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Jax VS Aatrox

OlafRagnarson··4 votes·1,324 views

I have about 600 ranked games with Aatrox. I literally zoned in on him as soon as I started league and decided to play him a lot because no one played him, and I like uphill battles. I am confident against almost any champ in lane, but have always been weary of Jax and Pantheon.

I played as Jax today at top, first time ever, in ranked. I did very well. I gotta say, this is absurd. Stupid easy to use and stupid amounts of damage.

1)unlike Aatrox, his attack speed bonus is not based staying combat. 2)His engage is not a skill shot. That makes a huge difference. 3)His stun is much more useful because its coupled with a defensive action, 4)The passive on his ult is basically like what Aatrox gets every third hit with his W, minus the cost of life and having to toggle it on.

At no point did I feel the need to have more sustain. Jax's ult is so much better than Atrox's and it even scales off of his bonus AD and boosts his defense! Come on now! Aatrox's ult scales off of AP. Haha how retarded and useless.

I could compare Aatrox to many other top laners and he comes up short, no scaling of any kind for late game. Less damage, longer cooldowns, passive that only is good if you are always in combat...the list goes on. Riot is out of their minds for not bring Aatrox up to par. Aatrox needs a reworrk.

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kJs3 votes

He needs a rework, and it's going to be later than sooner, Riot has specifically mentioned that his theme of inspiring allies to valorous combat isn't met, they, however feel that Aatrox is in an okay spot balance wise and I agree.

Jax is definitely easier to use that Aatrox because of the nature of his targetted abilities but Jax also relies on his Counter-Strike for defense and CC if he wants to stay alive in fights, Aatrox doesn't really need anything other than his W Blood Thirst to stay healthy in fights. They are just different playstyles and comparing one to the other's playstyle is futile.

However, Aatrox would be nice with a rework on his kit, he needs help sticking to his target when he's going for the damage path like other top lane AD centric carries/bruisers, his CC isn't as reliable as a Fiora Riposte nor does he have her Q to stick to targets, Riven has two CCs in her kit to help her stick, Aatrox really needs something to help him stick. The biggest factor into playing Aatrox is his reliance on his autoattacks to stay in fights because of his Blood Thirst/Price passive, if he gets some help with sticking to his targets i.e. help him land more autoattacks longer in fights he should be workable again. He is otherwise not that bad, as long as you autoattack endlessly his Blood Thirst + Spirit Visage + BotRK is enough to stay alive in fights, but once you can't autoattack anything you start to be useless until you have Q or E ready to keep autoattacking. He does scary damage with a BotRK on squishies.

I'd personally like a buff to the raw stats that Guinsoo's Rageblade gives and a buff to Aatrox's AP scalings, 75% AP Scaling for E instead of 60% and 85% AP scaling instead of 60% on his Massacre. Gives a reason to pick up the item which should synergise with a combat reliant champion like Aatrox and gives Aatrox more damage on his magic damage counter-part.

OlafRagnarson3 votes

Exactly. Sometimes in team fights, if my Q is on cool down, and I can't get to the ADC or other squishy, I have to attack anything near me or else I die. And then the team says, why are you attacking the tank...and I respond, because if I stop attacking I will die!

Cowgirl Ed2 votes

aatrox needs to be removed from the game or reworked hard

OlafRagnarson1 votes

I agree

MakeOutHiIIXXX1 votes

Scrap the ap and extra range on his ult and give him maybe bonus life steal or something to help him stick to his target Get rid of the slow on his E give it a passive for bonus attack speed or armour pen and make it a exeqution also faster projectiile speed And make his Q some kind of spam able move Change his his revive into a regenerate when out of combat his well drain giving him health But when full gives him bonus stats

Just ideas off the top of my head~S5 aatrox main

kJs1 votes

Lifesteal isn't going to help Aatrox stick to his target. His slow is how he sticks to his target, though ineffective. Having a spammable knock-up as the only CC? Maybe. Giving him a Garen passive would kind of defeat the purpose of his Blood Well, which requires him to be in constant combat to maximise its attack speed bonus.

MakeOutHiIIXXX2 votes

I said 'or' something to help him to his target. Not saying lifesteal will help him stick I was suggesting something like sions. Old ultimate when I said lifesteal The slow on his is doesnt help him stick or catch it more usefull getting but it has a cast time. His new passive would offer him bonus stats Ls, crit, as..etc what ever would be need to make him balanced and viable so he would excel in extended combat

Notes- The 300 ap on his R becomes useless late game 1:1 scaling on R useless

Ap scaling on E useless late game Slow on E useless doesnt stop the kiting slow projectike speed small hit box

W in a good spot If W could proc shen would open up build paths and ap scaling on E, R would be justified a bit He has to choose damage or heal when others have both (darius reworked Q)

Q terrible ad scaling no damage Low range Long cast time Mediums reward high rish=you miss you're fcked

kJs1 votes

lol yeah 100% +1 Medium reward but high risk.

MacDeath1 votes

I could compare Aatrox to many other top laners and he comes up short, no scaling of any kind for late

Maybe he's better in jungle?item 3930

The Whamboozler1 votes

Aatrox was a horrible failure of champion design. I doubt he'll see any major changes barring a rework.

TheDevice1 votes

aatrox feels like a beta version of a champion lol. I mean I know I talk trash about his kit though i do appreciate the work done ofc but at the same time I get livid when I remember that he's just a poor mans version of so many other champions.

His kit needs some serious work.

You have this champion who is so heavily reliant on auto attacking / life steal that there is a myriad of ways to shut him down. grievous wounds / ignite, cc, attack speed reduction. If the enemy team has any of this stuff then aatrox is pretty much a dead man and will offer nothing to teamfights.

I undertand people saying hes like a late initiator but you can still play tryndamere, jax, trundle, udyr, xin zhao or others to do the same thing and also have real team fight potential even when the fight is not set up in some perfect scenario.

Another thing is, I'm sure Riot figured that devourers would make him viable... this only made champions like shyv, jax, xin, and some other even more of a reliable pick over aatrox. Why go sated aatrox when you can go sated shyvanna and be tanky while dealing massive amounts of damage?

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Exactly. Why pick someone when you can pick someone more tanky who actually does damage? There is definitely a solution here somewhere.

Poske1 votes

Thing is mate AATROX is insanely overloaded he has everything

Last time he was viable he overshadowed other toplaners

OlafRagnarson1 votes

Exactly. Thats why they can't buff him. So he needs a rework!

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