Why Garen is in an unhealthy state.

Radiant Wukong·2/25/2020, 10:11:43 PM·1 votes·2,750 views

Garen is #1 in top lane win rate from iron to plat, and remains top 5 diamond plus.

That means that all players, casual, hardcore and professional are all performing exceptionally well with Garen. That's a clear indication that he's overtuned.

For as long as I've played League, there's never been a champion who has been pick/ban across every elo. When streamers and professionals are banning the simplest champs, it's a numbers issue.

Whenever overly simplified champs Garen MasterYi XinZhao Ashe are seeing high popularity and win rates it's simply a number tuning issue. Takes one patch to dial their efficiency back (hard nerf) then slowly buff them into balance over the next few months.

I think Garen's issue fall into his W, but a solution may also be found in his E.

10 Comments

PB4UAME2/26/2020, 2:08:01 AM7 votes

You sure about that? He's not the top top laner in a single Elo. Hell, for some of the Elos you're claiming him to be #1 at, he's not even in the top ten, let alone top 5.

https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

Plat+ its Kayle, Ornn, Kled, Maokai, then Garen.

https://champion.gg/statistics/?league=bronze#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

In bronze we see Sion, Mao Kai, then Garen, followed by Ornn and Nasus, so 3 tanks that Garen does quite well against, a juggernaut Garen hard counters, and Garen.

https://champion.gg/statistics/?league=silver#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

In Silver, Garen doesn't show up until fucking 12th place, behind Sona, Soraka, Singed, Malphite, Yorick, Nasus, Gnar, Cho'Gath, Ornn, Kayle, Mundo, then finally Garen, who is supposedly "#1" while not even being in the top 10 goddamn top laners.

https://champion.gg/statistics/?league=gold#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

In gold we see Sona, Soraka, Singed, Kayle, Yorick, Teemo, then Garen at 7th place.

So, would you kindly like to try a-fucking-gain without blatantly lying your ass off?

IMelchorI2/25/2020, 10:25:26 PM6 votes

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Garen is #1 in top lane win rate from iron to plat

why does this matter?

iron to plat is low elo.

simple champions have high winrates at low elo because of low elo players. this is completely logical.

IMelchorI2/25/2020, 10:29:19 PM3 votes

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Whenever overly simplified champs Garen MasterYi XinZhao Ashe are seeing high popularity and win rates it's simply a number tuning issue.

it is an issue of the players trying to play difficult champions and failing at them because they are still bad at the game.

if you have trouble against these champions you have two options like another thread wrote it

  1. get good
  2. quit
Thefrostyviking2/25/2020, 10:33:30 PM2 votes

Ashe is simple but she takes far more skill to succeed with than the rest if you ask me simply because she pops instantly if she positions poorly given lack of mobility or self defense abilities.

In my eyes she is more of a mid-level ADC if that makes any sense,i´d honestly recommend someone like say Cait or Tristana to a complete newb instead as they have better and easier to use self peel.

Zyniya2/25/2020, 11:19:51 PM1 votes

I remember a time when Garen players actually built him tank in my low elo now they stack full attack speed you still can't kill him he rolls in spins and if low on hp rolls out comes back 7 secs later full hp and spins again xD [sg-miss-fortune]

Düff McWhalen2/26/2020, 1:06:09 AM1 votes

I picked up Garen today for the first time in YEARS in a ranked game of all places and had the easiest fucking time in my life. I got a 1v4 Triple Kill and didn't die...I started with 3 x item 1006 and casually fucked a Singed , a champion I should be STRUGGLING to lane against. I roamed for dragons and always had summoner 12 up because I was never forced out of lane or evenly traded with.

This champ needs to be fucking gutted out of existence when a shit player like me can casually win vs what I KNOW are high MMR people given my win/loss ratio in ranked currently.

Píngbì2/26/2020, 5:33:45 AM1 votes

Woudn't necessarily say garen is overtuned and needs "hard nerfs" since his kit is so one dimenstional....but yeah i would agree his one of those top laners who is really annoying to deal with...but i always thought to myself part of low elo is to learn how to deal with these kind of champions, as much as its annoying play against them its fun to outplay dem and with enough skill (like mechanically,knowing ur champion limits,knowing ur enemy champions limit) idk it just makes u feel ur better at the game