I just wanna point out that Jax's W is an AA reset that deals 40 damage

FalconPawwwwnch·Mar 25, 2017·7 votes·1,122 views

While Fiora's is an AA reset that gives her bonus AS, a guaranteed crit, and a movespeed slow

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Balderdash1000Mar 25, 20178 votes

So, what you're saying is that different champions are different? wow. Mind = blown

LongHair FoxMar 25, 20177 votes

You cant really compare single skills.... compare kits.

SlythionMar 25, 20171 votes

AhristocatsMar 25, 20173 votes

you really want to compare jax's kit to fiora's kit?

because hands down, eyes closed i can guess which one is x10000 superior utility wise, hard carry wise, mobility wise, early game wise

LongHair FoxMar 25, 20173 votes

While jax is likely too weak atm he is not just a worse fiora. However no one is going to be convinced that j4 is too weak since "his q is just is just a weaker version of lux r". Just trying to help him maker a better argument since right now all he does is flail around aimlessly and spam the boards uselessly.

ParoeMar 25, 20172 votes

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While jax is likely too weak atm he is not just a worse fiora. However no one is going to be convinced that j4 is too weak since "his q is just is just a weaker version of lux r". Just trying to help him maker a better argument since right now all he does is flail around aimlessly and spam the boards uselessly.

Well

Think about what jax and fiora actually DO; they fulfill the same role; duelist, splitpush, AoE utility. they go about it much differently of course, but its undeniable that fiora simply out classes jax in most situations. Her parry is by far one of the most ridiculously overloaded abilities in the game, and does a MUCH better job than jax's dodge/stun.

LongHair FoxMar 25, 20171 votes

Gonna argue that fiora w is not overloaded for how easy it is to counterplay. That said my comment was never meant to say that jax is better than fiora.

Irelia BotMar 25, 20173 votes

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You cant really compare single skills.... compare kits.

This is not really helping the jax is fine argument.

LongHair FoxMar 25, 20171 votes

I am not really trying to help any argument. Just helping to make people make proper arguments. If you wanna compare two champions and say they are similar but one is better, argue why that one is better, why they are similar and what you think should be done.

FalconPawwwwnchMar 25, 20171 votes

Q: Fiora's applies on hits, has a much lower CD, and doesn't need a target so she can use it over walls without a ward

Defensive skill: Fiora's evades all damage and CC, Jax's only dodges autoattacks

On hit steroid: Jax's deals 40 damage, see OP for fiora's

LongHair FoxMar 25, 20175 votes

jax gets free mr and armor, his dodge lasts a lot longer and the stun from it is easier to land. He also has more burst against squishies in the lategame if they are using bruiser builds. Is jax too weak? maybe... but at least now your argument holds more water than "j4 is weak because his q is just a shorter lux r"

awdafMar 25, 20171 votes

Jax is vanilla, hi'll get a rework soon.

llIllIllIllIllMar 25, 20171 votes

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Jax is vanilla, hi'll get a rework soon.

Jax has already been reworked - go look up old Jax, you used to stack dodge and spam E

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PermabannedGarenMar 25, 20171 votes

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While Fiora's is an AA reset that gives her bonus AS, a guaranteed crit, and a movespeed slow

Jax won't get the buffs you want until he's reworked my friend.

BananaSlayerAMOMar 25, 20171 votes

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Spicy RiceMar 25, 20171 votes

are we talking about the same champ?

BananaSlayerAMOMar 25, 20171 votes

While I agree that Fiora is strong, we should take into account that her E takes two hits, has a longer cd and costs more mana (i.e. it's not as spammable as Jax's W).

MXXXXXLMar 25, 20171 votes

And they're both balanced while having the fact that they have AA resets in mind.

ParoeMar 25, 20171 votes

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And they're both balanced while having the fact that they have AA resets in mind.

... Fiora is hardly balanced. Shes just fallen out of meta.

MXXXXXLMar 25, 20171 votes

I wasn't really trying to call her balanced, i'm bronze so i don't say shit about balance because i'm bad, but what i meant was that she having a stronger AA reset then Jax takes out a bigger portion of her power budget then Jax's does, that remaining power budget can then be used elsewhere.

His DinoboyMar 25, 20171 votes

Ive seen alot of comments saying jax is "weak". no clarification for why. Can anyone tell me why jax is weak, besides the fact that fioras w is better?