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Dear Junglers, I'd like to apologize on behalf of Riot Games

HateDaddy··116 votes·6,091 views

For Nidalee

You see, for some reason, Riot is obsessed with making sure Nidalee is always top tier in some facet. See, at first she was played as a bruiser in top lane making us top lane mains saltier than an ocean beach on high tide. But then people realized AP Nidalee was even more cancer and took her mid lane. It took the better half of two years for Riot to finally kill this playstyle and relieve the mid lane mains of this cancer. But then, after a trip to the oncologist, it was revealed us top lane mains contracted the cancer panther once again after a rework. Ah, the memories of chemo and having been hit by a spear or step on a trap and watch our screen suddenly go grey. But then with much rigor and determination, we survived bruiser cancer Panther once again.

After riot nerfed this abomination, they felt their creation was a little too special to just "go away." So they decided the jungle needed it's fair share of cancer, as if battling the Lee Sin terminal fate for 3 years wasn't bad enough. And now she's in your jungle, cancering you up and making you rage at every turn and fellas, I'm right there with you. I'm tired of Nidalee being shoved down our throats but it seems Riot thinks we must eat our cake and then die to Nidalee for having the audacity to want to clear, gank or otherwise enjoy the game. And I am truly sorry for this as I feel your pain and if there's anything I can do to help comfort you through these trying times, let me know.

Your friend, your ally, your mate

-Top Lane main

Ward that bush though, would ya?

137 Comments

Morgy Morgy41 votes

fuck nidalee man nidalee is the only champion besides ryze that riot ALWAYS wants viable. no nerfs to them ever. atleast, no nerfs significant enough to make them unviable. fuck nidalee sick of this shit stop being pussies and nerf the bitch

Abyssphere9 votes

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fuck nidalee man nidalee is the only champion besides ryze that riot ALWAYS wants viable. no nerfs to them ever. atleast, no nerfs significant enough to make them unviable. fuck nidalee sick of this shit stop being pussies and nerf the bitch

There was quite a decent length of time prior to the creation of Jungle Nidalee that she wasn't in the spotlight. She wasn't unusable but she wasn't at the top tables either. Nidalee isn't always in the meta.

Sir Yamazuki15 votes

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There was quite a decent length of time prior to the creation of Jungle Nidalee that she wasn't in the spotlight. She wasn't unusable but she wasn't at the top tables either. Nidalee isn't always in the meta.

You mean for like a month? Where she then got a buff because of it...? She's always strong somewhere, if she isn't for a brief period, Riot ensures she is.

Abyssphere13 votes

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You mean for like a month? Where she then got a buff because of it...? She's always strong somewhere, if she isn't for a brief period, Riot ensures she is.

A bit more than that. Bruiser Nid was killed in 4.17 and jungle Nid came into existence in 5.2. There were seven (maybe) patches there, which amounts to a bit more than three months of being out of the meta.

It's not the biggest gap a champion has ever had between stints in the meta, no, but it did happen. There are other champs I'd complain about more regarding being a constant meta presence.

Honestly I think Jungle Nidalee was Riot's attempt to make her relevant without making people rage. Obviously it didn't work out very well, but I imagine they thought her laning phase was the main reason people hated her, so taking her out of a lane might help. But I imagine she'll get nerfed again soon anyway, a lot of people would consider her the best jungler in the game and considering you know, the endless bile that gets thrown in her direction, they're not just going to ignore her.

Whether they nerf her into irrelevancy or not, who knows. Their initial Jungle Nid nerfs were pretty tame.

Narasimha4 votes

She's always strong somewhere, if she isn't for a brief period, Riot ensures she is.

Just to jump in, you're a SLIGHT bit off. It'd be more accurate to say "She's always decent somewhere." Because what she is is another jack-of-all trades. And contrary to what people like to think, there was NEVER a period where she absolutely dominated any lane. She went top lane, but she wasn't tanky enough to fight against the bruisers that popped up. She went mid lane, and basically became a spearbot, because she couldn't farm, and assassins like Zed, Fizz, or Akali were preferable for getting kills. She went top again... and she ran into the same problem. Then she moved into the jungle, and she did decently. Decently being the key word. Her clear speed isn't amazing, and without cc her ganks are ultra reliant on her laner.

tl;dr Nidalee is a champion people like to hate on, like Riven or Zed.

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

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Just to jump in, you're a SLIGHT bit off. It'd be more accurate to say "She's always decent somewhere." Because what she is is another jack-of-all trades. And contrary to what people like to think, there was NEVER a period where she absolutely dominated any lane. She went top lane, but she wasn't tanky enough to fight against the bruisers that popped up. She went mid lane, and basically became a spearbot, because she couldn't farm, and assassins like Zed, Fizz, or Akali were preferable for getting kills. She went top again... and she ran into the same problem. Then she moved into the jungle, and she did decently. Decently being the key word. Her clear speed isn't amazing, and without cc her ganks are ultra reliant on her laner.

tl;dr Nidalee is a champion people like to hate on, like Riven or Zed.

Yes, because winning against literally every single matchup and being even with some other than a small handful is not "dominating" that role? She has been winning against champions Riot claims destroy her.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee

I'm not going to consider winning 55% of the time, while doing well even with those new to her to be just "decent".

Narasimha1 votes

And this is Nidalee's fault...? Literally nothing about her changed. The only thing that impacted her? Runeglaive. Controversy on that aside, that's the sole reason she moved up. If/when that gets affected, she'll drop right back down.

Also

winning against literally every single matchup

If you're having trouble with her, try Darius, Pantheon, Jayce, or Fiora for top lane. For mid lane, theres Heim, Kass, Malz, or even Mordekaiser. As for jungling, just ward out and watch your lane opponent's moves.

Remember, playing smart is infinitly better than playing hard.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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And this is Nidalee's fault...? Literally nothing about her changed. The only thing that impacted her? Runeglaive. Controversy on that aside, that's the sole reason she moved up. If/when that gets affected, she'll drop right back down.

Also

If you're having trouble with her, try Darius, Pantheon, Jayce, or Fiora for top lane. For mid lane, theres Heim, Kass, Malz, or even Mordekaiser. As for jungling, just ward out and watch your lane opponent's moves.

Remember, playing smart is infinitly better than playing hard.

Uh, what? She got changed multiple times, buffs and nerfs and was dominating the jungle this entire time, it had nothing to do with Runeglaive. At least pay attention to patch notes and such when discussing something, otherwise there's no point in it if you don't even know what you're even talking about.

Narasimha2 votes

Look at when her winrate began to rise. Look at when her last buff was. Look at when Runeglaive was released.

Are you sure I'M the one who needs to take a second look? Because if you honestly think she was 'dominating' the jungle during the League of Cinderhulk then... I don't think anyone can help you.

Varalessia3 votes

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nidalee is the only champion besides ryze that riot ALWAYS wants viable. no nerfs to them ever. atleast, no nerfs significant enough to make them unviable.

i see your point but lets not forget the reason that they didnt wanna nerf LeeSin

it was literally "but muh lc$ 420 ganga plays"

YOU BEEN WARNED3 votes

You all are probably going to flip out on me for having this unpopular opinion, but really Riot keeps most champions with a skillshot + mobility strong/OP because that's their gay vision of the game's future.

Ahri Zed Fizz JarvanIV Leblanc Gnar Jayce Riven Thresh

It's like being mobile is a disadvantage you must be compensated for or something.

Scazie6 votes

[{quoted}](name=YOU BEEN WARNED,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c0uaEbx,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2015-07-19T14:53:31.105+0000)

You all are probably going to flip out on me for having this unpopular opinion, but really Riot keeps most champions with a skillshot + mobility strong/OP because that's their gay vision of the game's future.

Ahri Zed Fizz JarvanIV Leblanc Gnar Jayce Riven Thresh

It's like being mobile is a disadvantage you must be compensated for or something.

And then you remember that they nerfed Diana to the ground because they 'don't like that when she's strong, she can kill someone every time they come back to lane' Looks at Fizz. Looks at Leblanc Looks at Riven... Looks at Jayce... I guess Riot didn't like the fact that she had to wait till level six to kill people?

EvilRabbitt5 votes

Don't forget Fiora. Soon as she get her first kill, you can't return to lane without the fear of GOD. ^.^ I should know, I got 4 kills on a Gnar and 3 on a Riven- both games before I hit 6. Made me a happy Duelist ^.^

junglerboy166 votes

Fiora is definitely the most feast or famine champion in the game right now, since when she gets ahead, everyone starts dying, but if she's behind, she's a melee minion.

IKeineGnadeI2 votes

The only problem is that even when she is shut down she can just farm to hell somehow and end up snowballing again some times. Not all the time, but it happens.

What Is Smite2 votes

Most Fiora mains are extremely hard to shut down unless you pour in quite a bit of resources throughout the entire game. As a Fiora main myself, I understand the conditions of how I am going to kill your entire team and I know that if one of my teammates dives a carry without any self-peel most CC abilities will be blown allowing me to go in and 100-10% your team and either finish you off myself or let my team have the kills

TheRakkun4 votes

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fuck nidalee man nidalee is the only champion besides ryze that riot ALWAYS wants viable. no nerfs to them ever. atleast, no nerfs significant enough to make them unviable. fuck nidalee sick of this shit stop being pussies and nerf the bitch

Well Ryze is named after the CEO so no biases there, nope, none whatsoever /sarcasm

junglerboy162 votes

Well that isn't true of Tryndamere, who's also a higher up at Riot HQ and hasn't been a good pick in ages.

TheRakkun5 votes

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Well that isn't true of Tryndamere, who's also a higher up at Riot HQ and hasn't been a good pick in ages.

Good pick in LCS? Maybe not. Good pick in solo queue? Absolutely.

stealthfox943 votes

Huh? Ryze gets nerfed all the time.

Mega Noob18 votes

Nidalee broken jungler? HA HA HA HA Kayleitem 3931 HA HA HA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTzrmRh7hBs 1 vs 5 gg easy

Sir Yamazuki16 votes

Riot: We don't need to nerf Nidalee now that tanks are being picked, they'll easily put her in her place! -Nidalee proceeds to win over 50% of the time against all tanks but one of them- Sure Riot, thanks.

ChoGathsSon15 votes

Thanks man, means a lot. She killed my father. I've been waiting for the occasion to confront her.

Hello, my name is Bro'Gath, you killed my father; prepare to die.

HateDaddy14 votes

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Thanks man, means a lot. She killed my father. I've been waiting for the occasion to confront her.

Hello, my name is Bro'Gath, you killed my father; prepare to die.

PhantomGG15 votes

Guide in how to beat nidalee in song.

Slide to the left, Slide to the right, CRISS CROSS!

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

Every 5 seconds. Without fail. For the entire game.

1 mistake = death.

Syvenon2 votes

This was so much worse with old AP Nid. Like you could dodge 30 spears but then one finally hits you and does 1500 damage. At least now she has to follow up on it to kill you.

MohawkBird13 votes

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I am Ah Pukuh3 votes

She doesn't have a global, but her javelin toss > pounce combo is close enough most of the time....

Matezoide7 votes

Fuck Nidalee

S2C2Xd9KOy6 votes

You really think Nidalee is an issue lol

Xsoteric Ronin 4 votes

Because riot is SUPPOSED to make some champs unviable just for the fun of it?

TheRakkun3 votes

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Because riot is SUPPOSED to make some champs unviable just for the fun of it?

If a champion can't be balanced and is always either trash or broken and unfun to play against there exists something called a rework.

Dark Trennow6 votes

Yorick

Ariel the Cruel6 votes

Poppy pre-pre-rework Soraka.

Both of which, Riot specifically stated would be nerfed into the ground if they every saw pro play.

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Frikgeek12 votes

Nice try Riven main.

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Frikgeek8 votes

53% global winrate, so trash. If you can't exploit Riven for freelo then you're probably just bad at this game.

Tannhäuser Gate4 votes

You think they would be smart enough to use a smurf that does not have riven in their name

WalkingInACircle4 votes

No, I would not expect that of a Riven main.

Tannhäuser Gate3 votes

maybe they got brain damage from mashing their face on their keyboards too much without wearing a face guard

Anidan2 votes

53% isn't freelo. Just gonna point that out. Something like S2 Ezreal with 60% win-rate, or Pre-Season 3 Talon with 60% win-rate (who currently sports a 54% win-rate) or pre-season 5 Warwick with 60% winrate (who, hey still has 54.56% win rate), THOSE were freelo.

53% is just above average and not that crazy. Elise is literally the opposite but almost no one says you're outright damning your team just by picking her, nor are you giving your team an inherent advantage by picking Riven. If I pick a champion with 47% win-rate, am I giving the enemy free wins now?

Come on guys, be a little less biased. This shit is like watching a single Christian show up on a forum that touts itself on 'logic' then proceeds to bash the guy/girl for absolutely nothing, saying they shouldn't even have the right to vote, for example. Riven mains are just playing a champion they enjoy. I fucking HATE Nasus, but I don't go around the boards proclaiming my hatred for people that play him, or request his deletion, or request he be disabled.

You guys are honestly giving the League community an even worse name (yes, it is indeed possible) by making yourselves this openly hostile to someone who plays a champion they enjoy. Why would I want to play a champion that would vilify me just for liking that champion? Is there some list of champions somewhere published that I can read so I can play the Board-Approved League of Legends Champions? It seems that only Vel'koz would be on that list. I guarantee that if you have a main (y'know, like all those Riven games you have) they're just as horrible to someone else. So, with that out of the way: I play Fizz, and I don't play Riven. So don't think I'm some Riven main trying to white knight her.

That said, the Riven player shouldn't be asking for buffs until something is done about animation cancelling, and that's if Riven even needs buffs after that.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

she was picked in the LCS one game and carried the game fairly decisively.

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AMYS GRAVE2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c0uaEbx,comment-id=000c00020000,timestamp=2015-07-19T23:41:34.102+0000)

Its not like fnc gave her all the gold and camped her lane!!1!

Yeah, they funneled gold onto a snowballing champion, because they knew that once riven got slightly ahead she would be impossible to stop. Kinda my point.

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General Murica2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c0uaEbx,comment-id=000c0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-20T01:41:32.326+0000)

No, thats because they didn't want her to be useless. Shes not a threat when she's not ahead.

./yawn

TurtleMan8782 votes

The only thing they did to make jungle nidalee "viable" is a a short root on her human form q and w. I in no way would say that is big enough to make the difference between he r being a viable jungler or not. She was always good in the jungle people just didn't relies it.

Lord Dusteon4 votes

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The only thing they did to make jungle nidalee "viable" is a a short root on her human form q and w. I in no way would say that is big enough to make the difference between he r being a viable jungler or not. She was always good in the jungle people just didn't relies it.

They also made the Hunted debuff apply to monsters, which was a huge buff to jungle Nidalee (actual empowered skils!).

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