Nasus is still retardedly unstoppable if you don't have the godsend of being a ranged top laner

Hibeki··3 votes·2,793 views

His wither basically makes you stunned for the entire duration for how slow you are in doing ANYTHING and he hurts like a TRUCK without even buying an offense item because he has base damage on Q for some reason.

He's the only champ in the game that can go against a turret and win without an offense item. That being the case for SOME REASON his q works on buildings.

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3ternalkarma3 votes

my name is Darius... what is this?

ShinBlades3 votes

Akali Darius Jax JarvanIV Renekton Trundle Warwick Kayle

all melle all can bully him

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Don't forget DrMundo. You can bully Nasus early with Q and E and you scale similarly well into the late game.

Hibeki2 votes

No, those two aren't even comparable.

DLeafy2 votes

I can typically bully the hell out of a nasus with Gangplank

Wither? What wither?

SleepyLionCub3 votes

NASUS IS SO BROOOOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

if you dont play a ranged champion!

or if you dont play a champion that can block autos!

or if you dont play a champion with good burst and sustain!

or if you dont play a champion with good harass!

or if you dont play a champion with better sustain!

or if you dont play a champion with good early game!

Hibeki3 votes

2 champions in the game that block autos

You cant burst a tank

Melee's dont have harass

Sustain as a melee? That's funny.

Melee have an early game? that's funny

SleepyLionCub3 votes

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2 champions in the game that block autos Fiora Teemo Quinn Pantheon You cant burst a tank Vayne Akali Jax Melee's dont have harass Pantheon Malphite Zed Sustain as a melee? That's funny. Tryndamere Trundle Fiora Irelia Garen Melee have an early game? that's funny Darius Renekton Garen Shyvana

Wot?

DrNova1 votes

You forgot KogMaw for Tank bursting and Aatrox for sustain

solarra3 votes

Really? Because I can easily beat a Nasus with Darius.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

So I'm guessing that you just lost to a Nasus? That seems to be the common source of rage threads.

DWT123451 votes

prob in the middle of a game and just typed it while he was dead

Soybean162 votes

Don't let him free farm for 30 minutes = problem solved

Hibeki4 votes

You realize he outscales anyone in the game faster than anyone in the game

and his q STILL works on turrets.

Cale0171 votes

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You realize he outscales anyone in the game faster than anyone in the game

and his q STILL works on turrets.

No. Not even close. Lee Sin has the highest scalings in the game.

Hibeki2 votes

What...?

Cale0171 votes

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What...?

Nasus' scalings are pretty meh at best. His highest scaling is on his Spirit Fire, and that's only if you're building straight AP and if they stand on it for the full duration.

Sightless661 votes

Nasus doesn't get his scaling from building offensive stats. Nasus scales amazingly because he can stack damage on his Q and then build nothing but tank stats and CDR. This allows him to do extremely high damage while having nothing but tank items. Additionally, the large Q damage and the AD his ult gives him both scale extremely well with his lifesteal, making him nigh-unkillable in a lot of midgame and lategame fights. He scales amazingly with items and farm, although he does fall off some in the late game due to kiteability.

Cale0171 votes

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Nasus doesn't get his scaling from building offensive stats. Nasus scales amazingly because he can stack damage on his Q and then build nothing but tank stats and CDR. This allows him to do extremely high damage while having nothing but tank items. Additionally, the large Q damage and the AD his ult gives him both scale extremely well with his lifesteal, making him nigh-unkillable in a lot of midgame and lategame fights. He scales amazingly with items and farm, although he does fall off some in the late game due to kiteability.

Into the late game, yeah. But he isn't scaling faster than anyone. In fact, in order to reach that amount of late game damage from his stacking he has to do almost nothing but exclusively farm, picking up kills in lane when he can. If a Nasus is sitting in top lane farming for half an hour, try and finish the game before he decides he's got enough to start roaming.

That or, and here's an interesting thought, play someone who can deny him farm.

Sightless661 votes

A Nasus who stacks well scales very fast into the midgame. At 20 minutes, a Nasus who has a decent number of stacks has scaled very, very hard, and is in a position to win the game. 20 minutes to "so strong I can win the game" is not slow. All I need is Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, and 400-500 stacks to be stronger than anyone else. I don't need to wait for 50 minutes on Nasus. In fact, I don't want to. That's the point where everyone will be grouping, where carries will finally have resistances making them harder to immediately kill, everyone has items with slow effects to stop me from doing anything, and multiplicative damage scaling overtakes my flat damage accumulation.

Cale0171 votes

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A Nasus who stacks well scales very fast into the midgame. At 20 minutes, a Nasus who has a decent number of stacks has scaled very, very hard, and is in a position to win the game. 20 minutes to "so strong I can win the game" is not slow. All I need is Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, and 400-500 stacks to be stronger than anyone else. I don't need to wait for 50 minutes on Nasus. In fact, I don't want to. That's the point where everyone will be grouping, where carries will finally have resistances making them harder to immediately kill, everyone has items with slow effects to stop me from doing anything, and multiplicative damage scaling overtakes my flat damage accumulation.

Either someone deleted the earlier post I was replying to or the boards are just being retarded again.

I'm well aware of how hard Nasus can hit through the mid game if he's been on his stacks, and how easily he can one shot a carry in the late game, but who I was replying to earlier was saying that he scales faster than anyone else, which he doesn't. The fact that you're saying he's hitting a power spike by minute 20 means that he is NOT scaling faster than other champions, moreover you're neglecting what it takes for him to be hitting that power spike. An almost single minded focus on landing Qs, not even necessarily on pushing the lane. Moreover if you've been allowing a Nasus to farm for 20 minutes straight, it's YOUR fault. He doesn't just randomly jump to the "so strong I can win the game" category unless you let him.

But he isn't going to get to his power spike faster than other champions. Due in part to meh scalings by the numbers and him needing time to get his stacks up to a truly powerful level.

Sightless661 votes

who I was replying to earlier was saying that he scales faster than anyone else, which he doesn't.

That depends on what you mean by "faster". He doesn't get to fight immediately. but he begins gaining power immenstly fast following the purchase of his first item, which can be considered fast scaling. Hell, he can outfight most enemies pretty well at 6. That's scaling pretty fast right there. His scaling actually falls off late game for a lot of reasons (harder to do instagib damage, kiting, no multiplicative damage, etc). I consider having a very strong midgame a form of fast scaling.

An almost single minded focus on landing Qs, not even necessarily on pushing the lane.

Not really. I can get 400 by 20 pretty easily while killing the enemy laner and taking his tower (500 is not unreasonable, but it is harder) All it requires is that I be willing to ward up the enemy jungle and take that too.

Due in part to meh scalings by the numbers and him needing time to get his stacks up to a truly powerful level.

What do you mean "by the numbers"? I actually don't know what you're trying to get at with that. Can you explain that some? As I see it, stacks are numbers. Due to the stacks, he gets huge power spikes from items. Because of this, he scales well with each item he gets. He also gets huge power spikes with levels, being able to outfight people easily with his level 6. It kind of looks like you're dissociating his stacking from his scaling.

Cale0171 votes

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That depends on what you mean by "faster". He doesn't get to fight immediately. but he begins gaining power immenstly fast following the purchase of his first item, which can be considered fast scaling. Hell, he can outfight most enemies pretty well at 6. That's scaling pretty fast right there. His scaling actually falls off late game for a lot of reasons (harder to do instagib damage, kiting, no multiplicative damage, etc). I consider having a very strong midgame a form of fast scaling.

His scalings remain the same going into the late game. They just aren't as effective. Dealing 1000+ damage on a Q strike doesn't become any weaker as he enters the late game, it just becomes less effective. What I mean by faster is the rate that his abilities are increasing in damage which, in all honesty, they aren't. His Q scales only with stacks, which means that if he's allowed to get those stacks then yes he's going to become somewhat unmanageable, but that's the price paid for not limiting his ability to farm. His other two scaling offensive abilities are going off of AP which, aside from the odd IBG, a Nasus won't have, making those scalings utterly useless as he's more than likely just running on the base damages.

Not really. I can get 400 by 20 pretty easily while killing the enemy laner and taking his tower (500 is not unreasonable, but it is harder) All it requires is that I be willing to ward up the enemy jungle and take that too.

Depending on your laner, sure. But don't try and say that a Nasus can do that in every single match like it's nothing. I've seen plenty of Nasus... es? Nasusi? Nases? Nasuseses shut down during the early game and forced to sit in their top lane and farm for the next half hour to try and be useful, meaning that more pressure can be applied to other areas of the map. Doesn't much matter how many stacks he has if he isn't in teamfights, and I can guarantee you he isn't going to push a lane faster than 5 enemy champs all inning on a bottom lane he can't get to.

What do you mean "by the numbers"? I actually don't know what you're trying to get at with that. Can you explain that some? As I see it, stacks are numbers. Due to the stacks, he gets huge power spikes from items. Because of this, he scales well with each item he gets. He also gets huge power spikes with levels, being able to outfight people easily with his level 6. It kind of looks like you're dissociating his stacking from his scaling.

I'm referring to his AP/AD ratios. The actual "scalings" on his abilities. Yes, his Q stacks count as a part of his scaling but, again, he isn't scaling the fastest out of anyone in the league, even by level 6. I'm relatively sure that title is still shared by Pantheon, Riven, and Lee Sin. The only number on his kit that will usually be increasing over the course of a match is his Q, which can be prevented with jungler pressure or by playing a champion who can heavily harass him and either bully him out of lane or just plain make it unsafe to farm. Teemo, Gnar, and Darius all come to mind.

Sightless661 votes

I'm referring to his AP/AD ratios. The actual "scalings" on his abilities.

Ok. Well, I'm not talking about them, because they aren't relevant to how Nasus scales throughout the game. He scales mostly independently of his AD/AP ratios, so I'm not going to spend time talking about them in a discussion of how Nasus scales.

That's not what people talk about when they talk about scaling. AD/AP scaling isn't the only way a champion scales, and the guy you first responded to wasn't talking about his AD/AP scaling, he was talking about Nasus's overall scaling. We're talking about champion scaling, not AD/AP scaling. Nasus gets more damage from CDR than the vast majority of other champions, because of the damage he gets on his Q. He also scales well because he gets so much utility on his W. These are the relevant aspects of his scaling, not AD/AP ratios. No one discusses that as a factor of how Nasus scales, so I don't see the point in focusing on it here.

And yeah, you can bully Nasus, but that's not part of the point being argued. I'm not debating that with you. I'm talking about the scaling Nasus has. Yes, he can be shut down, but so can anyone. Riven will be useless and won't scale if she gets denied hard enough that she can't farm. Same with Nasus. Same with Syndra. Same with any laner. Not worth discussing any further than that.

What I mean by faster is the rate that his abilities are increasing in damage which, in all honesty, they aren't.

But that isn't the only way Nasus scales. He scales great into the midgame because he can get a good amount of damage while having a lot of utility and being very tanky. That's the more important factor in his scaling. Damage is not the only factor in a champion.

But don't try and say that a Nasus can do that in every single match like it's nothing

I'm not trying to say that. It's not part of my intended message. It's not a discussion I'm even remotely interesting in having. What I am saying is what Nasus can do in an average range of games. I can expect a certain number of stacks, a certain performance, etc, and discuss his scaling based on that. Now, obviously I can recognize that he will lose lane sometimes and get stupidly fed sometimes. That's not important to the discussion of his scaling, that's a discussion of his counterplay or his general balance state. Neither is something I'm interesting in talking about right now, and neither is necessary to discuss his scaling.

His scalings remain the same going into the late game.

That's a unimportant statement. Scaling numbers are always the same throughout a game except on a few champions who get variable AD/AP ratios. It's irrelevant to this discussion.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

just about everyone outscales nasus unless the game is 2 hours long now before you shoot me....

400 stacks at 30 minutes has more impact against half builds than 900 stacks at 50 minutes against FULL BUILDS

yes, you cant 2 shot people like you did 20 minutes ago... thats cuz everyones got their shit together now not only that... team fights are everywhere and before you can land a 2nd Q, you will be peeled away easy

Hibeki1 votes

If you have only 400 stacks at 30 minutes you aren't playing nasus correctly.

You should have 200 at 10 minutes. 1k at 50 minutes

So a 1k damage ability plus base damage, plus trinity force, plus base auto attacks, every 3 seconds plus cdr.

You can't out peel an 80% slow

Leti the Yeti1 votes

pretty easy to, you slowing the adc aint got nothing to do with everyone else who is trying to kick your ass 200 stacks at 10 minutes means that the other laner is completely incompetent or afk 1k at 50 minutes and my 900 at 50 minutes isnt all that far apart... infinite scaling doesnt mean it's going to scale faster than items will it simply outscales items EVENTUALLY

1k damage + maybe the 300 or so damage you get from triforce.... on a 2 second cooldown thats butchered to less than 500 cuz even base resistance will reduce damage by like 60% ;l

Toothless Lion2 votes

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Don't let him free farm for 30 minutes = problem solved

Actually it's pretty easy to all in with Nasus by 10 minutes in a 1v1 against many champions if you stack decently.

SeargentAnus1 votes

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Actually it's pretty easy to all in with Nasus by 10 minutes in a 1v1 against many champions if you stack decently.

It's all about fighting when its in your favor. If they allow you to do this on any champion they deserve to lose.

DWT123451 votes

"retardedly unstoppable" that makes sense

DrNova1 votes

Or you can Teemo Riven Darius Pantheon does pretty goodGaren Those are just a few.

Kuroi861 votes

Nasus is still retardedly unstoppable if you don't have the godsend of being a ranged top laner

Chogath Darius DrMundo Garen Irelia JarvanIV Jax Malphite Maokai Olaf Pantheon Renekton Rumble Shyvana

These champs all beg to differ.

Waffletimewarp1 votes

Singed Apparently every single Nasus I've fought was terrible.

FantasySniper1 votes

I recommend Fiora Jax Irelia .

The Whamboozler1 votes

Dude, I wreck Nasus top with Olaf. OLAF. He's got a ton of counters. He only seems crazy strong because bad and/or uncoordinated teams often fail to close out games before the big dawg can become scary. Just remember that he exists and push the game's pace aggressively. If you let a game with Nasus in it go to 30-35 minutes, you've already probably screwed up. It's still winnable, but you're gonna have a bad time.

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