So is yasuo gonna get reworked

Succubús GF··70 votes·4,098 views

We all hate him. Regardless of the elo he is just one of those champions that pisses everyone off item 3022 is still so abusable on him. Going 0/5 in lane then gets triple kill. Gets item 3046 item 3022 and can now 1v3. Like okay thanks. His kit is inherently toxic as hell. Comparing a fighter commonly associated via mid lane. Diana . Imagine if her ult had magic pen in it? Thatd be cancer. Point is, yasuo needs to see some sort of rework

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Marshbouy18 votes

"Sir we have a shitpost on the horizon-over" "give some details-over" "Complaining about yasuo, comparing radically difference champions, and making outrageous claims-over" "that's a class A shitpost, take it down soldier-over"

Succubús GF16 votes

I will wait for you to use actual facts [slayer-jinx-wink]

Marshbouy18 votes

Well, you want me to use some facts? I'll try. This isn't going to be that hard.

Gets item 3046 item 3022 and can now 1v3. Like okay thanks.

Well since he can 1v3 so easily even when behind 0/5 in lane he should have an insane winate, huge playrate, and even new players should be doing well on him. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/top 50.3% winrate, 9.25% playrate, and 115.33 average games played. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle 49.01% winrate, 7.57% playrate, 126.56 average games played. Nothing crazy there, experience players are playing him often and his winrate/playrate isn't that high.

Well maybe you don't like champion.gg? http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/top 50.31% winrate, 9.54% playrate, no statistics for average games played. http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid 48.37% winrate, 7.43% playrate, no statistics for average games played. once again, nothing crazy there.

Conclusion. Yasuo is pretty fine right now and your afforementioned assertion that he can 1v3 with only 2 items even when massively behind has no statistical backing. Ok. I used statistics.

Bultz5 votes

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Well, you want me to use some facts? I'll try. This isn't going to be that hard.

Well since he can 1v3 so easily even when behind 0/5 in lane he should have an insane winate, huge playrate, and even new players should be doing well on him. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/top 50.3% winrate, 9.25% playrate, and 115.33 average games played. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle 49.01% winrate, 7.57% playrate, 126.56 average games played. Nothing crazy there, experience players are playing him often and his winrate/playrate isn't that high.

Well maybe you don't like champion.gg? http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/top 50.31% winrate, 9.54% playrate, no statistics for average games played. http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid 48.37% winrate, 7.43% playrate, no statistics for average games played. once again, nothing crazy there.

Conclusion. Yasuo is pretty fine right now and your afforementioned assertion that he can 1v3 with only 2 items even when massively behind has no statistical backing. Ok. I used statistics.

lol he probably fed a yasuo and got rocked by him because he was behind in levels and items.

Succubús GF5 votes

Actually you can check my last annie game, i stomped him out of lane and he got fed off my team . So try again

Marshbouy8 votes

I mean, if you have some statistics to back up your argument that Yasuo is ridiculously OP and can 1v3 easily, i'll gladly read them. Even a scientific layman understands that anecdotes are worthless.

Succubús GF3 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend

Notice his ban rate??? Notice how the majority of games yasuo is banned? I am sure your simple mind can grasp this simple concept

Marshbouy8 votes

You got fairly aggressive there. Banrate means little by itself. What matters is banrate when coupled with other statistics. Just because a champion is considered "unfun" to play against, does not mean they warrant an instant rework. Zed hit a massive banrate earlier in the year (higher than 80%) but wasn't even powerful.

I was also simply refuting your statement that he could easily 1v3.

Succubús GF4 votes

You are the one claiming said arguments are worthless, not hostile? Banrate is actually quite significant. Banrate in all elos means a few things, unfun to play against, too easy to abuse and overall not balanced well. Zed hit a ban rate spike then he got nerfed so what is your point? He can easily 1v3, when was this refuted?

Marshbouy6 votes

There is a difference between saying arguments are worthless and calling someone simple minded.

Banrate is actually quite significant. Banrate in all elos means a few things, unfun to play against, too easy to abuse and overall not balanced well

That's just untrue. Banrate means one thing, and one thing only, people don't want to face them. That could be because a top laner doesn't want to deal with him. That could be because they are 50% playrate and someone doesn't want to see them in another game. That could be because they are 60% winrate and busted as fuck. That could be because they completely delete the champion you want to play from the game.

Zed hit a ban rate spike then he got nerfed so what is your point?

he retained a high banrate afterwards (something like 40%) before those bans moved on to other people.

He can easily 1v3, when was this refuted?


Well since he can 1v3 so easily even when behind 0/5 in lane he should have an insane winate, huge playrate, and even new players should be doing well on him. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/top 50.3% winrate, 9.25% playrate, and 115.33 average games played. http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle 49.01% winrate, 7.57% playrate, 126.56 average games played. Nothing crazy there, experience players are playing him often and his winrate/playrate isn't that high.

Well maybe you don't like champion.gg? http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/top 50.31% winrate, 9.54% playrate, no statistics for average games played. http://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid 48.37% winrate, 7.43% playrate, no statistics for average games played. once again, nothing crazy there.

Conclusion. Yasuo is pretty fine right now and your afforementioned assertion that he can 1v3 with only 2 items even when massively behind has no statistical backing.

Schàdenfreude2 votes

so this is what happens when people go super tryhard on the boards.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

They roast the living fuck outta op

PermabannedGaren4 votes

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You are the one claiming said arguments are worthless, not hostile? Banrate is actually quite significant. Banrate in all elos means a few things, unfun to play against, too easy to abuse and overall not balanced well. Zed hit a ban rate spike then he got nerfed so what is your point? He can easily 1v3, when was this refuted?

He doesn't need to refute an argument that didn't have any evidence backing it.

Your argument is worthless. Much like your game.

Bultz3 votes

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Actually you can check my last annie game, i stomped him out of lane and he got fed off my team . So try again

Soooooooooooo your whole he can 3v1 thing, just going to flip flop on that? either you stomp yasuo or you can't beat him because of his kit, which is it? Him being able to get kills off of people is part of the game. Team fights are part of the game. Like what do you want him to be useless so you can win? not how it works.

Succubús GF4 votes

I am saying he got ahead too easily because his kit is quite forgiving, one lucky tornado wins a teamfight, He, like most champions should not be stomped out of lane and then come back and carry. In case you didnt know, riot actually wanted to steer away from that :o

CriticalTroll6 votes

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I am saying he got ahead too easily because his kit is quite forgiving, one lucky tornado wins a teamfight, He, like most champions should not be stomped out of lane and then come back and carry. In case you didnt know, riot actually wanted to steer away from that :o

It's ironic how you talk about "lucky tornados" when you said you were playing Annie and a "lucky ult" could straight up delete the entire enemy. Also saying that he can be 0/5 and get a triple while you were playing Annie and can basically do the same thing with way less mechanical skill. The hypocrisy of some people never stops to amaze me.

Succubús GF1 votes

Given your name should i even respond? Annie doesnt have m pen in her kit btw

CriticalTroll3 votes

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Given your name should i even respond? Annie doesnt have m pen in her kit btw

Lmao yea say crap about my name cause you can't find real arguments. Why the fuck does it matter if Annie has magic pen or not lol. I swear to god i feel like you made this thread just to enter the classic circlejerk of the "yasuo hate". Fucking sad.

Bultz5 votes

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I am saying he got ahead too easily because his kit is quite forgiving, one lucky tornado wins a teamfight, He, like most champions should not be stomped out of lane and then come back and carry. In case you didnt know, riot actually wanted to steer away from that :o

One lucky tornado wins a team fight? m8 that is saying one lucky stun wins a steam fight. one lucky amumu ult wins a team fight. Like no. If you all stand close to each other for him to knock you up, that is you sucking, not him being broken. If you don't build qss to escape his ult, that is your fault. If you don't focus him first because he is squishy, that is your fault. If you don't cc him, that is your fault. He isn't broken. He out played you. Ummmmm Yasuo carrying and feeding him is on you. if you 1v1 a slayer, and think you will win, that is your fault. If you 2v1 or 3v1 and he wins, that is you being bad m8. I have 800k in yasuo and I have never 3v1ed anyone without having been fed and having had a hard time of coming back from lane. The game is much more than Yasuo is op, I can't do anything.

BIackfox7 votes

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I will wait for you to use actual facts [slayer-jinx-wink]

Fact: This is the 1000th yasuo bitching post today. Congrats

Succubús GF10 votes

Oh yey, do i get the 25$ rp card?

GULAG 4 U1 votes

No, you get the "trash qqer " tag

Ariel the Cruel13 votes

We all hate him.

However flawless this logic may be, it doesn't actually work.

Proof: Teemo

DDasani12 votes

A champ who get DOUBLE crit (practically for free) is kinda dumb. You don't need to build full crit on Yas tbh, an AD Yas would work just as well.

Succubús GF4 votes

I dont disagree

IPromiseTomorrow6 votes

The crit gets reduced by 10% and the 20% on Q I think. I don't believe the Op that a Yasuo won 1v3 by himself unless he just got lucky from his opponents

JustMonika135 votes

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A champ who get DOUBLE crit (practically for free) is kinda dumb. You don't need to build full crit on Yas tbh, an AD Yas would work just as well.

Did you learn your lesson when Frozen Force Tank Yasuo was at its prime?

Big Lincoln9 votes

the double crit is meant to force him to build the stat

for all the whining about bruiser builds, why do you want him to build exactly that? if he had no crit scaling at all he'd just replace IE with a hydra item

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Give him crit scalings like Ashe and Jhin, not 400 free gold per 10% crit bought.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Do you not understand how meleencarries are supposed to work? They need bullshit steroids so they can be faster, stronger and tankier than ranged ones because they are melee. And even with all of these advantages memes carries almost never see play in high elo compe.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Yes. Fiora has her passive for steroid and Yi has P/E/R for steroid. What they don't have? Half their steroid in sheer gold efficiency. Yasuo gets 2000g of free stats with half of his passive. (400g per 10% crit x 5 = 2000g).

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Master Yi gets free attack speed, ms, ad and a shitty sated in return, invalid argument

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Bonus AS: 750g/1375g/2000g (I assume the AS applies from his base AS like a Dagger would)

Bonus AD (assuming AD build and values of 150 AD/250 AD/350 AD): 525g/875g/1225g

Double Strike: Priceless

MS: Price-able but too complicated to calculate well.

So at minimum Master Yi gets much less gold value early when Yasuo can get 2000g worth of free stats with Shiv/Cloak, but is later outscaled in terms of free Gold. This isn't factoring how Yasuo's ult reduces the efficacy of enemy Bonus Armor by 50% just giving him a bigger Gold lead by reducing your Gold value.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Still shows that yi gets around 4K worth of stats and slow immunity, so Yasuos 2k free crit is quite pathetic compared to what yi gets.

GULAG 4 U10 votes

Being annoying is a subjective thing, so it doesn't warrant a rework.

AcidTheWarlock4 votes

Yorick Urgot

Godfreid2 votes

...Yorick literally was never played because he was HILARIOUSLY underpowered for the current meta. That's why he got the rework.

Urgot hasn't even gotten a rework recently. Invalid.

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

...Yorick literally was never played because he was HILARIOUSLY underpowered for the current meta. That's why he got the rework.

He never got played because Riot didn't want him to be viable and removed him free champion / skin sale rotation. He was basically shoved under a rug and left to rot until Riot got around to him.

Aristial9 votes

Yasuo may be annoying but i think you are kinda forgetting the fact that they are only doing reworks on older champs who were developed early on. Half their kits don't make sense in the current state of the game, that is the point of a rework. A rework isn't implemented just because a champion is considered annoying to play against. Hell Fizz can be annoying to play against but there is nothing about him, how about a trynd who just pushes after dying and still can control the lane, or a singed that proxies and doesn't give two shits if he dies because he is just going to go back and do the same shit over and over. Get over yourself and just learn to deal with this shit. BTW these are examples of shit the community tends to not like not in particular things i don't like.

NineTailedMystic4 votes

They're considering a minor rework on Azir.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

He's a control and a battle mate at the same time, what could go wrong??

Marshbouy4 votes

He's a control and a battle mate and a poke mage and a burst mage at the same time, what could go wrong??

ftfy

Project omen7 votes

So you are suggesting a champion is cancerous because he buys these two items? Why don't you complain about Trundle or Gnar when they buy mallet, because they are way more toxic with it than Yasuo. This is just another circlejerk post.

Ruin Lance6 votes

lol clearly you know nothing about yasuo. item 3022 is good on him when he's ahead or it is late game. otherwise it is a trash item since you will do no damage with just item 3046 item 3022

it's not hard to exaggerate the strength of yasuo and have people upvote you due to the nature of the majority of most people on boards lol

Immortal spax4 votes

another yasuo hate post...

RlP K0BE2 votes

I'm not sure about the "regardless of elo" part. I've only seen lower elo players complain about him. I think there is a reason why high elo players never ban him.

Succubús GF1 votes

His banrate - regardless of elo , all across the boards is about 37%, about 9th highest ban rate. Ive seen streams who ban him consistently

Spicy Rice3 votes

Wouldn't that imply that there are 8 other champs who need work done to them before yasuo?

Papa Slothy2 votes

comparing yasuo to diana makes 0 sense

Succubús GF1 votes

They are both primary fighters?

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