Can we buff Fiora's passive?

DropFill·Mar 30, 2015·3 votes·947 views

Seriously, her passive regen is pathetic

22 Comments

usul1202Mar 30, 20153 votes

Please no. Its already ridiculous versus champs who rely more on slow trading than all ins. Laning against her as anything but a tank or all-in champ is incredibly painful because of that passive, because you can't poke her down over a few minutes. it may not be good in a team fight or all in, but it sure is effective over a lot of small trades.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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Please no. Its already ridiculous versus champs who rely more on slow trading than all ins. Laning against her as anything but a tank or all-in champ is incredibly painful because of that passive, because you can't poke her down over a few minutes. it may not be good in a team fight or all in, but it sure is effective over a lot of small trades.

Ofc you can poke her down wtf. Small trades? Fiora either all in or doesn't. If you are having "small" trades with fiora you are doing something wrong,

usul1202Mar 31, 20151 votes

Yes, but humor her opponent for a moment. she's not always laning against herself. her passive destroys any opponent that isn't all in-ing her. and as 'the grand duelist' she wins most 1v1's, and even 2v1's with her ult. if you increase her passive then poke champions will auto-lose lane, instead of just having a hard time like they do now.

67chromeMar 31, 20152 votes

Yes, but humor her opponent for a moment. she's not always laning against herself. her passive destroys any opponent that isn't all in-ing her. and as 'the grand duelist' she wins most 1v1's, and even 2v1's with her ult. if you increase her passive then poke champions will auto-lose lane, instead of just having a hard time like they do now.

That arguement would probably hold more weight if:

HP/5, healing, and/or life steal wasn't in part of every fighter's kit ever, mostly in their passives. Aatrox Garen Chogath Alistar Gangplank Kayle Maokai Tryndamere Warwick Volibear Rengar Nasus Olaf Nunu Renekton Shen

All of these champions have health sustain somewhere in their kit. And that's hardly all of them, just ones I rememberd off the top of my head.

It's almost as if Riot figured health regeneration was the best way to take melee champions through the lanning phase.

And 7+your level HP restored over 6 seconds (which you can only stack 4 times against another champion?)

How does that even come close to other melee champions? Riven's manaless HP shield lets her deal with poke better, and she has no regen in her kit and the worst HP/5 in bases.

Also - Fiora's passive is 4 times more effective when going all-in than it is vs. poke. If you're just chucking Cleavers at Fiora until she passes out, you only have to deal with 7+Fiora's level HP restored over 6 seconds.

Even at level 18, that's the equivalent of past-seasons 20 HP/5, which you could find on essentially every MR item.

At level 6 - Fiora's passive offers a whole 2.17 HP per second. A typical rank-3 Q is going to do more than 120 damage through bases at rank 3, and most ranked-first of those have sub-10 second cooldowns.

Not seeing this poke invalidation.

So - destroys opponents that aren't her? No, most melee have better sustain. And shrugs off poke? Again, most melee champions deal with that Even Better.

usul1202Mar 31, 20151 votes

With the exception of volibear, all of them rely on doing damage in order to get their healing, which makes them easier to trade against, and volibear has a decent CD on his. I'm not saying it's oppressive now. What i'm saying is that if you buffed it more, it would become extremely painful to lane against her because of passive healing that wouldn't require last hitting or mana, simply staying in lane.

67chromeMar 31, 20153 votes

What passive?

She has a passive?

IcyPepperMar 31, 20153 votes

I'm sorry, but Fiora's power budget is pretty much dried up. Her ult has great burst, her Q (if used correctly with an aa combo) allows great trades early game, and her W gives a massive AD spike at level 1 and makes early trades even more effective. As a top laner, her E allows insane split-pushing, forcing the enemy team to be wary and treat her like a threat even if she's behind.

Her passive is shit, because something in her kit needs to be shit. If Rito buffed it, they'd probably take some of the bonus AD out of her W to compensate.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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I'm sorry, but Fiora's power budget is pretty much dried up. Her ult has great burst, her Q (if used correctly with an aa combo) allows great trades early game, and her W gives a massive AD spike at level 1 and makes early trades even more effective. As a top laner, her E allows insane split-pushing, forcing the enemy team to be wary and treat her like a threat even if she's behind.

Her passive is shit, because something in her kit needs to be shit. If Rito buffed it, they'd probably take some of the bonus AD out of her W to compensate.

Her Q damage early game is pretty bad. People don't understand most of fiora's early damages comes only for AA. And for that, tryndamere or jax is way better.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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I'm sorry, but Fiora's power budget is pretty much dried up. Her ult has great burst, her Q (if used correctly with an aa combo) allows great trades early game, and her W gives a massive AD spike at level 1 and makes early trades even more effective. As a top laner, her E allows insane split-pushing, forcing the enemy team to be wary and treat her like a threat even if she's behind.

Her passive is shit, because something in her kit needs to be shit. If Rito buffed it, they'd probably take some of the bonus AD out of her W to compensate.

Zed W gives WAY more ad than fiora's passive. Pretty much all her damage is AA based. So she needs AD more than anyone? Tryndamere also gains more AD with his Q at lower amounts. He also has more sustain and dps.

Only Play DariusMar 31, 20153 votes

No. She doesn't need any sustain, and it's already effective enough at low levels.

Ever seen a full lifesteal Fiora?

item 3074 item 3153 item 3072 item 3031 item 3065 item 3006

Fiora : "For my next trick, I will make MY health bar reappear!"

-- Goes from almost no health to full health instantly, meanwhile you probably died before her ult completed.

IGotScuttleCrabsMar 31, 20151 votes

I reached item 3074 item 3508 item 3031 item 3139 item 3072 item 3265 once and the heals were glorious!

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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I reached once and the heals were glorious!

And good luck killing any competent team without ANY armor pen

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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And good luck killing any competent team without ANY armor pen

Also, why would you buy essence reaver? She has no mana problems lol.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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No. She doesn't need any sustain, and it's already effective enough at low levels.

Ever seen a full lifesteal Fiora?

: "For my next trick, I will make MY health bar reappear!"

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-- Goes from almost no health to full health instantly, meanwhile you probably died before her ult completed.

Since you have no armor pen, you are not going to heal that much because you are not doing much damage in the first place. Second, her passive is not effective at low levels. If you think 7 of health every 6 SECONDS is effective , you are smoking something. Even 28 every 6 seconds ( 4 stacks passive ) is bad . So no, her passive is pretty bad.

AerothalMar 31, 20153 votes

Buff and Fiora should never be used together in a sentence.

Are you mental?!?

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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Buff and Fiora should never be used together in a sentence.

Are you mental?!?

No. I am a fiora main. And can't play her anymore because of how bad she is at high elo. This is my main ( http://br.op.gg/summoner/userName=xx+dragon+xx ) Ninja tabi reduces pretty much all her damage in 10%. Crit on her is bad because it is expensive and you need lifesteal and armor pen early. Fiora is bad, and if you are losing to her, it is because you are bad. She is like darius, good against noobs.

DEmperor95Mar 31, 20152 votes

I would agree if her Q would be changed to do no damage as a compensation.

Just be glad she even has a passive in the first place with a kit like that.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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I would agree if her Q would be changed to do no damage as a compensation.

Just be glad she even has a passive in the first place with a kit like that.

This is not a compensation. You want basically her to be butchered.

PrinceArchieMar 31, 20151 votes

They will most likely rework her and make her passive a much bigger and more interactive passive than it is now rather than buffing it. I do agree though her passive is crap, even in lane I rarely think about it much because it does so little to help me when im not attempting an all in. Even at later stages of the game I feel the passive is just trash.

DropFillMar 31, 20151 votes

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They will most likely rework her and make her passive a much bigger and more interactive passive than it is now rather than buffing it. I do agree though her passive is crap, even in lane I rarely think about it much because it does so little to help me when im not attempting an all in. Even at later stages of the game I feel the passive is just trash.

Her passive is one of the worst in game so far. Why does a duelist has passive health regen?Makes no sense. Riven's passive is more of a duelist than Fiora, the "grande duelist "