They are champs balanced around mana gates that were considered to be used partially for wave management/csing, but as support they get to use all their mana for bullying especially with aoe spells on 2 targets.
Just something to consider.
Also Spelltheif/fang procs hit like a truck int he early game maybe the dmg should scale with level, in addition to removing all of it's mana gen.
Im not biased, I main Apc Supps.
DarkLordArbitur1 votesSpellthief's passive doesn't do damage. How would it hit like a truck?
Anags1 votesYeah it only gives gold. Now thunder lords if they are running it might hit like a truck I guess lol
DarkLordArbitur1 votesI was wrong. Passive does 10 damage. I can't believe I didn't notice this.
Dominick Destine3 votesDarkLordArbitur1 votesOh wait wtf?! I'm a god damn Sona main, this item is one of my staples for the early game, and I fucking missed that it does 10 extra damage. I WOT M9 INDEED
Emmy Cha0s2 votesYou didn't honestly think SONA was doing damage? She has the lowest bases and scalings of the entire support class. Spellthief is extremely important for countless reasons INCLUDING the artificial damage it brings.
If only the feeding Zilean on my team last night understood this and didn't try to do a damned Season 3 start with Fairy Charm, the enemy bot lane wouldn't have repeatedly escaped with SINGLE-DIGIT HP.
DarkLordArbitur1 votesOk, lemme get this straight.
Sona, with 
, doing 45 more damage with all 3 stacks of the passive than she would normally, chunking an enemy for 1/3 their hp at level 6 with a level 3 Q, running Windspeaker's and AP runes, with no penetration, has the lowest bases and scaling...?
Either you have never played Sona, or you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Either way, you are so wrong about how much damage Sona deals on her own that I had to stop to try to figure out if you were trolling or stupid.
Emmy Cha0s1 votesSona is one of only 4 supports that have only 1 damage spell, 2 of those being tanks. At 40 base damage, Hymn is literally the weakest damage spell of the ENTIRE support class. At 50 base AD, her basic attacks are tied with Soraka for weakest support AAs. Power Chord AND Staccato specifically have been nerfed at least a half dozen times together. All the meanwhile sporting the worst AP scalings of all mage supports.
I was a Sona main long before you started playing League. You need to go look at her numbers immediately, because the only troll here is you each time you lock in Sona and ask your teammates to report you for intentional feeding/assisting the enemy. I'm more educated about Sona, math and Sona-math than you ever will be.
DarkLordArbitur1 votesExcept I had damn near a 70% winrate on her last season, so trying to build your entire argument on the idea that I'm not at least passable enough on her to hold my own and understand how she works is folly.
Also, her ultimate ability does damage, and hymn only has 40 base at lvl 1. She does plenty of damage on her own. You just want to try drive home a point that has no wheels.
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They are champs balanced around mana gates that were considered to be used partially for wave management/csing, but as support they get to use all their mana for bullying especially with aoe spells on 2 targets.
Just something to consider.
Also Spelltheif/fang procs hit like a truck int he early game maybe the dmg should scale with level, in addition to removing all of it's mana gen.
Im not biased, I main Apc Supps.
That doesn't seem to be true as "supports" are also able to use all their mana for bullying and mid mages are gated by mana early so they don't use such a substantial amount of resources on the wave but interact with it normally (the ones who are decent anyway) and it is after the acquire levels and mana items that they are able to use those resources freely to that extent.
Damage supports/mage supports are popular in solo queue for many reasons like players not knowing how to respond to aggression, not wanting to be as dependent on teammates and "$&*% you I wanted mid".
Spellthief's passive doesn't do damage. How would it hit like a truck?
Yeah it only gives gold. Now thunder lords if they are running it might hit like a truck I guess lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg Why does nobody even read their items?
NGNL Asian1 votesI mean the meta adc is mainly utilities or something that can stay alive and do damage(which is not llikely unless you're ez cause iceborn is key for blue ez). With utility adcs, they mainly rely on ability cds to do damage so their aas dont do much, so whose going to cover that part of the damage? That's right , it's the "supports" or mage supports
