Cause of course a champion like 
that doing decent so far in meta need more buffs while champion like 
still garbage level without any true fix or buffs to him.
Remind me why you nerfed him to ground ? Right cause no one in low elo able to handle his split pushing, yet 
still not touched while he doing the same thing.
FireWolfYT11 votesThe power creep on Fiora is becoming more and more oppressive. Now she's about to receive DD for all her true damage and another buff coming up in PBE. Riot seriously needs to stop balancing out of low elo.
ValiantKiller6 votesThe power creep on Fiora is becoming more and more oppressive. Now she's about to receive DD for all her true damage and another buff coming up in PBE. Riot seriously needs to stop balancing out of low elo.
Don't worry, i already saw the dumb design of fiora packing up slowly last few days special with her graps of undying + true damage getting tanky and buffy while melt you down. It will get worst till she destroy everyone.
Weiner the Pooh1 votesShes gotten a fe light buffs because her kit struggles in the current game state. With games ending between 20-25 minutes Fiora simply doesn't have the time to scale. So she either remains irrelevant or gets a few QOL fixes. She hasn't gotten one game breaking buff. Just small buffs making it easier for her to exist in games.
saltran1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Ritarded,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-12-05T00:42:12.982+0000)
Shes gotten a fe light buffs because her kit struggles in the current game state. With games ending between 20-25 minutes Fiora simply doesn't have the time to scale. So she either remains irrelevant or gets a few QOL fixes. She hasn't gotten one game breaking buff. Just small buffs making it easier for her to exist in games.
Hey my Caitlyn doesn't scale aswell on this fast meta, where are her buffs?
Weiner the Pooh1 votesbecause historically caitlyn is a gatekeeper character. Not only that shes ranged and can team fight at 1.5-2 items. Not only can Fiora not team fight well, she doesn't get to the part where she starts becoming impactful. Caitlyn builds standard adc items and can exist if she has peel in a team fight.
saltran1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Ritarded,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-05T04:42:43.379+0000)
because historically caitlyn is a gatekeeper character. Not only that shes ranged and can team fight at 1.5-2 items. Not only can Fiora not team fight well, she doesn't get to the part where she starts becoming impactful. Caitlyn builds standard adc items and can exist if she has peel in a team fight.
I was just making fun of how most adcs struggle cuz of the fast meta and somehow that's a reason to buff Flora.
Once it slow dowsn she will need to be nerfed by this rate.
Thefrostyviking1 votesRiot wrote that they think the item changes they are planning are going to benefit Cait a lot so the decided to hold off on buffing her directly and see how the items and she work out.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesShe has already been broken and literally wins every lane. Oh but she is "ThE DuElIsT" so its okay if she runs you down and becomes useless afterwards. What a great champ design.
Just nerf her until you can rework her to be useless outside of 1v1s or even better give old fiora back atleast she was fun to play.
boricCentaur13 votesGood let be left alone so he can be reworked again.
EbonyBladeJ888 votesGood let
With all due respect, I actually find the new Yorick MUCH more enjoyable than the old, and this comes from a person who played the old Yorick quite a bit.
ValiantKiller5 votesWith all due respect, I actually find the new Yorick MUCH more enjoyable than the old, and this comes from a person who played the old Yorick quite a bit.
^
EbonyBladeJ881 votes^
Well, despite the downvoting, at least I've found another brother (or sister, if you're a lady) in the Shovel Order.
Give 'em their last rites, my brother.
ValiantKiller1 votesWell, despite the downvoting, at least I've found another brother (or sister, if you're a lady) in the Shovel Order.
Give 'em their last rites, my brother.
His kit is so fine and clean it just need refine to make it better, it much better than his old one
boricCentaur11 votesWith all due respect, I actually find the new Yorick MUCH more enjoyable than the old, and this comes from a person who played the old Yorick quite a bit.
I will agree he is a lot more fun then the old one but my problem is the old one felt more unique and was a summoner the new is just a q and r bot so I would rather have riot buff champions like fiora that have more interesting kits and have champions like yorick be rework at a later date.
SwiftKitten883 votessince when in a 52-50% winrate champion on 98% of the playerbase "garbage tier".
wtf are u smoking.
and no i dont think needs buffs either, but.. ?
unless your in diamond + he is not only "viable" but actually STRONG.
your whole "premise" that he is "weak" is ignoring 98% of the data that shows he isn't
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/platinum
stop being some "elitist jerk" does diamond+ matter? yes it does...
but it doesn't matter MORE than 98% of the playerbase
if a champion is going to be balanced it has to be balanced within a range where it is useable for the most people
you cant have a champion balance in bronze and have it being 42% for people in high elo.. just like u cant have it be balance in high elo and have it be at a 56% winrate in low elo... u need to split the difference.. and the larger the winrate differential between elos the more difference there is going to be..
right now is balanced for 98% of the players... for every player plat and below yorik is a strong pick.. and in diamond + he could probably use buffs yeah.. but those same buffs would break him for the other 98%... so u cant do that.
just like you cant make a champions have a 46-47% winrate in every elo just to keep their "high elo" winrate at 50%
what you would do is you would make it so the high elo plat + winrate goes from say 50% to 52-53%
and the low elo ranges (bronze - gold) from 49-51%..
what you are asking for is to bring yorik into a 50% winrate in diamond + when by doing that would completely break him for the other 98% of players.
and doing so is just you being a selfish person who wants a champion u play buffed. rather that thinking of whats good for the game and the actual balance of said champion.
i have wanted nidalee buffed for years... but may or may not have noticed that after she hit 48% winrate in my elo... i STOPPED asking for buffs... because i KNEW thats she had a 52% winrate in hgher elo... and that nidalee has a large winrate differential... so any buffs that would help me.. would break her higher up...
did i still want the buffs? yeah.. but i knew that GIVING them to her at that point would have been a mistake being doing so would break her in a differen't elo. even if they would improve her in mine.
now that nidalee is below 50% in every elo.. i feel perfectly fine about asking for buffs to her again... because NOW a flat 2% winrate.. even if added in every elo.. isnt going to break her anywhere..
you on the other hand, are IGNORING this; and are asking for a buff to a champion that if done would 100% break them for well over 90% of players.
and YOU dont care. you only want this buff your YOURSELF and don't care how it would affect others and that is why i disrespect your opinion.
because you only care about YOURSELF and not about how that change will affect others.
ValiantKiller1 votessince when in a 52-50% winrate champion on 98% of the playerbase "garbage tier".
wtf are u smoking.
and no i dont think
unless your in diamond + he is not only "viable" but actually STRONG.
your whole "premise" that he is "weak" is ignoring 98% of the data that shows he isn't
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/yorick/platinum
some being some "elitist jerk" does diamond+ matter? yes it does...
but it donest matter MORE than 98% of the playerbase
if a champion is going to be balanced it has to be balanced within a range where it is useable for the most people
you cant have a champion balance in bronze and have it being 42% for people in high elo.. just like u cant have it be balance in high elo and have it be at a 56% winrate in low elo... u need to split the difference.. and the larger the winrate differential between elos the more difference there is going to be..
right now
just like you cant make a champions have a 46-47% winrate in every elo just to keep thier "high elo" winrate at 50%
what you would do is you would make it so the high elo plat + winrate goes from say 50% to 52-53%
and the low elo ranges (bronze - gold) from 49-51%..
what you are asking for is to bring yorik into a 50% winrate in diamond + when by doing that would completely break him for the other 98% of players.
and doing so is just you being a selfish person who wants a champion u play buffed. rather that thinking of whats good for the game and the actaul balance of said champion.
i have wanted nidalee buffed for years... but may or may not have noticedd that after she hit 48% winrate in my elo... i STOPPED asking for buffs... becuase i KNEW thats she had a 52% winrate in hgher elo... and that nidalee has a large winrate differential... so any buffs that would help me.. would break her higher up...
did i still want the buffs? yeah.. but i knew that GIVING them to her at that point would have been a mistake being doing so would break her in a differen't elo. even if they would improve her in mine.
now that nidalee is below 50% in every elo.. i feel perfectly ine about asking for buffs to her again... becuase NOW a flat 2% winrate.. in every elo.. isnt going to break here anywhere..
you on the other hand, are IGNORING this; and are asking for a buff to a champion that if done would 100% break them for well over 90% of players.
and YOU dont care. and that is why i disrespect your opinion.
because you only care about YOURSELF and not about how that change will affect others.
Ofcourse you going with that high winrate the type of person who would say both of 
and 
are good champions cause they have winrate.
They have high win rate cause their mains play them which is like 0.5% or less, you want to know what is broken and above what is broken ?
right a champion like 
who got over 35% pick rate to his 53% winrate, now that a number to talk about.
And btw i clearly said i want a buff to him or a fix, i didn't say i want buff and only buff.
Thefrostyviking1 votesLucian isnt OP as much as he is basically one of the only actually good picks botlane.
Goes for MF, Jhin and Ez too.
Which is why pretty much every single marksman except them, Kalista and Cait are getting direct buffs as well as some manner of lifesteal/crit/something item buffs apparently.
Kalista is apparently getting abandoned entirely as Riot feels they wasted too much time on her, goes for Azir and Ryze too.
ValiantKiller1 votesLucian isnt OP as much as he is basically one of the only actually good picks botlane.
Goes for MF, Jhin and Ez too.
Which is why pretty much every single marksman except them, Kalista and Cait are getting direct buffs as well as some manner of lifesteal/crit/something item buffs apparently.
Kalista is apparently getting abandoned entirely as Riot feels they wasted too much time on her, goes for Azir and Ryze too.
Soon they will do the same to volibear, wukong and yorick .
Thefrostyviking1 votesVolibear and wukong will probably get reworks first before anything is decisively said about them like that but Yorick,.,,,,,might actually be facing that risk in the future if they cant find some good spot for him.
ValiantKiller1 votesVolibear and wukong will probably get reworks first before anything is decisively said about them like that but Yorick,.,,,,,might actually be facing that risk in the future if they cant find some good spot for him.
True
SwiftKitten881 votesOfcourse you going with that high winrate the type of person who would say both of
right a champion like
And btw i clearly said i want a buff to him or a fix, i didn't say i want buff and only buff.
i mean sure if riot could find a way to buff him in diamond to 49-50% and not raise his other elo's by more than 0.5% then sure.
but this is Riot we're talking about.. if they were to make a balance change do you HONESTLY trust them to pull something that precise off.
because i sure as hell wouldn't trust them to do that...
riot balances with a meat cleaver.. they either dont fix it at all, pretend to fix it with a placebo nerf or they absolutely ruin it.
you are asking for a precision fix, which is something that is nearly unheard of in riot's because their refusal to actually PLAY the game they are balancing.
whenever u ask riot for a change u need to consider that they have a 90% chance of completely fucking that change u requested up
and if their isn't a large margin for error asking riot to change it probably isn't the best idea
if they had a COMPETENT balance team this wouldn't be an issue, but again this is riot. they have about the least competent balance team of any game i have ever played in my life.
CHEWYARMS1 votesLol that link has yorick at a 46.7% WR in top lane in plat. So I'd say it's safe he needs buffs.
Having a champion that soley focuses on taking objectives with a high winrate in bronze means nothing. You can gut his numbers (AGAIN) and it wouldn't change his WR in low elo. That's basically what riot did last time and all they managed to do was make high elo yorick trash.
As long as his kit remains the same he will always crush bronze. And that's not a bad thing in my opinion and I don't know why riot tries to change that. Objectives win games not kills. Don't like losing games when you run around 12/15 looking for more kills while the 0/8 yorick runs it down top? Get better then and learn to play properly.
SwiftKitten881 votesLol that link has yorick at a 46.7% WR in top lane in plat. So I'd say it's safe he needs buffs.
Having a champion that soley focuses on taking objectives with a high winrate in bronze means nothing. You can gut his numbers (AGAIN) and it wouldn't change his WR in low elo. That's basically what riot did last time and all they managed to do was make high elo yorick trash.
As long as his kit remains the same he will always crush bronze. And that's not a bad thing in my opinion and I don't know why riot tries to change that. Objectives win games not kills. Don't like losing games when you run around 12/15 looking for more kills while the 0/8 yorick runs it down top? Get better then and learn to play properly.
thats becuase thier recoding the site. and bronze now link to iron, silver to bronze, and so on and so forth.
those "plat stats" as of this post are actually the diamond that's that were there went i made the link.
i we need to wait for them to finish the re code of the site with the new tiers and divisions of iron to challenger
Tahminatrix 2 votesFr, atleast do something to make his skillshots more rewarding, riot can literally just buff his minions to not die in one hit (unless they are far away from him, towers still oneshot.) and his e would immediately have more meaning other than just a slow to run away with.
ValiantKiller2 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-04T23:30:16.167+0000)
Fr, atleast do something to make his skillshots more rewarding, riot can literally just buff his minions to not die in one hit (unless they are far away from him, towers still oneshot.) and his e would immediately have more meaning other than just a slow to run away with.
Sure that would be amazing but they busy buffing champions that doing decent over him
saltran2 votesHey aswell they buffed 
because he wasnt strong enough on Top/Mid/Bot at the same time
ValiantKiller2 votesHey aswell they buffed
That remind me of another split push that people in low elo can't handle and he getting buffed.
Thefrostyviking1 votesDidnt they mainly bugfix him=?
Bugfixes SHOULD be priority.
And no i cant think off any legit reason why Mordekaiser doesnt get any x)
saltran1 votesDidnt they mainly bugfix him=?
Bugfixes SHOULD be priority.
And no i cant think off any legit reason why Mordekaiser doesnt get any x)
What you say it's not true at all, since his W was straight up buffed, but yeah they also "fixed" some bugs that said by Heimer mains on their sub caused even more bugs.
UPGRADE!!!'d W - Hextech Rocket Swarm MAX DAMAGE 499/687/862 (+1.83 ability power) ⇒ 503/697.5/892 (+1.83 ability power) MISSILE 1 DAMAGE 135/180/225 (+0.45 ability power) (unchanged) MISSILE 2,3,4,5 DAMAGE 28/39/49 (+0.12 ability power) ⇒ 32/45/58 (+0.12 ability power) MISSILE 6-20 DAMAGE 16.8/23.4/29.4 (+0.06 ability power) ⇒ 16/22.5/29 (+0.06 ability power)
Thefrostyviking1 votesOh, the only thing i knew about was that apparently his turrets didnt benefit from CDR when they should have, this bugfix is in essence a straight up buff but the rest i wasnt aware off^^
As for bugfixes causing more bugs......Spagetti code classic.
Hayaishi22 votesClassic Riot with their favoritism.
Weiner the Pooh3 votesHow is it favortism? Its not like there is a clause saying that in order for Fiora to get a tiny buff, Yorick must also be buffed. Can no character get touched if Yorick doesn't? Yoricks not even in a bad spot atm. This guy is just crying. Then he'll say winrate doesn't matter because only the mains play him. Should Sol get some buffs because only his mains play him?
Hayaishi21 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Ritarded,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-12-05T04:47:42.438+0000)
How is it favortism? Its not like there is a clause saying that in order for Fiora to get a tiny buff, Yorick must also be buffed. Can no character get touched if Yorick doesn't? Yoricks not even in a bad spot atm. This guy is just crying. Then he'll say winrate doesn't matter because only the mains play him. Should Sol get some buffs because only his mains play him?
Because characters in a bad spot should be priority. Yorick is not the sole character who might suck atm.
ValiantKiller2 votesBecause characters in a bad spot should be priority. Yorick is not the sole character who might suck atm.
And that isy point, fiora is in a better spot than alot of champions but they rather buffing her over fixing other champions
Weiner the Pooh2 votesShes been struggling for like 6 patches in a row. She is one of those, and its not even a large buff. Its something the small the balance team could easily come to a decision on. her getting this is not taking away from other champions. They likely just don't know how to go about helping, not that they don't care.
MorgManBasher1 votes is pretty garbage himself, please don't mention his name the last thing that poor champ needs is more nerfs, those e cooldown nerfs hit the poor guy hard.
But yeah, Yorrick is like the bottom of the barrel, champ sucks BIG TIME. Probably one of the worst champs in the game.
Mokuto Bunshi1 votesInjustice.
ValiantKiller3 votes[{quoted}](name=Mokuto Bunshi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-05T14:27:41.025+0000)
Injustice.
Garen get justice , yorick get graveyard
Arammus1 votesreally you think riot gives a fuck about yorick? i remember that post on reddit from 2 years ago saying yorick is the champ with the longest record of not having a skin. then because this made frontpage riot made a yorick skin and havent touched him since.
he got sejuani'd. deal with it this is just riot.
ValiantKiller1 votesreally you think riot gives a fuck about yorick? i remember that post on reddit from 2 years ago saying yorick is the champ with the longest record of not having a skin. then because this made frontpage riot made a yorick skin and havent touched him since.
he got sejuani'd. deal with it this is just riot.
I'm dealing with
DoktorKaiser1 votesIf you ask me Fiora is already one of the most overloaded gamebreaking cancers that exists in this game, she has no weak phase unless she gets utterly camped early game , she can't be built against and she auto wins against almost all melee champs , tanks especially. One of the worst reworks in history of league that actually was a turning point after which the game has downgraded to the piece of shit it is today. Thanks Fiora !!!
ValiantKiller1 votesIf you ask me Fiora is already one of the most overloaded gamebreaking cancers that exists in this game, she has no weak phase unless she gets utterly camped early game , she can't be built against and she auto wins against almost all melee champs , tanks especially. One of the worst reworks in history of league that actually was a turning point after which the game has downgraded to the piece of shit it is today. Thanks Fiora !!!
I mean she destroy ranged champions too, she is amazing at winning lane and taking over game while scaling madly cause true damage and can get tanky at same time.
DragonShea1 votesWell, Yorick needs his Q healing to be based on his Max HP and if his ghouls are so oppressive in the top lane then increase his solo damage to balance it out.
ValiantKiller1 votesWell, Yorick needs his Q healing to be based on his Max HP and if his ghouls are so oppressive in the top lane then increase his solo damage to balance it out.
That is the problem he worthless without his r and ghouls yet they nerfed ghouls to ground while it easy to kill them with any aa
DragonShea1 votesThat is the problem he worthless without his r and ghouls yet they nerfed ghouls to ground while it easy to kill them with any aa
And I've said, let Yorick be less tied to his Ghouls and have some more solo power or the means to summon them on hand. Having an unreliable passive be a big part of your kit is a bad design. Illaoi still has a lot of power with no tentacles around and she constantly spawns them.
ValiantKiller1 votesAnd I've said, let Yorick be less tied to his Ghouls and have some more solo power or the means to summon them on hand. Having an unreliable passive be a big part of your kit is a bad design. Illaoi still has a lot of power with no tentacles around and she constantly spawns them.
I mean illaoi in worst case can use her R which shorter CDR yorick R to active her passive plus she can atleast sustain in lane if needed add to that the fact that her R doesn't go on death mission in lane.
DragonShea1 votesI mean illaoi in worst case can use her R which shorter CDR yorick R to active her passive plus she can atleast sustain in lane if needed add to that the fact that her R doesn't go on death mission in lane.
Yeah, Yorick needs more QoL buffs. His maiden needs to be a controllable minion that will either go down the lane or come to Yorick if he needs her.
ValiantKiller1 votesYeah, Yorick needs more QoL buffs. His maiden needs to be a controllable minion that will either go down the lane or come to Yorick if he needs her.
Agree
Critmaster Garen1 votesRemind me why you nerfed him to ground ? Right cause no one in low elo able to handle his split pushing
i think its even worse than that. i think they nerfed him because the bottom level players dont auto attack the ghouls to kill them.
i wouldnt be surprised if they just get hit by his e and then try to run to their turret while losing most of their health to the ghouls on the way, instead of just attack moving backwards.
IF they even react to a ghoul aggroing on them in a minion wave.
you have to remember that youre dealing with people here who dont even cs. they just nonstop shove lane. they have no concept of wave management or gold and xp leads. were talking about people who will literally die to their lane opponent, then walk back into lane, and immediately start another fight, die to them again and repeat this until they lose their turret and its time for aram.
there are videos on youtube that showcase how silver and bronze games are played. it makes the fact that riot is even catering to these players with nerfs pretty depressing.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4fP7wWje,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-12-06T13:10:24.248+0000)
i think its even worse than that. i think they nerfed him because the bottom level players dont auto attack the ghouls to kill them.
i wouldnt be surprised if they just get hit by his e and then try to run to their turret while losing most of their health to the ghouls on the way, instead of just attack moving backwards.
IF they even react to a ghoul aggroing on them in a minion wave.
you have to remember that youre dealing with people here who dont even cs. they just nonstop shove lane. they have no concept of wave management or gold and xp leads. were talking about people who will literally die to their lane opponent, then walk back into lane, and immediately start another fight, die to them again and repeat this until they lose their turret and its time for aram.
there are videos on youtube that showcase how silver and bronze games are played. it makes the fact that riot is even catering to these players with nerfs pretty depressing.
I mean i saw that with my eyes, people in high gold and low plat still ignore his ghouls then say he is busted champion. And yes most of people that say that are daruis mains who play aggressive thinking it easy to focus yorick over his ghouls