Then blows their whole combo on them, lands literally fucking everything... and then dies. Meanwhile the squishy they were attacking is almost full health, and walks away as if nothing happened.
But trust me, lifesteal is totally healthy, ADCs are fucking pathetic, and Riot gives a fuck beyond money.
Azureee3 votesadcs should have delays on there right clicks for a week to feel how assassins do imo :^))
Evil Yasuo1 votesamen
Niyumi2 votesOr we could make autos like Graves, and have them blocked by things. But then ADCs would cry because they aren't literal free wins anymore.
Evil Yasuo2 votesI have an idea to solve this!!! Lets slow down the burst of adc's to open up windows to counter the assassin!! Like plenty of room to activate zhonyas, or to cc them, etc.
Stars Shaper2 votes
Niyumi2 votes800/s / 2 = 400/s. Still goinna outheal everything but a literal one shot.
And why are you showing Morello? It requires you to be below 30% health, which an ADC never is.
Stars Shaper1 votesThe situation you presented is exactly what i think is wrong: self sustain being so spread around that burst damage now has to oneshot in order to accomplish anything, but oneshots are "bad design" because there is small to no counterplay unless some gimmick is involved.
AP Assassin burst can be timed so it reaches that threshold but overall I agree with you and this happens also on sustain fighters/tanks to the point where I'd build Executioner's even on APs.
Niyumi1 votesExactly. That's why I find it really funny whenever someone tries to tell me EC or Morello makes lifesteal irrelevant.
Honestly, lifesteal just needs to go like spellvamp did. Maybe leave DD, but take away auto healing.
Stars Shaper1 votesThey do help though, but you have to couple it with either some stun/knockup or winning by range in order to give them less chances to retailate.
The self heal become a problem once ppl are at full build, at that point it's a team effort and without both of those items it's a loss.
The Leo Cat2 votes
If you hadn't noticed a trend... These items either do insane burst that gives them no time to react. Or lowers their attack speed. Or makes it harder for them to heal themselves. Harder to run away. Lowers their potential damage output. Or gives you some means of survivability.
I get that some people may follow mobafire... but there's a reason why some of these other items exist.
Niyumi2 votesHmm... Well, it's too bad ADCs attack so fucking fast that GW is basically ineffective and still kill you faster than you kill them no matter how many fancy items you build.
And armor? Ha! Good joke! You know how many items / masteries / runes we have to make armor a non issue?
And uh, if you stack armor on an assassin, you're not goinna do any damage whatsoever, and then become useless since that's all assassins do.
The Leo Cat2 votesYou know you can stop whining, and just solve the problem yourself.
You don't need to stack items. A small amount of resistance goes a long way for you. Especially when an item gives you a passive that is infinitely helpful for what you are trying to do. It's generally beneficial for you to sacrifice some small amount of damage, if it means you can stay alive longer. Because then, you'll be pushing out MORE damage. Why the hell do you think some ADCs are just so hard to kill? Those items like ninja tabis, cloth shirts, guardian angel, blade of the ruined king,
Also where are you getting 800 in your math? No amount of life steal will even get you that much. The healing is calculated from damage after reduction. While life steal is stacked additively, ADs have only three items that they can fully abuse, and their prices are in the upper 3000s with each one of them being a situational pick. If you did get all three of them, you're getting 42% life steal, but very low damage. If you're lucky enough to crit you can probably expect to see... maybe 100-125 out of it?
Disulfiram1 votesYou see, I think the problem is due to the different balancing needs of the different elos... if you balance the game for low elo, where nobody even tries to protect the adc, then in higher elos those same adcs become unkillable with just a little bit of peeling. The opposite also applies: if you balance the game around pro play, then that adc who is balanced when being peeled for becomes trash whenever he is ignored by his team.
Niyumi1 votesI'd rather have the second version, so that you're forced to actually do well in order to win.
LethalTempo Jhin1 votesAnd you just proved you have no idea how ADC works.
Well done.
Penns1 votesLifesteal would b fine if they didnt spike so hard with Shiv plus IE and kill assassins in like 2 - 3 crits lul
Niyumi1 votesLifesteal would be fine if it had hard caps on both value and amount you can stack. Critting and healing for 700 health is just absurd.
MrHaZeYo1 votesNo one is ever happy.