his secondary role has been considered by some to be an Assassin (but that's a whole other debacle that isn't worth getting into right now).
Meatier targets also start to fall apart one he finishes all his core items, but because Jax's preferred items are generally quite expensive (last I checked, it was in the vicinity of 18-20k), this side of him isn't seen as often.
Granted, Jax does have his unfavorable matches, but rest assured he does win 1v1s with many champions, and to say otherwise would not be entirely... accurate.
KONO RUBICK DA3 votes[{quoted}](name=Erractic Eick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-23T23:27:36.118+0000)
I would vouch for the fact that in a 1v1 with an ADC or Mage Jax will generally win
oh of course he will win against anyone except 
but there are bruisers that he can't 1v1
trundle will steal his stats nasus will slow his AS and just kill him
fiora crit steroid will remove half of vayne HP, her %hp true damage still hurting she will kill a squishy faster and she has AS slow+bonus MS on ult and Q dash cd is low af
PermabannedGaren3 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-23T23:48:14.993+0000)
oh of course he will win against anyone except
trundle will steal his stats nasus will slow his AS and just kill him
fiora crit steroid will remove half of vayne HP, her %hp true damage still hurting she will kill a squishy faster and she has AS slow+bonus MS on ult and Q dash cd is low af
Fiora has a far harder time getting onto Vayne than Jax does.
Oh, and Jax probably dumpsters Trundle late game in a 1v1. Counter strike is on like a four second cooldown late game, and Trundle can't burst Jax down even if he steals his stats.
A stacked Nasus will dunk on him though. Will also probably dunk on Fiora.
Speaking of champions who dunk on Fiora: 
nearly effortlessly kills Fiora 1v1 mid to late game.
KONO RUBICK DA9 votesyi is probably the only one who can kill fiora in 1v1 immune to attack speed slow and has no spells that she can block if he only right clicks
PermabannedGaren3 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=0005000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-24T00:19:45.341+0000)
yi is probably the only one who can kill fiora in 1v1 immune to attack speed slow and has no spells that she can block if he only right clicks
You're really hyping this 0.75 second cast time spell that any champion with mobility can effortlessly dodge. Do you think a Tryndamere gives a shit about that attack speed slow? He Es through her and continues to beat her ass (and yes I am saying that Tryndamere dunks on Fiora 1v1). If you believe Yassuo, a far better Yasuo player than anyone here, Yasuo also beats her if he holds onto his Q properly.
Joseraph2 votesSpeaking from experience, Nasus vs Jax depends on the Jax's build. On some builds, which must include lifesteal, Jax can win this matchup. Here's the issue;
Nasus beats him until he gets six items. If Nasus stacks too much after Jax gets six items, Nasus wins again.
FalconPawwwwnch3 votesJax beats trundle hard at high items
His only damage besides R is autoattacks lol and Jax E cd is 4 seconds with cdr
Test this out in a custom
PermabannedGaren9 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2017-05-23T22:49:19.430+0000)
Jax doesn't win 1v1 against anyone
He wins 1v1 against Fiora. =)
KONO RUBICK DA12 votesi would be surprised
considering that she can slow his AS during his E or hell even stun him if she blocks his E her true damage hurts his ult bonus armor, and she has more sustain than him in a fight
i guess he can win 1v1 against her in mid game, but he gets outscaled hard af
PermabannedGaren5 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=00050001000000020000,timestamp=2017-05-24T00:14:55.037+0000)
i would be surprised
considering that she can slow his AS during his E or hell even stun him if she blocks his E
During his E Fiora can do essentially no damage to Jax at all. And considering Jax's big boy movement speed with phage, it is not hard to dodge a spell with a 0.75 second cast time. During said E, Jax is pounding Fiora's face in. While his DPS is pretty low for a skirmisher, his burst is very respectable and Fiora is not that tanky.
her true damage hurts his ult bonus armor, and she has more sustain than him in a fight
You're honestly underestimating how much damage Jax can do to Fiora in up to two seconds. And if he does manage to stun her, he will nearly kill her during the stun's duration.
Triforce and gunblade give Jax huge burst my dude, and sterak's gage counters her percent health true damage with a big fat cock of a shield.
i guess he can win 1v1 against her in mid game, but he gets outscaled hard af
In a general sense maybe, but in a 1v1? No, not really.
KONO RUBICK DA6 votesjax would have been picked top against fiora since a long time in high elo if he was able to counter her and she wouldn't have a decent ban rate in high elo
PermabannedGaren6 votes[{quoted}](name=Metal Malicious,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=0005000100000002000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-24T00:28:18.972+0000)
jax would have been picked top against fiora since a long time in high elo if he was able to counter her and she wouldn't have a decent ban rate in high elo
When did I ever say that Jax counters Fiora in lane? He can just duel her late game, and possibly mid game. This doesn't suddenly make a binary outdated champion like Jax a meta top laner.
AirKingNeo18 votesFiora parries the stun. Instant trade win.
And no, Fiora beats Jax all the time.
Automated Riven19 votes.75 second riposte doesn't cover the entire duration of counter strike. Jax can pop it early to avoid the riposte and it becomes a skill matchup when you understand that as the Jax player. It actually becomes a game where fiora has to predict the stun instead of reacting to it in order to win.
AirKingNeo8 votesBut that means he doesn't take advantage of counterstrikes full duration, meaning he has less time to be uneffected by Fiora. This means she can go back in and kill him.
Golden Tager X7 votesas burst heavy as jax is, if she gets stunned its over.
PermabannedGaren5 votesFiora parries the stun. Instant trade win.
And no, Fiora beats Jax all the time.
Past early game, why would Jax be hit by the parry? Riposte is not an especially quick ability, and it roots her in place. It's not difficult to dodge.
Afraid not. Jax wins late game my friend.
AirKingNeo7 votesRiposte is a fairly quick ability and it is fairly hard to dodge, especially while in melee range.
Fiora literally outscales Jax. Jax does not win late game vs Fiora because Fiora oneshots Jax though his ultimate with her own. Literally talk to any high elo Jax main.
PermabannedGaren4 votesRiposte is a fairly quick ability and it is fairly hard to dodge
Stopped reading tbh, 0.75 seconds is not "quick".
EndlessSorcerer45 votesTo ensure we have enough time between autoattacks to look properly intimidating.
RainbowIcee3 votesreminds me of old school fire emblem
EndlessSorcerer9 votesThere are some great comics for the series.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/katietiedrich/comic407_zpsfyyzwyma.png
Otherworldz12 votesShe is supposed to be the best 1v1 duelist champion in the game. She is designed to counter both tanks and fighters alike in any 1v1 situation past laning phase assuming she does decently early in the game.
That is the entire point of a split pushing Fiora.
FalconPawwwwnch19 votesSo you're saying she's not countered by tanks or damage champs
She has riposte to counter burst and cc She has riposte part 2 to counter dps She has passive and R to counter tanks
What's her weakness
statelesskiller3 votescc
Critmaster Garen11 votesWhat's her weakness
teamfights and more than one cc ability.
abilities like wither, 
stuns, 
rune prison, 
w are almost impossible to predict. those guys always have the advantage against her, and its easier for them to bait out riposte and then nuke her to oblivion than for her to pull off a successful w.
champions like 
with multiple forms of cc also give her a hard time, since she may be able to parry one of their abilities, but then gets locked down by another and dies.
then theres just straight up lane cancer like 
as far as general gameplay counters go, protecting vitals by hiding them inside walls, and resetting unfavcourable vitals works aswell. buying slow items to kite out of her ult, aswell as heal debuffs and items like 
and 
that absorb part of her damage.
it really depends on who youre playing.
JSTIN88 votesBecause apparently she is supposed to win every 1v1 matchup ever, all the time, even if she is 0/5. At least that's what I got from the Fiora mains on this site.
fuffychan5 votes
has true damage which lets him kill anyone tanky, but he also has a ranged nuke that slows so he can kill ranged too
How is that fair exactly
Ralanr40 votesFlat true damage sucks against tanks and is only good against squishies.
fuffychan6 votesIm just gonna bypass this Rammus 500 armor here. Totally sucks vs tanks.
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fuffychan3 votes300+ true damage every 5 seconds is a lot.
But okay, "olaf sucks vs tanks"
Big Lincoln25 votestbh he kinda does, Olaf is best in metas where there aren't a lot of tanks so he can run at your ADC and out-skill them with his spammable true damage + permaslow
who would u rather spam 200 true damage on, the 2k health ADC who doesn't have armor for all your autos+q physical damage, or the tank who's gonna ignore all your physical damage and also cc-lock you when your ult is down
Hinagiku333 votes...Honestly, I'd rather just let Olaf murder the enemy's tank while the assassin mid/jungle murders the carry.
Olaf's E does massive true damage, enough that tanks can't shrug it off like they can with other sources of flat true damage. And it scales. And resets the cooldown with his auto-attacks so he easily gets multiple E's off in a fight. Really, as long as someone else on the team can pick off the ADC, then Olaf makes a great tank-shredder.
Sp33d Zer04 votesIt doesn't matter if there are a lot of tanks, olaf's ult lets him bypass them anyway. He should be best in a meta with 1-2 carries so it's less people that will kill him as at low health he should never lose 1v1 vs a tanks low damage.
Asayake 5150glow6 votesFlat true damage sucks against tanks and is only good against squishies.
Problem is Olaf does a LOT of true damage, and with the health -> resists shift it's even stronger. Not to mention that he can E multiple times very quickly because of how his autos lower it's CD.
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Asayake 5150glow2 votesI would be fine with Fiora match-ups if her W didn't reduce my attack speed as
. When she does that I'm running around like a headless chicken with stormraider's and .3 attack speed(3+ second swing timer) to land my 3rd Q.
If she couldn't do that then Morde would fuck Fiora over.
Plus it's not Stormraiders because she doesn't get slow resist.
If she did, and was able to kite Morde with Q's, then I'd be ok with Morde winning in a flat out duel, but because she can't? This is an example of where someone outstatchecking a juggernaut is intended.
Mostly because Morde is a statcheck champion.
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Asayake 5150glow1 votesI have stormraider's... And any good Fiora is able to cancel out the 3rd Q, cutting a third of my damage off with 1 of her skills. Not only that but it fucks my attack speed its oblivion. I'd be lucky to auto her again.
Stormraiders as Fiora or Morde? Because if you don't want Fiora to be facetanking you and winning, you need to make her able to kite you, and because Morde's usually get slows in their items and/or dashes, and they also usually take Stormraiders, Fiora really can't kite him right now.
Also, Fiora probably wouldn't wanna Riposte your third Q, rather your first Q and just kill you before you get the third one off.
PermabannedGaren4 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5BkJ3Gst,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-05-23T23:19:12.884+0000)
If she couldn't do that then Morde would fuck Fiora over.
He still does to be blunt. Mordekaiser shits on Fiora in a laning scenario, he just has serious drawbacks top lane that keep him from truly being meta.
Tengrichan1 votesThat's the result of the rework.He could win against her with his old Q easily.
