Nunu is at a 55% win rate

Sayonara Shabi·Jun 13, 2017·6 votes·1,278 views

how is that okay

25 Comments

LauchmelderJun 13, 20172 votes

I haven't seen a Nunu in ages.

What's his playrate?

Krazydigg3rJun 13, 20172 votes

Nunu is so underplayed but his mains know how to keep their baby at a 55% winrate.

FreeVolibearJun 13, 20172 votes

I never understand how people get bent out of shape when a champ has a win rate over 50%. 55% translates into 55 wins every 100 games, or even 11 wins out of 20 games. That's 45 and 9 losses each respectively. How is that such a big deal? I don't feel that percent wins within +/- 5% is a useful metric for broken, or terrible. If we use a common site to track win/loss percent across all leagues (let's use op.gg over all ranks over the last month for example), Nunu is 52.34% ranked 13 in win%. Nasus is currently at 50.00% exactly, ranked 64 in win % out of 134 champs. So there are 70 champs below 50% and 63 above 50%. After taking all the win percent, I found the median, mode, mean, and standard deviation of all win % of all champs. The median is 49.92%, the Mode 51.14%, the mean 49.61% and the deviation at +/- 2.32 percent (that's 52.32% and 47.68%). There are currently 13 champs above the standard deviation (starting with Nunu who is 0.02% above) and 21 champs below (starting with Nautilus at 0.21% below). That leaves 100 champs within the standard deviation of the mean (almost 75% of the champion pool). Even if you used the 50% bench mark, why Nunu specifically? Ryze sits at 40% (the lowest) and Anivia he highest (54.34%).

PennsJun 13, 20171 votes

Because 55% is huge. Sure its just 5% more than average but another 5% more and its 60%, which would be insanely free elo, despite having 40% loss rate.

Otherwise people shouldnt complain about Garen in high elo, he even has 46.5% win rate in diamond+

FreeVolibearJun 13, 20172 votes

Out of 100 it's a 5 win over loss difference. And saying it's huge with no reasoning behind it other than "another 5% more and its 60%" makes no sense. You could just as easily say "and another 5% more and it's 65% and 5% more..." etc... until ultimately you have 100% win rate. I can't even find where Nunu is 55% win rate. Can anyone provide a link to that stat? Is that in a specific tier and over what time frame? If the parameters change, so does the math behind them.

Addressing Garen: If those numbers are true, then that is a low win percent. But what does it mean and why exactly? Personally I think what makes Garen somewhat broken in low elo is that he is simple to use, and opponents are reckless and greedy and mechanics are often not great. In high elo, play mechanics (as I see on pro play videos) play far outside of Garen's base capabilities. I'm not high elo, so this is just my opinion.

I feel that win% far below and above the standard deviation of the mean win% is a useful metric for taking a look at a champ. I don't think it automatically assigns "broken" or "useless" by itself. Also, since the 55% is a value I can't find, I can't really tell you where Nunu really sits in those statistics. According the the stats I have found, 100 champs are withing 2.32% of the average 49.61%. Nunu is only 0.02% above that. Maybe that's enough to look at him, but I don't feel it really stands out all things considered.

PennsJun 13, 20171 votes

Its huge because what champ has ever had 55% win rate and was balanced? 5 out of 100 doesnt sound like much but it is, 55% win rate in ranked as non-smurf is also really good.

Its 55% as jungler according to http://kr.lolalytics.com/champion/Nunu/Jungle/ http://lolalytics.com/champion/Nunu/Jungle/ or https://euw.op.gg/champion/nunu/statistics/jungle . Of course if you also count Nunu top/support players its gonna be lower.

But thats not my point, my point is that 55% win rate is big af. Look at which champs even come close to that right now. Zac? Permaban. Ivern? Same. Anivia and Karthus? "Sleeper op" for a long time. Draven? Op now. And those dont even have 55%, they are between 54 and 53%, even Zac who is permabanned for a reason.

Win rates dont mean everything but most of the time they mean a lot, especially when its as high as 55%.

GaliöJun 13, 20171 votes

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Its huge because what champ has ever had 55% win rate and was balanced? 5 out of 100 doesnt sound like much but it is, 55% win rate in ranked as non-smurf is also really good.

Its 55% as jungler according to http://kr.lolalytics.com/champion/Nunu/Jungle/ http://lolalytics.com/champion/Nunu/Jungle/ or https://euw.op.gg/champion/nunu/statistics/jungle . Of course if you also count Nunu top/support players its gonna be lower.

But thats not my point, my point is that 55% win rate is big af. Look at which champs even come close to that right now. Zac? Permaban. Ivern? Same. Anivia and Karthus? "Sleeper op" for a long time. Draven? Op now. And those dont even have 55%, they are between 54 and 53%, even Zac who is permabanned for a reason.

Win rates dont mean everything but most of the time they mean a lot, especially when its as high as 55%.

Pre rework Galio had an average 54.5% Winrate. My poor baby.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 13, 20171 votes

Out of 100 games it's actually a 10 win difference, as you not only win those 5 games, getting 5 games more of lp, but you don't lose the 5 games of LP that you would have lost.

FreeVolibearJun 13, 20171 votes

Sounds like an argument for using Nunu

Sp33d Zer0Jun 13, 20171 votes

Because it is.

Meep ManJun 13, 20171 votes

That's kind of a dumb claim. "It's only 5% less from 60%, which is considered bad." Who cares about that, what about 55% itself? We'll deal with it of course if it gets to 60%, but what about 55%?

PennsJun 13, 20171 votes

Its a claim meant to show that "just 5%" means a lot. If just 5% more than average is no big deal, then what is another 5%? Cant be that bad since 55% isnt a problem.

FreeVolibearJun 13, 20171 votes

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PennsJun 13, 20171 votes

Only if you want freelo kappa

Sp33d Zer0Jun 13, 20172 votes

He's played in less than 3% of games, which means mains are playing him, or people who are very quick to hop on some strong picks.

How about instead, we look at his match ups: https://na.op.gg/champion/nunu/statistics/jungle

He is beating the three most meta junglers: Lee Sin, Elise, Graves, barely beating yi, and then going back to beating Khazix. at a total of 46.17% of his games against the top 5 most picked junglers, he is winning the match ups.

His worst matchup is Zac, who is perma banned right now.

You look at his match ups and can see he just counters the current meta.

Pierce The VealJun 13, 20171 votes

Shhhh, it'll all be okay soon.

OneTrickZilianJun 13, 20171 votes

Never win games when Nunu is in my team. For real. NEVER.

warpenguin555Jun 13, 20171 votes

Not sure how he even got that

MortekaiserJun 13, 20171 votes

how is it ok for morde to be forgotten? or a bunch of other stupid prevalent things in league?

the answer is: incompetence or gross neglect

SalronJun 13, 20171 votes

"Because he isn't Lee Sin, Zed, or Yasuo -Boards, probably

GaliöJun 13, 20171 votes

That's fine. People will still play stupid champs in the jungle anyway cause they feel like it. Even when ivern was king of the jungle and pretty much a free win he was not banned or played as much as he should have been.

Meep ManJun 13, 20171 votes

If someone's play rate is EXTREMELY low, then it's considered ok because that means most of those who play him are most likely experienced Nunu players. Especially so since Nunu is a rather simple champion to understand off the bat.

LimmieJun 13, 20171 votes

You can only look at win rates comparing them to the pick rates. In a balanced state, a higher pick rate leads to a lower winrate because a good deal of the people playing the champion are probably new to them and don't really know how to play them properly. And by the same token a low pick rate should lead to a higher winrate since the only ones playing the champion are probably the ones people high expertise on them.