YOU DONT ALWAYS NEED A TANK SUPPORT

VvVVvV·Apr 30, 2018·33 votes·13,985 views

Get this myth out of your head.

This is really bad in low elo.....its like a built in pre excuse incase you lose. People have it in their head you need a tanky support. You dont even need to always have a tank every game and if you do have a tank they can be top, jungle, or mid (galio, chogath, malphite) ...not just support.

So many games in low elo start off bad just because people are tilted and arguing from champ select soon as they see the support showing they want to use anything other than a tank. And the person who wanted the support to be a tank is just waiting for something bad to happen so they can start their flame.

78 Comments

OurLestradeApr 30, 201837 votes

None of them want to play a tank, that's the issue. Suddenly the support needs to be the front and back line at the same time, happens very frequently. Thankfully Taric exists and he's enough man to take both positions. :^)

Tarquin96Apr 30, 201825 votes

And if taric plays with ezreal he will do all the positions ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

LordGeovanniApr 30, 20181 votes

Even though i hate the new rework just for the loss of Old pre rework Taric. I'll admit Taric helps out the back line while on the front line even if its that he fires e forward and who ever is on the adc has to try to dodge it and die before they can start hitting the adc again. Fuck Single target passive sharer even if it has a mini sheild that isnt usefull on anyone not stacking hp. Fuck the most expensive Basic spell in the game on a guy with a tiny mana pool but Each cast still isnt impactfull enough to save people despite being stacked 5 times and the most expensive mana spell in the game. And fuck all hell with the useless ult that relies on you enemies not know what it does and your allies Actually following up The only time you can use it without the enemy walking out its use is if you are already winning the fight which then makes it pointless to use.

5000000000000000May 1, 20183 votes

Taric Q is meant to be an in-combat sustain with getting tons of stacks from passive. That's why his Q heal sucks individually. If you take a look at heal per second, I'm pretty sure it beats the rest of the roster, with possible exceptions to Juggernauts self healing.

Taric ult can be used well without relying on the enemy messing up. You can ult before your carries getting caught out, getting engaged on, or engaging. It is perhaps the most difficult part of his kit to learn, but it is useful and powerful.

KlydeFrogMay 6, 20181 votes

Also braum . if your smart youll take guardian

Pandemic PunchApr 30, 20188 votes

Yep. It is also funny when your team asks you to play a tank top only to be locked in a stalemate lane vs Gnar. No point in having a tank on the team if they aren't going to do anything to free you up to actually make use of you.

Just ignore them and use your better judgement. You won't climb out of your elo by listening to players who are stuck in it :D

Edit: Same thing when someone says, "We need AP!!!" when there are no tanks on the enemy team nor will anyone on the enemy team think to build any armor in the first place.

ShiniXIIMay 1, 20181 votes

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Yep. It is also funny when your team asks you to play a tank top only to be locked in a stalemate lane vs Gnar. No point in having a tank on the team if they aren't going to do anything to free you up to actually make use of you.

Just ignore them and use your better judgement. You won't climb out of your elo by listening to players who are stuck in it :D

Edit: Same thing when someone says, "We need AP!!!" when there are no tanks on the enemy team nor will anyone on the enemy team think to build any armor in the first place.

what do you pick into gnar then? a bruiser? nah you get outtraded. literally best pick into gnar is a tank because he will never kill you, and thats the best you can do against gnar.

Pandemic PunchMay 1, 20181 votes

That isn't even the point. The point was being stuck in lane vs a champion that destroys tanks and having no help from your team whatsoever.

If you want to be nit picky about it though, Gnar destroys the majority of tanks. Even if you just survive lane vs gnar, it isn't enough. You can't wait it out forever if your team is constantly behind. Gnar WILL destroy your turret and there will be absolutely nothing you can do about it. One of the only tanks who can stand up to Gnar early is Sion, but even he will succumb to Gnar's tank killing power eventually.

Just use your imagination of what YOU think makes tanks utterly useless in lane if you truly seek the point that I was trying to make. The intent of your post only shows me that you want to make an argument out of nothing. Begone

LordGeovanniApr 30, 20187 votes

In my opinion if you dont have a tank in any other role its better to just not try to tank support. Support tanks are secondary tanks they cant really tank major damage. Tank items are designed to be weaker than damage items and supports have weaker items than tank items with only tank stats. Tank items may have good gold efficiency but their slot efficiency is horrible.

IainG10May 1, 20182 votes

Support tanks tend to be very cc heavy, but they are surprisingly light on survivability

DubshokaMay 1, 20183 votes

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In my opinion if you dont have a tank in any other role its better to just not try to tank support. Support tanks are secondary tanks they cant really tank major damage. Tank items are designed to be weaker than damage items and supports have weaker items than tank items with only tank stats. Tank items may have good gold efficiency but their slot efficiency is horrible.

This is pretty much the problem. You feel like a tank in lane but when you bump into the 4 kill Irelia that's 2 levels up, you're toast.

PsybicilinMay 1, 20182 votes

I think Alistar is the only one capable of tanking for a decent amount of time, thanks to his R. Maybe a Maokai support if you steal some farm.

LordGeovanniMay 2, 20181 votes

Thing is People usually wait out alistar's R same thing happens with the op Taric . I really rather his more underrated old ult that people generally ignored. Tank items are Balanced that some how you finish your items before a damage carry that gets more damage that allows them to farm easier so its not really likely (and that catch up gold negates that notion) and that is their strength. While damage is balanced to be better with out any penetration and penetration is super good.

FOR JUSTICEApr 30, 20186 votes

Normally i ignore it, because we damn well knew when we declared our champs their wasnt going to be a tank, let alone if im support 3 other teammates could have played a tank. Enchanters are nice tho, so i stick to them anyway.

Nami Sona

( i know lulu and janna are too, but i dont play them because i cant stand the fact that im absolutely nothing but a shield bot used for peel, at least with these two during laning i can actually poke myself even if the adc is crap, along with decent follow up in a teamfight)

5050BSApr 30, 20181 votes

Enchanters make anyone on the team a tank is why.

SanKakUApr 30, 20183 votes

Not if the allies act like shields are a negative status effect and refuse to engage with them.

LordGeovanniApr 30, 20182 votes

If a Support sheilds me as i go in in team fights they auto earn my honor As a bruiser main. It just beats out my jungler handing me my lane on a platter with level 2 and 4 ganks and only taxing 1-3 minions and not 3 whole waves.

Metal JannaMay 1, 20182 votes

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Not if the allies act like shields are a negative status effect and refuse to engage with them.

So much this. The occasional ADC: "Oh no my support's activated the shield! I must be about to die!" tumbles away from enemy Me: "That was supposed to let you secure the kill without fear of dying..."

Snowman ArcApr 30, 20186 votes

You are wrong. If you believe that Janna and Lulu are just shield bots, then you are sooooo wrong. Watch someone play Janna at high level and watch what they do. Max W and stomp lane.

FOR JUSTICEApr 30, 20181 votes

That would make a lot more sense then, usually i go by whats meta with op.gg or 1-2 guides, which usually tell me max shield>bird thing>tornado

Snowman ArcApr 30, 20185 votes

That's why most people can't climb. They can't think outside the box, or on their own. They just copy whatever some pro played without knowing why or how. I put in the time to understand how Janna works and why I do every little thing that I do.

Sp33d Zer0Apr 30, 20182 votes

Good jannas rush 3 points w because e max rush is inefficient as hell for laning

SanKakUMay 1, 20182 votes

Old Janna before rune rework was taking e max early for best results. There are a lot of instances where misinformed players keep doing the old stuff because they weren't playing when the changes happened or whatever. I consider new Janna to be a chasing support while the old Janna was a leading support. It's a huge difference and yeah, you definitely want the w maxed nowadays. With her rework, it's more obvious that maxing w is the way to go.

Sp33d Zer0May 1, 20182 votes

Old Janna before E cooldown nerf with passive buff*

I don't remember if this was before or after the rune rework, but this is when it started.

ampheonMay 1, 20182 votes

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Old Janna before rune rework was taking e max early for best results. There are a lot of instances where misinformed players keep doing the old stuff because they weren't playing when the changes happened or whatever. I consider new Janna to be a chasing support while the old Janna was a leading support. It's a huge difference and yeah, you definitely want the w maxed nowadays. With her rework, it's more obvious that maxing w is the way to go.

Maxing W is rarely effective since you'll go into mid game with a weak, 18 second cd shield (less with cdr). leveling W to 3 (2 if you're behind), is generally more optimal

PsybicilinMay 1, 20181 votes

Feels bad when enchanter supports do mage supports job better than mage supports.

Snowman ArcMay 2, 20181 votes

Only for the first stages of the game.

REDCOLOREDApr 30, 20185 votes

Nami Win Rate 53.22% Blitzcrank 50.36% Alistar 49.84% Leona 48.11% BUT Sion Win Rate 53.52% so cc wins always

FlashesApr 30, 20184 votes

Mfw enchanter supports are actually better than tank supports right now.

AHEM. Janna Lulu Nami

PaladinNOApr 30, 20184 votes

My mains: Nami and Lulu

But everyone is free to ~~ask~~ tell me to get a tank support if they don't want me to be able to do my job.

SmilesNSunshineMay 1, 20183 votes

This.

5050BSApr 30, 20183 votes

If your team does not have a Tank, it is most likely a loss. Does not matter where the tank is. Top, Jungle, Support one of those needs to be a tank.

Pandemic PunchApr 30, 20185 votes

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Blanket statement like that does not work. In our respective elos, this is untrue more than it is actually true. Also in our respective elos, it is usually the team that deals the highest multi-target DPS that wins. Exceptions would be if you have a player who is a smurf or is performing really well. They can end the game before any of that damage can even come online.

VvVVvVApr 30, 20183 votes

But thats not always true either...ive been on many teams that have won with no tank. You can have a Juggernaut like Garen and win or even win without a tank or juggernaut.

AnnoxisApr 30, 20184 votes

Juggernauts are not even remotely close to Tanks. If you have a Darius Top, you need to consider it more like you would consider a Fiora rather than a Sion.

PB4UAMEApr 30, 20182 votes

People really, truly, fucking desperately NEED, I repeat FUCKING NEED to learn what the sub classes are for fuck's sake.

A juggernaut is a melee carry. They are designed to do as much damage as physically possible to the enemy team, nothing else. They are not tanks, they are not off tanks. They have bulk because their low target accessibility and even lower threat range necessitate some form of defense against AoE, ground targeted effects, multi-hit/pass through skills, as well as survivng being in range of (or focused by) up to the entire other team.

They don't give a fuck if you're about to be nailed by CC and skillshots as an out of position mage or ADC, it simply is NOT, AT ALL their job to save you from your own stupidity. That's on Warden and Vanguards (y'know, the actual defensive classes, or tanks, designed to take focus and punishment for their team while also either peeling or engaging with hard CCs). You need defensive characters on each team.

You don't necessarily require a tank, as enchanters can also offer defensive utility as can many mages-- stacking several of these champions, say a Lulu, and Oriana can then make a non-tank reasonably tanky temporarily so as to act as a psuedo tank (we saw this in Season 5 professional play quite a lot in the hyper tank meta, where non-hyper tanks would be shielded and ulted and used as a delivery system for the AoE displacement and knock-up from those aforementioned champion's to simulate the effect a true tank would bring to the table) --but note that it takes 3+ champions to adequately fulfil that role, verses picking 1 actual tank and them just doing their thing. Bonus is you get way more damage this way, and tend to have better scalings come lategame, but it requires that those three at least stick together and communicate well.

In a perfectly balanced game of League of Legends, a juggernaut could replace your ADC as your main carry. So would a skirmisher (think Yasuo, Riven, Fiora, Jax, Cam) or a burst mage. They are all carry archetypes that are focused almost entirely upon damage and only secondarily on providing the tools those champions need to survive while providing the damage that they can.

Snowman ArcApr 30, 20185 votes

Classic low elo myth. You need a tank or we lose. In low elo, all you need to win is not be fucking stupid.

IainG10May 1, 20182 votes

Greetings from low Elo; my general rule is if the enemy has a tank you might want one; but if the enemy is full squish, feel free to copy them.

Snowman ArcMay 1, 20182 votes

Your general rule. The thing about low elo is that team comps do not matter. As long as you are not stupid (avoiding stupid mistakes) and doing some things "not bad", you are gonna win.

For example, you can play top lane Graves. As long as you farm relatively well, don't die to stupid ganks and understand your match ups, you should stomp any lane and any game.

BeersteinApr 30, 20183 votes

I don't see this at low MMR, just how low are you?

Snowman ArcApr 30, 20182 votes

It's bronze elo, what did you expect?

rtbf221651412May 1, 20182 votes

If almost the entire team has hard cc, do you even need to consider a tank?

TyroneWatermelonMay 1, 20182 votes

People say this because they are fed up with all the kids playing fiora/riven top while having a yi jungle... only the support can play an actual tank and not everyone has Galio, and cho/malph mid are bad in most matchups

lolipopevelynnMay 1, 20182 votes

Yasuo MasterYi Teemo Sona (full ap btw) Ashe

Amumu Braum Sion Anivia Tristana

"but we dont need a tank guys xDDD"

ive played enough games in this shit elo to tell you this.

tanks win games.

the simple reason is you dont feed nearly as fast if you are actually building defenses, and you will still be useful if lane is lost. doesnt matter if sion loses lane, he will still be tanky and useful when peeling for his carries. if someone like yi or yas loses lane and get behind, they are going to stay behind and continue feeding. when it comes to a tanky comp the only thing that matters is making sure your AP and ADC are healthy and able to deal damage and you just run over a squishier team every time. there is no reason to NOT have ATLEAST 2 tanks on a team every game.

a squishy team vs a squishy team in low elo will always result in a clown fiesta, and its a really stupid way to play the game.

VvVVvVMay 1, 20181 votes

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even tho they didnt have a true tank......they still had 2 champs that are tanky and hard to kill and our team was about as squishy as you can get.

remakoroMay 1, 20181 votes

People wailing non stop about how Lulu and Janne is so fukken OP. Didnt think people still playing tank supports :/

Subject 5May 1, 20181 votes

I've got multiple 70% winrates that aren't tank supports. I usually don't play them just because of the fact that I'm usually the only guy that picks a tank . . . on a support budget.

FullmetallicMay 2, 20181 votes

As a rengar/jungle main, a tank support can save your adc. A janna or lulu can save your whole team with EASE.

warmcorntortillaMay 2, 20181 votes

I hate playing tank supports and straight-up won't do it. Tanks' builds are actually kind of expensive and tank supports suck SO MUCH mid game unless you get stupid fed. If your ADC gets behind, or can't follow up, or hell if you pick a bad engage? Guess what? You can't do the ONE thing you're supposed to do until late game: live long enough to apply cc and peel for your adc.

A mage support? If my team is bad, I can carry. An enchanter support? If my team is bad, I can at least mitigate the damage. Tank supports? You are entirely dependent on your team to not be a sack of potatoes. Try playing something like Nautilus or Leona into a fed Jinx. See how fun that is.