Why Play Karma When . . . .

Deathfall·11/20/2019, 5:06:02 PM·3 votes·836 views

Why would anyone play Karma when:

SUPPORT Bard Janna Lulu Lux Morgana Nami Pyke Rakan Senna Sona Soraka Thresh Taric Yuumi Zyra Zilean

When there are better supports who shield, heal, and do more damage than Karma. These champions also have original concepts and themes that make them interesting and enticing to play.

MID Ahri Akali Anivia Annie AurelionSol Brand Azir Cassiopeia Corki Diana EkkoFizz Heimerdinger Karthus Kassadin Katarina Kennen Leblanc Lissandra Lux Malzahar Morgana Neeko Mordekaiser Orianna Qiyana Rumble Ryze Swain Sylas Syndra Taliyah Veigar Velkoz Viktor Vladimir Xerath Zed Ziggs Zoe

When there are better midlaners who do more damage, have better outplay and are more interesting to play.

TOP Aatrox Camille Cassiopeia Chogath Darius DrMundo Galio Gangplank Garen Gnar Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Jax Jayce Kayle Kennen Kled Malphite Mordekaiser Nasus Nautilus Olaf Ornn Pantheon Quinn Renekton Riven Rumble Ryze Singed Sion TahmKench Teemo Urgot Vladimir Yasuo Yorick

When there are better toplaners that do more damage, heal more, have more outplay potential, offer more to their team, can carry better, and are more interesting to play.

OTHER CHAMPIONS Sivir Sona Lulu Morgana Nami Rakan Janna Leblanc LeeSin Senna

When there are champions who provide better shielding, movement speed enhancers, tethers, and shields better than Karma.

ITEMS item 3190 item 2065

When there are item actives that do what Karma does and in some cases better. This means that essentially every champion can do what Karma does now . . . . so why play her then?


Sorry if I'm a little off with the champions but the point of this thread is to talk about the complete disconnect between Karma and other champions. There really is no incentive or reason to play Karma when there are champions who do her job better and have more interesting ways to do it. We are coming up to 2020 in a few weeks and Meddler, Scruffy, and Reav3s refuse to work on this champion. I'm not even going to talk about the art direction. On a gameplay level Karma has MAJOR problems and the fact that there hasn't been any work done on her for 7 years, is ridiculous. Riot is REFUSING to do work on Karma because they don't want to further upset the 3 Karma communities they created . . . . which is their fault.

Gameplay issues that need to be addressed:

  • Karma needs a direction and she needs to stick to that direction. Whether that is a mage, support, or toplaner . . . . Karma needs to be one or the other . . . or a mixture of two . . . . but not three.
  • Karma needs a cohesive kit. Right now she has Mantra that are all over the place and don't really work together or play off of a gameplay identity.
  • Karma needs original concepts and things to do that will separate her from other supports, midlaners and toplaners. What is the point in playing a champion whose kit exists so much throughout the game and other champions/items do it better? There isn't.

Riot needs to stop with the excuses and self pity. Great, you made a mistake and you are sorry about it. Fix the mistakes, address the problems and disconnect for Karma you created, and make Karma better again. There have been way too many excuses and it's been 7 years coming up since the VGU. You can and should be doing better by 2020 and it doesn't seem like you don't want to do that with her.

10 Comments

wolf jade11/20/2019, 5:12:46 PM5 votes

"and are more interesting" TO YOU did you think not EVERYBODY like what you like ? i know insane concept

evilsforreals11/20/2019, 5:23:57 PM4 votes

I mean you kinda answered your own question by outlining all of the different categories she falls into. Karma can be whatever her team needs her to be in a given situation. She has the rune/item/skill order flexibility to fill in the gaps that a team may lack.

Yes, you could play different supports/mids/tops. But the majority of those picks cements your role, whereas Karma is able to change depending on the game itself. If you have a hypercarry, she can go the Ardent/Athene/Locket/Mikael's to empower them for late game teamfights.

Does your team need more of a bruiser/frontline? Karma can pick up IG/Spirit Visage and focus on using RW to peel/keep herself topped up to absorb more damage in teamfights.

Has Karma gotten a good lead? Let her go more damage oriented with Liandry/Luden's for more potent poke. Is she behind? Archangel/Zhonya's/Banshees gives her more survivability.

I agree with you that Karma could use an overhaul, I'm just saying that a big reason she's picked over others is her versatility. Yeah, a lot of characters can do a lot more in the same role, but they can't swap between roles on a dime like Karma.

Summoner SpeII11/20/2019, 5:15:14 PM3 votes

abused in every lane in pro play. don't blame riot, blame pro play for abusing a champion to that extent

Aätrox11/20/2019, 5:55:22 PM1 votes

Aatrox can't carry [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

OniZetsu66611/25/2019, 3:22:05 AM1 votes

I mean...I like Karma.