We haven't had any demacia/noxus champions in a while

BeatinWarDrumz·Sep 27, 2015·35 votes·12,147 views

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the last one we had was darius, right? I think that Riot is leaving this a bit in the dust because IMO it seems too black and white (noxus evil demacia good)

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GreenLoreSep 27, 201525 votes

Quinn was released after darius(heck Draven was directly released after Darius) and Lucian is actually a demacian,even if he doesn't work for demacia itself.

ABlueQuakerSep 28, 20154 votes

Yeah, but Lucian operates predominately as a Miscellaneous-type character - he doesn't particularly contribute anything to Demacia itself.

A Superb VillainSep 27, 20159 votes

To be fair, the nations currently the third and second most represented in League are Demacia and Noxus, respectively; 8 champions are actually from Demacia, not just affiliated with it, and 10 are from Noxus fitting the same criteria. Ionia is currently the most represented, with 13 champions born in Ionia.

GreenLoreSep 28, 20154 votes

Aren't there 11 champs who were born in noxus? Cassiopeia Darius Draven Katarina Leblanc Riven Sion Swain Talon Urgot Vladimir

RiotRiot ShadowStormSep 28, 201519 votes

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To be fair, the nations currently the third and second most represented in League are Demacia and Noxus, respectively; 8 champions are actually from Demacia, not just affiliated with it, and 10 are from Noxus fitting the same criteria. Ionia is currently the most represented, with 13 champions born in Ionia.

I think that these factions already being so well represented led to us exploring other locations for recent champs. But to the best of my knowledge, we aren't specifically trying to avoid Demacia or Noxus (or any other faction, for that matter).

That said, intentional or not, we HAVE ended up avoiding those factions. That's something Champion team is certainly aware of; it's just a matter of when it makes sense.

Are there specific things about Demacia or Noxus that you'd want their next champion to explore further?

SaixosSep 28, 201515 votes

Probably the good side of Noxus, or the bad side of Demacia from a lore perspective. That seems to be what everyone is most interested in. Someone who was able to find happiness in Noxus which he couldn't elsewhere, someone who was shunned/abandoned in Demacia.

That seems to be what most people would be interested in with the two factions, that they're not just good and bad. From a gameplay perspective, perhaps the Noxus character could be some kind of support who protects and heals his allies, yet was shunned outside of Noxus due to his "unholy" nature, and found happiness, love, and respect in Noxus? Something like that could be interesting, I don't think we have a noxian supportish character,

InvalidGuestSep 28, 20158 votes

We have one good Noxian! Riven ! more or less...

Samflash3Sep 29, 20152 votes

And she's known to spread cancer all around the world.

LeetriSep 28, 20152 votes

Ever heard of Liliana Vess from MTG? She was a healer turned necromancer. Maybe we could get a healer from Demacia who one day used "morally questionable" techniques to save a life. They were faced with execution because of their arts, but managed to change the punishment to exile/ managed to escape. They fled to Noxus, where their techniques were appreciated and very much needed. This highlights Demacia's boner for justice, all laws need to be followed no matter what. They'd rather someone died even when they could be saved, just because they don't think the means are morally right.

RiotRiot ShadowStormSep 28, 20156 votes

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Ever heard of Liliana Vess from MTG? She was a healer turned necromancer. Maybe we could get a healer from Demacia who one day used "morally questionable" techniques to save a life. They were faced with execution because of their arts, but managed to change the punishment to exile/ managed to escape. They fled to Noxus, where their techniques were appreciated and very much needed. This highlights Demacia's boner for justice, all laws need to be followed no matter what. They'd rather someone died even when they could be saved, just because they don't think the means are morally right.

I think Liliana would be a cool character reference for a new Noxian champ. I like that she represents the ideals of Black (in the MTG color pie) - ambition at all costs - but she isn't "evil". She's just trying to beat death - first as a healer, then as a necromancer - which is ambition through and through. I'd love to see a Noxian who is similar, in that their ambition isn't military/combat prowess, but something else.

Kitsuki05Sep 28, 201523 votes

The Demacian inquisition. You can't not have an inquisition in your history if you believe you are the moral epitome of the land.

KING OF MASKSSep 28, 20154 votes

What this guy said; some kind of inquisitor archetype more in tune with the darker side of Demacia would be pretty fuckin' sweet.

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 28, 20155 votes

nobody expects the Demacian Inquisition.

Vistha KaiSep 28, 20154 votes

"NOBODY expects the demacian Inquisition!"

FTFY

AuroramancerSep 28, 20153 votes

I think it would be interesting to have a champion who hails from one of those two nations, but doesn't directly epitomize the nation's ideals, perhaps even contradicts them.

For example, what about corruption in Demacia's politics? It's easy to put in another Garen "JUSTICE, BE BOLD, RIGHTEOUSNESS!!!" or Jarvan "I AM ROYALTY, WE ARE THE RIGHTEOUS, BE SELFLESS FOR THE PEOPLE". What about someone who is lawful, but abuses the law to their own gain? "Justice is defined by the winners" "The law bends its knee unto me".

Or what about someone who is honorable and potentially compassionate from Noxus? The only champion like this is Riven, but even then her story is a bit loose. Someone who trains very hard for a cause, who actually personifies becoming strong for the sake of altruism? Maybe they are naive about the cruel reality of Noxus? What if they aren't all about "crushing their foes" or "deceitfulness and secrets"? (Looking at these champs... Darius Sion Leblanc Swain Katarina ) Basically, I'm just looking for a Noxian who is earnestly and honestly strong, for the sake of being strong (and not Riven).

Even though the addition of this kind of champion (for either Demacia or Noxus) wouldn't represent the majority of their respective nation, it would give us a glimpse of the other side of those coins. What is the bad side of Demacia? What is the good side of Noxus?

NeameanSep 28, 20156 votes

Honestly I think that Demacia have a lot of RPG classes as their champions so I would want to keep that up

**Warrior Garen Lancer JarvanIV Paladin Taric Rouge Vayne Fighter XinZhao Scout Quinn Mage Lux Bard Sona Guardian Galio Gunslinger Lucian Duelist Fiora Dragon Knight Shyvana **

Some are common classes and other are rarer Ex Garen common class, Lucian rarer class

I think it would be cool to keep it up having it close to RPG class but of course their class won't be their only defining feature. Also I guess everybody in this game can be classified as an RPG class but I feel Demacia do it more obviously.

Last but not least I don't know what to classify Poppy what should she be classified as fighter/knight/warrior/guardian but then we don't know how she would be like after her rework so I guess that can wait.

Where do I find my classes? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FantasyCharacterClasses

As for the class I want to see added I would say something dark like Dark Knight, Black Mage, or a Mentalist/Psychic, or Priest who isn't well pronounced as good. However that just their class their character would be someone who believe what they are doing is good but it is actually quite dark or they can also be like a strategist who do what is best for Demacia knowing what they are doing is quite dark. Someone Like Miran Froaude from Legend of legendary heroes. http://thelegendofthelegendaryheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Miran_Froaude

NeameanSep 28, 20158 votes

Actually I know what "class" Poppy is she is the Dwarven Warrior. Also Dungeon and Demacia http://i.imgur.com/I74Xe6L.jpg

darkdillSep 28, 20151 votes

I'd like to see a Dark Knight from Demacia. One who wields a cursed/evil power for good.

Before you say "Varus", Varus isn't using his dark power for good intentions. He just wants to commit Noxian genocide.

macromiteSep 28, 20154 votes

also varus is from ionia.

Stars ShaperSep 28, 20154 votes

First of all, It would be cool to have 1 Noxus and one Demacia champion released at the same time. It would give an excuse to re summoner 14 the hostilities of the 2 nations in-Lore.

About Demacia: I'd like to see a Paladin or Priest like character, that said I and others noticed that Taric is now listed as Demacian.. is it an affiliation or Spoilers on his rework? I'd like the Paladin to be not a tank nor a support but the offensive side of the Templar. Garen already embodies the "Zeal" character but he is mroe warrior-like. The Priest could be both a supp or a midlaner but even there I would focus him to be effective as a support only in massive fights (3vs3+ battles) rather than a duo laner with the rest of his kit being offensive.

About Noxus: So.. we have assassins, gladiators, a warrior, a couple of mages and a resuscitated hulkyng undead... I don't see Noxians as supports so I'd say we have a complete representation of it. We miss a Marksman though (Urgot doesn't count :P).

Electro522Sep 28, 20153 votes

Draven is a marksman from Noxus. Sure, he doesn't use..........traditional weapons such as Cait, but he is still a marksman.

MistaMacSep 28, 20151 votes

About Noxus: (...) We miss a Marksman though

Draven BLASPHEMY

but for real - Demacia lacks type of dude who would be really disliken by his action but would look bright for his nation (damn it rhymes!). Idk - maybe crossover between Uther from Warcraft (visual style) and Inquisitor from WH40k (mentality). That type who would cull the innocent village because there might be signs of corruption, but he could wield some type of light magic. And no - Garen doesn't count, he represents foolish type of justice, while I would like to see more cold and cynical approach.

Stars ShaperSep 28, 20153 votes

SHAME ON ME!! Mighty Draven forgive this unworthy Summoner.

Yeah I'd like something in the terms of WoW Retribution Paladin style.

LordGeovanniSep 29, 20151 votes

you say you dont see it in Demacia but i see it in every generalized Demacian save for Quinn, also Poppy, Taric and other people who arnt actually from Demacia

MistaMacSep 29, 20152 votes

you say you dont see it in Demacia but i see it in every generalized Demacian

There are literally no evidence for this other than speculation. Demacians will first grab the potential criminal (if possible), then interrogate, then judge then punish. They are white to this point they don't even fight actively for any resources/lands/technology. No real evidence of signs of politics corruption (outside of Noxus influence but then - black-white interaction). It's kinda sickening me.

I'm not saying this stuff above should be removed because it can be worked around while leaving the "white" part intact. That's why to balance things they NEED type of character who will make them way less white. The character what should make u question "why would I even want to live here?". Champion whom action definitely won't be the brightest (from modern moral standpoint) but would have permission to be enough autonomic from the government itself (J4 and stuff). I'm not saying it should be chaotic character (because it wouldn't fit in Demacia at all) but definitely shouldn't be good (again, by modern moral standpoint - here in Demacia he could be even a hero).

That's why I dropped idea above. Inquisitor. Cold, reserved, relentless. You know what type - "Is there even a hint of possible worship of forbidden gods in this town? burn it down." And people would be glad because corruption was purged from their nation. Garen is not so autonomic to give such drastic orders and even then he is protector of "those who cannot fight". First he would check who is really worshipping if is there really a worship.

Demacia needs a stain on their pure white shirt. That's my point.

TerraRisingSep 28, 20152 votes

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I think that these factions already being so well represented led to us exploring other locations for recent champs. But to the best of my knowledge, we aren't specifically trying to avoid Demacia or Noxus (or any other faction, for that matter).

That said, intentional or not, we HAVE ended up avoiding those factions. That's something Champion team is certainly aware of; it's just a matter of when it makes sense.

Are there specific things about Demacia or Noxus that you'd want their next champion to explore further?

I'd like to see someone from the rank and file / commoner orders who elevated themselves to "champion" status. We always hear about the "best and brightest" an area has to offer, but never about the normal people.

RiotRiot ShadowStormSep 28, 20156 votes

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I'd like to see someone from the rank and file / commoner orders who elevated themselves to "champion" status. We always hear about the "best and brightest" an area has to offer, but never about the normal people.

I've always considered Quinn to fill hit this - a commoner who worked her way into the Demacian military/elite. And actually, I think Riven is kind of similar in Noxus (though her story is more focused on after she gains some renown).

Do either of those hit the kind of thing you're looking for? Or is there more to it that I'm missing?

biomasterSep 28, 20152 votes

for me I'd more like to see an anti-thesis for each faction, so say a demacian that's pretty brutal- even my noxian standards, or a noxian that isn't really respected because he's a nice/merciful guy (But they still have to acknowledge his strength, even if they think he's a goody goody) I'd find that really interested. I think it's only natural for someone who disagree's with the faction/nations outlook would become a prominent figure, a face for the opposition if you will.

NarasimhaSep 29, 20152 votes

or a noxian that isn't really respected because he's a nice/merciful guy (But they still have to acknowledge his strength, even if they think he's a goody goody)

Not sure how that would work with a Noxian. Why wouldn't he just up and leave Noxus? Not to say that Noxus is a den of corruption and evil. But its a place where someone who looks out for others more than himself WILL end up with a knife in his back.

FillaiSep 27, 20155 votes

No non no no no Noxus isnt bad they are just conquering type of nation, and Demacians claim to be good, tolerant etc, but they're not.

BeatinWarDrumzSep 27, 20159 votes

This is what i think wants to be portrayed, but Riot isn't doing a very good job of it

NegaDKRSep 27, 201517 votes

See, this is what frustrates me whenever people talk about Demacia vs Noxus. They say they want it to be less black and white, but all they ever seem to do is paint Noxus as this big misunderstood nation full of people trying to get by, while they just demonize Demacia into a bunch of racist royals. That's as black and white as most people claim the conflict is currently, you're just changing the sides.

Starfish HSep 28, 20153 votes

I think the one that has the most confliction is Garen the poor guy. He sounds like he's trying to justify his actions and convince himself that he is not a killing spinning machine I mean hear his quotes. "What we do is RIGHT" "Accursed VILLAINS" "Our deeds will shape the future"

NegaDKRSep 28, 20157 votes

That's one of the reasons why I love him as a character so much. I mean, does he really believe what he's saying, or is he trying to convince himself that it's true? Hell, he could just be trying to motivate his teammates with a bunch of scary pep-talk, I mean, the guy is the leader of the Dauntless Vanguard last time I checked. It'd be natural for him to try to raise the moral of his men.

Now I can't get the image of Garen screaming JUST DO IT as he spins2win out of my head.

Starfish HSep 28, 20153 votes

JUST SPIN IT DONT LET DEMACIA BE NOXUS Also I'm leaning to the "I'm gonna make them be villains so when I kill them I won't feel guilty" thing about him. I mean he REALLY has to convince himself to send a giant sword crashing to a 6 year old's body and say "JUSTICE" or doing it to his sister Lux.

NegaDKRSep 28, 20151 votes

http://cdn.segmentnext.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/league-of-legends-facebook-stickers.png Are you kidding me!? Just look at those sinister smiles as they plan all sorts of vile and villainous misdeeds! They must be stopped for the good of all Runeterra!

Starfish HSep 28, 20158 votes

You must have fucked up pretty bad for a blind man to face palm.

GorgannanSep 28, 20157 votes

"I can't wait until they expand on the kayle morg lore. I want to learn more about the race kayle is eradicating."

Uh, what?

"she's commiting genocide because she thinks they're evil."

Where did you read this?

"It's a well known fact. It's in the lore somewhere. A rioter said so."

Uhhhh.....

FasmodeySep 27, 20151 votes

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This is what i think wants to be portrayed, but Riot isn't doing a very good job of it

Who did say it? If they're portaying Demacia and Noxus as black and white, as it looks like it's what they want. How can you know better than Riot Noxus and Demacia? Dont get me wrong.

BeatinWarDrumzSep 27, 20157 votes

because black and white morality is stupid

FasmodeySep 27, 20154 votes

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because black and white morality is stupid

Black is always been there in every fantasy universe meanwhile white is not. And Demacia fits to grey as you want. But Noxus is evil in general dude, accept this. Draven kills for fun, as well as Darius too, Swain is the biggest evil of Noxus. Vladimirs suck his victim's life energy for FUN. Does it sounds like a grey thing? Or LeBlanc, the biggest liar bitch of Noxus. Cassiopeia, I dont have to explain, look at her quotes. Etc...

Katarina and Talon is the only one I can say more like grey.

BeatinWarDrumzSep 27, 20157 votes

Draven EXECUTES people who are already gonna die, Darius does not kill for fun at all (why they renamed his psasive noxian might to bloodrage - he kills for noxus). Everyone says Swain is evil AF, but again, all he does is for noxus - not for himself, and not out of sadistic urges. Vlad is his own thing and is not directly affiliated with noxus (he was born there but doesnt really fight for them or represent them), Cassio is evil ill give you that one, and LeBlanc... is an enigma and we can't really determine her motivations very well from what we know

FasmodeySep 27, 20154 votes

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Draven EXECUTES people who are already gonna die, Darius does not kill for fun at all (why they renamed his psasive noxian might to bloodrage - he kills for noxus). Everyone says Swain is evil AF, but again, all he does is for noxus - not for himself, and not out of sadistic urges. Vlad is his own thing and is not directly affiliated with noxus (he was born there but doesnt really fight for them or represent them), Cassio is evil ill give you that one, and LeBlanc... is an enigma and we can't really determine her motivations very well from what we know

Vlad works for Noxus, he resurrected Sion in Swain's command. And with saying they kill for fun, they have fun while they're killing, doesn't matter doing it for Noxus. It's valid for Swain too, doesn't matter doing for what, they act as evil.

Doesn't killing for god make you evil?

LordGeovanniSep 28, 20152 votes

so protecting your country is evil now. Draven does not kill for fun he enjoys the attention that he gets when people watch him execute and Darius does what he does for Noxus and i have never seen any enjoyment in it. Vlad is loosely related to Noxus but also with another outside organization same with Le Blanc though less out side and more of a secret organization. but despite their personality quirks Draven Darius Swain and Sion perform their duties in service to their city state same with Katarina Cassiopia and Talon although firstly to the Du Couteau House Hold who has the best Interest of Noxus in mind as far as is shown

XulsigaeSep 28, 20154 votes

Isn't killing for attention akin to killing for fun? Both involve killing for enjoyment.

GorgannanSep 28, 20154 votes

It started with people playing devils advocate, and it's turned into an almost Noxus is great and Demacia is secretly evil, also Kayle is bad Morg is good.

Noxus invades, kills, pillages, and uses chemical weapons to take land.

They are evil. You can argue for the champs, but as a country, they are clearly bad.

Demacia might not be good, but Noxus is quite evil.

The SoulforgedSep 28, 20151 votes

When it comes to Demacia and Noxus, I think currently Only Noxus is portrayed as horrible considering the things they've done to ali, and a lot of other champions like Poppy. While Demacia has it's bad sides, there are a lot of good people that are mentioned in the lore, like even Jarvan was willing to accept Shyvanna. When it comes to Morg vs Kayle, it's pretty black and white. What we know is that Kayle fights for peace while Morgana fights for freedom that the others are blocking. If we look at Kayle's quotes and we look at Morgana's wings and such, we can see that Kayle's cause is one that has a lot of tolls, while we know nothing of Morgana's and what evil they do.

GorgannanSep 29, 20153 votes

It's not about how they're portrayed. It's about how the playerbase sees them. "They're for freedom! They accept you no matter what!"

I'm sorry, but if I had to choose, I'd choose Demacia. If i'm not the .0001% of the most powerful, I'll get fucked in Noxus. Yeah Demacia is all about powerful families, but those people take the bullet to do their job and protect the weak.

Also Quinn seemed to do fine as a hillbilly because she had skills. Idk why people act like Demacia is the anti-land of opportunity.

LordGeovanniOct 1, 20151 votes

chemical wepons was zaun. conquest is as natural as having countries.

GorgannanOct 1, 20152 votes

Rape and murder are too, and they commissioned the chemical weapons from Zaun. It was Noxus.